Wow, my friends... it sure looks like we'd better stock up on our Nicotine, while we can...!!!

[Mowgli]

Sounds like the speedshop garage Q&A:

How fast can you make it go?
How much money do you have?

How much is too much Nicotine to stockpile?

How much room do you have?

 

[Exchaner]

Someone on the ECF showed me a great way to reduce my nicotine intake, and I want to share it with those who are interested. I keep two separate cartos, one at my regular strength, and a second one at slightly lower mg. When the cravings are not that great, I vape the lower strength, otherwise I switch to my regular vape. I have thus far gone down gradually to 7.5mg from 12. But I might stay at 7.5 because I do enjoy the buzz I get from Nic.

 

[BlaseWithVicarious]

Well I'm not trying to judge or anything I guess nicotine didn't affect me as hard as it effects others. It just seems like a lot of things get tagged on vaping that makes it want to be taxed like cigarettes or worse banned. Especially those dry herb atomizers and wax bulbs. Those cause bad names. However nicotine might draw attention. I can't use vaping for nic because even the smallest amount makes me cough my brains out but I could smoke a cigarette one after another no problem. Vaping is better than those thousands of chemicals extra in cigarettes so I try to refrain from them totally.


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[BlaseWithVicarious]

Since you were never addicted and quit without effort, why are you vaping at all?
I would hate to see nicotine be banned for public use. There are millions of smokers still out there who could benefit greatly from vaping unless nicotine is totally banned. And yeah I am stockpiling my nicotine because there are too many people already who don't care if it's banned.

Because when I was out of battery one time I had to bum a smoke off a friend first time in like a whole year. I didn't really rely on cigarettes it just eased everything sometimes. So now if I need to pass time I vape constantly untill it's gone. I just didn't have the severe withdraw I've heard about from others. But I wouldn't go back to those cigarettes anytime soon. So I always have at least 4 batteries on hand. For some reason I couldn't ever use nic in vaping. I guess I had reaction so the effects of vape nic pushed me so far than to have dealt with feelings of coming off of cigarettes... Idk I just wonder if anyone else out there has same thing.


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[partyannimal]

I'm not really trying to bash anyone about this or anything as it's my opinions . But isn't vaping supposed to help us quit cigarettes which lock us in due to nicotine. Nicotine seems to me to give vaping a bad name. Can't yall just quit using nicotine? I used to smoke for years till vaping came into light I switched over night because I liked the nice flavors. I smoked because It was anxiety relieve when life got stressful but I was never addicted. I didn't need one everyday like the three packs a day people I see around. I simply quit instantly over two nights. I didn't go through process of starting at 24 mg and go down to zero. Now I get some of you have true addictions but can't we all just quit nicotine. I personally could care less if they ban nicotine public use. But I see some of you rely on it intensely. I thought vaping was supposed to stop that, not just give you an alternative to it..... Again just my thoughts.....


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I believe we all vape for different reasons.


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[partyannimal]

I have an extra freezer in my garage I've been hoarding jars in slowly with each WL order. No worries here.


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[Aheadatime]

However nicotine might draw attention.

Yet the patches, lozenges, gums, sprays, and inhalers are all FDA approved and sold by big pharma. The nicotine isn't the issue here. It's the fact that for once, something is working incredibly well at getting large amounts of people off of cigarettes for good. This hurts the pharma/tobacco companies, as they generally work hand in hand. You smoke, you get sick, you need meds. You try to quit, you buy the replacements, they don't work, you go back to cigarettes. All companies involved make a bunch of money, and you stay addicted and unhealthy. Ecigs break that cycle, and this is why they're dangerous.

 

[MorpheusPA]

However, I believe the taxes suggested on vape stuff is EXCESSIVE, and I do not support it.

Esp. when it goes to pay for Corporate Welfare in many states, esp. those w/out income tax. GRRR

Hear, hear on both posts. Taxes are what we use to buy civilization. Optimally we wouldn't use it to pay for corporate welfare for profit-making industries, of course.

I have no objection to normal sales taxes on vaping gear and, locally, pay it. I don't even object to some extra taxes on liquids assuming that the liquids in question are being taxed to pay for their testing and safety assurance.

Taxing vaping gear and liquids at sin tax rates is ridiculous as they don't cause the same social cost as cigarettes do.

