Would you still buy from a seller if you were given this answer?

[cactusgirl]

Ah, no, wouldn't buy from a vendor that exhibits little to no knowledge about an international vaper concern relating to eliquid. There are more than enough knowledgeable and dedicated juice vendors to try.

 

[X P3 Flight Engineer]

Obviously a lazy owner, they wouldn't even check with their staff to get the answer. We don't have a lot of info about juice components anyway, but it is nice to know that the person who probably orders the stuff has a basic understanding of what is to be avoided.

Diacetyl is FDA approved. It's fine (and tasty) in food and drink. The problem is when it is heated and inhaled.

 

[Cobber]

OK I think I need a pm on who that was ... i have checked a couple of the vendors I use and only one has it on their site that they do not have any in their juice

 

[1kshooter]

WOW, i would love a pm as well as i would like to side step this train reck as well!

 

[1kshooter]

I'm just throwing this out there, but if the owner replied "nope, no diacetyl here", would you believe them?

I think this goes beyond what is and isn't in a juice. This bottle of mystery Chinese RY4 I'm vaping could be made with reconstituted rabbit pewp with a splash of nicotine from steeped cigarette butts and a melted down caramel chocolate bar in it for flavour. I have no idea, and neither does anyone else. Because there is no control over juice, or more specifically what exactly is in the juice (or the flavourings), we put faith in juice makers that they aren't selling juice containing nasties. Its a risk we all decided to take when starting vaping.

I have my favourite vendors, and I trust that these vendors aren't out to harm me by knowingly selling a product that contains deadly (to the best of our knowledge) chemicals - and I'm ok with that. That's why I continue to buy from these vendors. You'll need to email vendors, ask about their juices, then make your own decision about who you can and can't trust.

funny You should say that...I do agree 100% with you and it only took me 4 days before I was on the DIY band wagon...I have a darn better idea whats in my own juice then a China order ...having said that the vendor I use, well I trust them and if there was a juice I had to have or wanted to try so I could try to break it down and DIY it well then I trust that it would be safe as they could get it!

 

[Bdbodger]

Even DIY can be a gamble . For example the flavour apprentice that I have heard mentioned does not list ingredients on their product . Ejuice is made from food flavouring so there is the assumption that it can be safely used in ejuice . What vendors actually have their ejuice tested and does the test include vaporizing it .

 

[Mindfield]

I think perhaps that's a key point here. The vast majority of vendors are themselves vapers and in all likelihood vape what they carry -- at least some of the time. (Everyone likes variety, and I'm sure even vendors order outside their own menu to get the favourites they discovered before they were vendors.) I find it nigh-on impossible to believe that any of them would sell what they don't trust on some level, at least when it comes to juice. Even so, they take the same risks in buying what they stock that we do in buying what they sell. Vendors that are particularly concerned with safety and quality will generally order samples from suppliers and test them out to the best of their ability (and possibly even grille the suppliers for answers) before deciding whether or not they want to carry the items. I know, for example, that John & Char at Vape Mate spend a lot of time grilling and testing and analyzing everything before they decide to make a big order and stock a product. They're incredibly picky that way because they just want to make sure nothing is going to blow up or make anyone sick. Most of us aren't even that choosy though. We know the risks involved and we also know that 99.99% of the time the stuff we buy is probably fine. (Fine as in safe that is, not necessarily that it lives up to our expectations or standards.)

Granted, a terse response that professed a lack of knowledge isn't really the sort of thing you want to hear from a vendor regarding a common concern about a particular product, especially when it seems to show a certain lack of conscientiousness and knowledge of the sort you'd tend to expect a vendor to have. This isn't necessarily a failing on the part of the vendor though -- go into any variety store and ask the owner if a particular product is made in a plant that also processes nuts and see how they respond -- it's a lack of regulation in the industry. While it behooves vendors at this point to try and find out about the products they carry, it is only so because there are no regulations that place the responsibility of revealing the important ingredients on the shoulders of the makers, and until that happens we can only rely on what the vendors we buy from are able to glean from whatever their sources are willing to reveal, and we have to trust that both the vendor and their sources aren't lying. Such is the state of our industry right now and will remain so until we get some regulation going.

And even then it's no guarantee manufacturers won't try to slip one past the regulators. (Melamine cat food anyone?)