WTA and nic juice/vaping questions

[MollieA]

I've been trying to read up on all the comments and threads about WTA- and they've been very interesting and instructive. I am still awaiting my WTA (the first shipment got lost in the mail, ugh). Anway, my question to users of WTA is: Do you feel that the satisfaction you get from WTA is similar to what you used to get in analogs? What components were lacking in plain nic juice that you get from vaping WTA?

The reason I'm asking these questions is because my ultimate goal is to not vape- to get away from tobacco. Would I be doing myself a disservice by going with something that is more similar to analogs and continuing with my addiction? I still struggle with weaning from analogs- it's primarily a psychological one. I do enjoy vaping, especially with the variety of flavours that I like. But the desire for analogs is still there. I figure it's worth trying WTA to see if that will help me get over those cravings, but am I replacing one addiction for another?

Have any of the long-time vapers thought of giving up vaping completely sometime down the road? That in vaping, it is used as a tool/aid to leave nicotine and nicotine products in one's past once and for all? That is my personal goal- to use vaping as a way to escape the clutches of analogs, and that at some point, I hope to be free of nicotine from my life once and for all. Do you think this is daft or unrealistic?

 

[Jim Bob]

I am hoping to be totally off nicotine within 6 months, so no I don't see it as unrealistic at all.

 

[swedishfish]

I've never used WTA but it's seems to me if it's what you need to get completely off cigs, it's a big plus.

If you have that goal in mind, I'm sure you can do it. I've read here about people that just use the WTA juice occasionally when they really need it. And you can probably gradually lower your nicotine levels.

This is my mothers goal as well. Every time I order her favorite juice for her, I order the one she's currently vaping and one slightly lower and very gradually reduce the nic level. She said she noticed it too much when I went a step down immediately (say for example from 18 to 12) plus she was going through more juice that way.

Maybe keep the WTA juice for those times when you really need it.

Like Jim Bob mentioned, I've heard it's good to set goals.

Good luck!

 

[Stubby]

It's a deceptively complicated question and there is no straight forward answer. One of the issues is that people have different reactions to WTA. For some there is little to no reaction, for others it has a big effect.

Overall there is the potential of be more addictive then straight nicotine. The minor alkaloids can have a significant effect for some. The big issue though is harm reduction. If it helps people get off of cigarettes, and WTA certainly can be a big help, then its done its job. As far as tobacco harm reduction goes quitting all tobacco/nicotine is very much secondary compared to getting off cigarettes. As far as public health goes that takes care of 99% of the problem. Wether you want to quit all tobacco/nicotine is a personal choice and is something you'e going to have to work out on your own.

If you are still struggling staying off the cigarettes then that has to be your major concern. If you are still smoking and regular e-liquid is not quite cutting it then that has to come first. Worry about the rest at a later date.

 

[milo hobo]

Complex question. So let's look at makes nicotine addictive. Nicotine is by itself habit forming. This is by itself comparible to caffein in addictive potential. Then you add carbon monoxide, MAOI's, and the other minor alkaloids in burning tobacco that all increase that addictive potential. They do this by decreaseing the threshold for excitation, making it easier to get the "kick" of nicotine. I say all of this to make this point. If you plan to be nicotine free one day, I do not beleive that WTA is the way forward.

So, if you want to be nic-free, instead I would suggest this. Keep vaping for as long as you need to so that analogs have no appeal. This is harm reduction, making sure that if you relapse, it is to something that is less harmful. Next you set a date and get the nicotine patch and zero nic juice. On your quit date, use only nic-free juice and wear the nicotine patch. This will satify the nicotine cravings as well as the hand to mouth habit WHILE breaking the association of the two (this means you are not getting anymore nicotine by putting your pv to your mouth, but you are not going without your nicotine either). Then just follow the nicotine patch procedure, stepping down as instructed.

If you relapse, you relapse back to e-cigs rather than analogs, but then you get back on the horse and try again.

 

[CCC]

I would use the WTA to get off the ciggs, then in a month or 2 ditch the WTA and vape normal juice, each month drop the nic content by 2mg till you reach 0. Goodluck.

 

[Sdh]

I have used WTA for a few months. I have been vaping for 17 months now. I don't feel addicted to the WTA. As a matter of fact, I am stopping my usage of WTA. If I find myself in a panic moment I will hit the snus or an extra Mucuna tablet to hit my dopamine receptors. I don't plan on quitting nicotine since I need it for depression and mild ADD symptoms. Good luck on your goals.

 

[MikeE3]

I've been using WTA for a couple months. For me it is not the same as smoking an analog BUT, it did and does cut my craving for an analog. I was still smoking from 4 to 6 analogs a day until I started using WTA (18mg nic). The same day I got my first WTA is the last day I had an analog. I've only been off analogs for 3 months and the old triggers sometimes fire and I get the overwhelming feeling I want an analog. A few minutes vaping some WTA nicquid and the feeling passes. E-cigs took me from 2+ PPD (40+ year smoker) to less than 6 per day and WTA got me analog free.

Some good info was given in the previous posts. I totally agree, that do what it takes to get off the analogs. If e-cigs w/ nic alone does it great, but if you're still struggling then try the WTA. ( JMHO )

 

[MollieA]

I've been using WTA for a couple months. For me it is not the same as smoking an analog BUT, it did and does cut my craving for an analog. I was still smoking from 4 to 6 analogs a day until I started using WTA (18mg nic). The same day I got my first WTA is the last day I had an analog. I've only been off analogs for 3 months and the old triggers sometimes fire and I get the overwhelming feeling I want an analog. A few minutes vaping some WTA nicquid and the feeling passes. E-cigs took me from 2+ PPD (40+ year smoker) to less than 6 per day and WTA got me analog free.