 

[BlaseWithVicarious]

Yet the patches, lozenges, gums, sprays, and inhalers are all FDA approved and sold by big pharma. The nicotine isn't the issue here. It's the fact that for once, something is working incredibly well at getting large amounts of people off of cigarettes for good. This hurts the pharma/tobacco companies, as they generally work hand in hand. You smoke, you get sick, you need meds. You try to quit, you buy the replacements, they don't work, you go back to cigarettes. All companies involved make a bunch of money, and you stay addicted and unhealthy. Ecigs break that cycle, and this is why they're dangerous.

True it's the money they lose...


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[03FXDWG]

No! No more sin taxes. I paid their sin tax on cigarettes all these years and did they ever once pay my insurance premium? Maybe my deductible? What about my co-pay on prescriptions? I pay a sin tax on my modest alcohol consumption too. Illinois was going to add a sin tax to candy--were they going to pay people's dentist bills with that?

Sales taxes I am ok with as long as everyone pays the same tax.

Corporate welfare for profit making industries is exactly where it's going. Health insurance companies are for profit and they were being so overburdened by all of us smokers that they had to start surcharging our premiums by 25% even if we had never been sick a day in our lives. Now, with the ACA, we have to pay the surcharge and pay for every neurotic, lazy, non-productive person in the U.S. It's gone beyond vaping rights in my opinion. The line now is nanny government, too many politicians making money off a job that is supposed to be about public service not public bankrolls and too much corporate influence.

We've got hospitals now that are using nicotine testing to refuse to hire people. That is blatant discrimination and it's against the law but they're getting away with it since it's "policy." Wait a minute. Why nicotine? Why not alcohol? Why not caffeine? How can they single out one substance that's perfectly legal?

Hear, hear on both posts. Taxes are what we use to buy civilization. Optimally we wouldn't use it to pay for corporate welfare for profit-making industries, of course.

I have no objection to normal sales taxes on vaping gear and, locally, pay it. I don't even object to some extra taxes on liquids assuming that the liquids in question are being taxed to pay for their testing and safety assurance.

Taxing vaping gear and liquids at sin tax rates is ridiculous as they don't cause the same social cost as cigarettes do.

 

[Stosh]

No disrespect to the OP, but every time I see one of these threads I figure WL, RTS and MFS put on extra staff and overtime to ship out the extra orders....

Excuse me while I get an order in before it gets busy....

 

[Mitey F]

No! No more sin taxes. I paid their sin tax on cigarettes all these years and did they ever once pay my insurance premium? Maybe my deductible? What about my co-pay on prescriptions? I pay a sin tax on my modest alcohol consumption too. Illinois was going to add a sin tax to candy--were they going to pay people's dentist bills with that?

Sales taxes I am ok with as long as everyone pays the same tax.

Corporate welfare for profit making industries is exactly where it's going. Health insurance companies are for profit and they were being so overburdened by all of us smokers that they had to start surcharging our premiums by 25% even if we had never been sick a day in our lives. Now, with the ACA, we have to pay the surcharge and pay for every neurotic, lazy, non-productive person in the U.S. It's gone beyond vaping rights in my opinion. The line now is nanny government, too many politicians making money off a job that is supposed to be about public service not public bankrolls and too much corporate influence.

We've got hospitals now that are using nicotine testing to refuse to hire people. That is blatant discrimination and it's against the law but they're getting away with it since it's "policy." Wait a minute. Why nicotine? Why not alcohol? Why not caffeine? How can they single out one substance that's perfectly legal?

That's some seriously flawed logic. "I choose to use this detrimental-to-my-health product, and I expect you to pay the bills when it bites me in the ...". The whole point here is that they're taxing a product that is healthier than the alternatives, that is likely to decrease what is spent on healthcare and medical needs down the road. Taxing vaping as compared to cigarettes is like taxing broccoli as compared to candy. You've got something backwards.

 

[Aheadatime]

That's some seriously flawed logic. "I choose to use this detrimental-to-my-health product, and I expect you to pay the bills when it bites me in the ...". The whole point here is that they're taxing a product that is healthier than the alternatives, that is likely to decrease what is spent on healthcare and medical needs down the road. Taxing vaping as compared to cigarettes is like taxing broccoli as compared to candy. You've got something backwards.

I believe you're misunderstanding his/her post. The point is that, in a non-corrupt society, the concept of 'sin tax' is to cover the costs of detriment down the road. So, if I smoke cigarettes and pay a sin tax on them, then theoretically, this money should be used to help cover my health expenses down the road since I'll end up paying more money in sin tax than I'll need for health costs anyway (meaning the state still profits). However, that's not the case here in the states. We get taxed on damn near everything, and our tax money gets used for things we generally don't agree with like war, surveillance expansion, bank bail outs, etc.