Some good info was given in the previous posts. I totally agree, that do what it takes to get off the analogs. If e-cigs w/ nic alone does it great, but if you're still struggling then try the WTA. ( JMHO )

Sounds like I'm in a similar situation as you-- I still have a few analogs, but steadily increase my vaping- but it just doesn't cut it to stave off those cravings, especially if I'm stressed or in pain. I hope that I have the same results as you with the WTA.

I think it's a mental game in terms of quitting the analogs completely for me. I need to really focus on ridding myself of triggers and old habits and the notion that analogs are my security blanket. I think that is my biggest struggle. I'm hoping that the WTA will help me- if not, then I won't give up. I'll continue to struggle and reach my ultimate goal- to be free of nicotine in my life for good.

Thanks for sharing. Thanks to everyone for your advice!

 

[MikeE3]

Sounds like I'm in a similar situation as you-- I still have a few analogs, but steadily increase my vaping- but it just doesn't cut it to stave off those cravings, especially if I'm stressed or in pain. I hope that I have the same results as you with the WTA.

I think it's a mental game in terms of quitting the analogs completely for me. I need to really focus on ridding myself of triggers and old habits and the notion that analogs are my security blanket. I think that is my biggest struggle. I'm hoping that the WTA will help me- if not, then I won't give up. I'll continue to struggle and reach my ultimate goal- to be free of nicotine in my life for good.

Thanks for sharing. Thanks to everyone for your advice!

Good luck to ya! By the way - it worked for my wife too. She went analog free the day she took her first 'vape'. Her urge for an analog wasn't as difficult to curb as mine but she still did occasionally have the 'desire' for one. When WTA came into the house she tried it when the urge struck and it did the trick for her. She described it as feeling more 'complete' or 'satisfied' after vaping some WTA.

best regards

 

[MollieA]

Got my WTA yesterday afternoon and started vaping it. It didn't "feel" any different to me initially. Then later that night I realised I didn't have a craving to either vape or smoke. So, I guess there is something to it. Also, it makes me sleepy, LOL. Weird side reaction I guess... but the jury is still out for me. I'm going to keep doing the WTA. I actually vaped the WTA upon waking instead of reaching for an analog this morning and didn't feel panicked at all, which is a big step actually.

At the time of vaping the WTA, I don't feel a difference-- only after a short vape session do I feel really relaxed. Maybe it's in my head- but we'll see how things go as I continue using the stuff. I've been anticipating the WTA for so long that I don't want to muddle my judgement concerning it's efficacy quite yet.

 

[Stubby]

It might be easier for smokers to start using WTA then vapors. The reason is you can use WTA much the same as cigarettes in that you can use about 3 drops and put it down just as we used to smoke a cigarette and be done with it. It could be an easy transition for smokers as it can be used much the same way. It doesn't work for chain vaping. If you do to much you could definitely get sleepy. Just back off a bit on the WTA.

Its kind of sneaky stuff as it can catch up with you. It takes a bit to get used to it. It doesn't have the immediate hit as with a cigarette but its potent stuff for those that are sensitive to the minor alkaloids.

 

[MollieA]

Okay... thanks for the advice. That explains why I dozed off in the middle of the afternoon on Sunday, LOL. I couldn't figure out why I was so dang sleepy. Will use the WTA for the craving moments and do regular juice for normal vaping.

What is it about WTA that makes one sleepy??? I must be sensitive to the alkaloids, LOL.

 

[Stubby]

Okay... thanks for the advice. That explains why I dozed off in the middle of the afternoon on Sunday, LOL. I couldn't figure out why I was so dang sleepy. Will use the WTA for the craving moments and do regular juice for normal vaping.

What is it about WTA that makes one sleepy??? I must be sensitive to the alkaloids, LOL.

It's a good question and I don't know the answer. WTA in e-liquid is a new thing so it just hasn't been around long enough, or have a big enough user base to have all the details of reactions worked out. Besides that because of the nature of the beast different people are going to have different reactions.

I have been using snus for over 2 1/2 years and my use of snus is very different from when I smoked. I smoked about a pack a day, yet I can get by just fine with 5 or 6 portions of regular strength snus, and have done as little as 4 with no problems. By all rights I should be doing a dozen or so portions. It seems I do well with the steady stream of nicotine/minor alkaloids from snus very well rather then the roller coaster ride of big ups and downs from cigarettes. If I did do more snus it stated having a negative effect in that I get lethargic and a bit foggy brained. Is it the minor alkaloids in snus, or the nicotine? Donno, but it is what it is.

It will likely take some time to figure out what works and what doesn't with WTA.

 

[MollieA]

I must be very sensitive to it. I took only a few puffs after lunch and after about an hour, felt extremely sleepy to the point where I had actually dozed off. Thank goodness I'm retired, LOL. I'm going to have to only keep the WTA vaping for evenings as a nightcap, LOL. I'm a bit bummed that it's making me so darn sleepy even with a few tokes. I was hoping it would be the "missing link" in helping me to overcome my cravings for analogs. Guess it's back to nic juice for me- with a higher nic level... only do the WTA at night.