I think what FXD was saying is 'look, if you're going to tax me because my unhealthy habit costs money down the road, then use that money for whatever it is that my habit ends up costing, rather than things I have no relation to'.

 

[Mitey F]

I believe you're misunderstanding his/her post. The point is that, in a non-corrupt society, the concept of 'sin tax' is to cover the costs of detriment down the road. So, if I smoke cigarettes and pay a sin tax on them, then theoretically, this money should be used to help cover my health expenses down the road since I'll end up paying more money in sin tax than I'll need for health costs anyway (meaning the state still profits). However, that's not the case here in the states. We get taxed on damn near everything, and our tax money gets used for things we generally don't agree with like war, surveillance expansion, bank bail outs, etc.

I think what FXD was saying is 'look, if you're going to tax me because my unhealthy habit costs money down the road, then use that money for whatever it is that my habit ends up costing, rather than things I have no relation to'.

I don't see it this way at all. In a PERFECT world, this tax money would be put toward caring for the people when their cigarettes/booze/etc catch up with them. In a NEAR PERFECT world, the taxes would be used as a way to keep people from buying these things in the first place. In the REAL world, the government knows people aren't likely to give up their vices, so they tax them to oblivion as an almost sure-fire way to get extra money (to spend as they please), without getting people up in arms over "unjust" taxes.

 

[Jay-dub]

I don't care who you are or why you vape. You can have your own ideas of where you should. You have you're own discretion and I'll respect it. As far as the gov't is concerned - a decade of vape "speakeasy's", black markets, and conscientious objectors rampaging through town hall meetings and politically staged events might be just what they're asking for.

 

[Aheadatime]

I don't see it this way at all. In a PERFECT world, this tax money would be put toward caring for the people when their cigarettes/booze/etc catch up with them. In a NEAR PERFECT world, the taxes would be used as a way to keep people from buying these things in the first place. In the REAL world, the government knows people aren't likely to give up their vices, so they tax them to oblivion as an almost sure-fire way to get extra money (to spend as they please), without getting people up in arms over "unjust" taxes.

That's pretty much what I said lol. I clarified what I thought FXD was saying and it boiled down to "if you're going to tax me because my unhealthy habit costs money down the road, then use that money for whatever it is that my habit ends up costing", which translates directly in your quote when you said "In a PERFECT world, this tax money would be put toward caring for the people when their cigarettes/booze/etc catch up with them." Literally no different.

Looks like you and FXD agree. I agree with you guys to an extent, but in my perfect world, there would be no taxes to begin with. I guess so long as there's taxation going on in the first place, you might as well use it for public interest.

 

[Mitey F]

That's pretty much what I said lol. I clarified what I thought FXD was saying and it boiled down to "if you're going to tax me because my unhealthy habit costs money down the road, then use that money for whatever it is that my habit ends up costing", which translates directly in your quote when you said "In a PERFECT world, this tax money would be put toward caring for the people when their cigarettes/booze/etc catch up with them." Literally no different.

Looks like you and FXD agree. I agree with you guys to an extent, but in my perfect world, there would be no taxes to begin with. I guess so long as there's taxation going on in the first place, you might as well use it for public interest.

Maybe you should clarify a bit... "no taxes" = nothing getting done ;-)

 

[Aheadatime]

Maybe you should clarify a bit... "no taxes" = nothing getting done ;-)

Sorry, I meant to say income tax. From 1776 to 1913 we did fine without them. That's 137 years. More time without than with.

 

[ForeverDiving]

Living in a country where politicians are even more stupid and corrupt than the norm, I've begun turning my own mods and stockpilig liqid nicotine (100mg/ml), although I'm vaping 0 nic presently. Better safe than sorry. In any case, I don't tolerate concentrations over 6mg/ml.

I have enough pipe tobacco to last me a lifetime of heath extracts but also have turned out some wonderful tea extracts (Moroccan Mint, Cacao-Mint, Mandarin Spice Oolong, Rooibos, Maté Orange, Orange peel extract... just to name a few). However I have about 2 kg of Black Cavendish, Danish Mixture and Balkans that if I don't eventually smoke them, should be enough for some 30 or 40 liters of NET.

Since VG and PG are readily available and I can smuggle an RBA anytime in my pocket, I'm not worried.