WTA Liquid Ordered..

[vaptamist]

Received some 24 mg nic, x-high WTA "Oakwood Tobacco" today. Tried it as soon as I got home - the flavor was really... good. As far as tobaccos are concerned - this is definitely up there. Most tobacco's I've tried have fallen into one of these categories:

Peppery
Dry/Powdery
Perfumey
Chemical Flavor

This is one of the first I've tried that isn't sweet at all, but doesn't have a powdery taste to it. It has a very strong oak flavor with no sweetness, but none of the above flavors or qualities either. I really like it. Very good throat hit. I don't see this as a flavor I want to vape all day long, but I'm really impressed with the quality.

I didn't really notice a difference as far as satisfaction goes... Until I realized that I had vaped plenty on the way home, and had some Snus within the last hour. I waited about 3 hours with no vaping, no other forms of tobacco, and it really provided a satisfaction that I haven't felt since my last analog.

Placebo effect? I can't rule it out - but it did seem to immediately relax me the same way snus does, while also providing the rest of the "smoking" experience, which is what snus is missing (inhaling, hand to mouth activity, etc). I'll spend some more time with it and see how it goes. I do have 3 other flavors arriving any day now (I originally chose "electronic cigarette", "RY4 - tobacco" and "pear", but picked the oakwood up off the classifieds). If they're anything quality-wise like this oakwood, I think I'll like them even more. Aside from the WTA, this seems like really good eliquid, and I'm impressed on the flavor alone.

A little more background - I've been in kind of a rough spot with vaping over the past few weeks. It hasn't been as satisfying, and nothing has tasted good. So much so the only thing I can really vape a lot of is plain VG with high nic with some ethyl maltol (like ecopure, bwb malty, etc). Everything else just hasn't tasted good to me (part of this I think is because my sense of taste has come back STRONG). So for me to actually like the flavor of something is a feat in itself.

 

[MollieA]

Just ordered some Mandarin flavoured WTA from Ethan. He said he'd mix up a batch for me. Going to give this a try and see how well it tastes and works. I want to experience this for myself to see how different it will be compared to "regular" nic juice.

 

[madsen6466]

bwaaaa - just ordered the maui blend, raspberry lemon, and the honey flue cured from Ethan at Vapelicious. Hopefully they'll arrive the end of next week.

I can't comment yet on the flavors or the WTA yet - but I must say that Ethan's customer service is absolutely on point. He even emailed me back to let me know that the raspberry lemon was a new flavor, and best vaped fresh. He said that the raspberry tends to become overpowering if left to sit for a couple of weeks. Somebody cares about their juices and their customers happiness.

A+

 

[MikenGA]

Mike, this sounds similar to a VA-Tester I tried. ...

The sweetness you're tasting, let me ask you this: does it remind you of the smell of a freshly-opened pack of analogs any [that sweet-smelling almost hint-of-rasiny scent]?

Hi Brob...,

Sorry for the delay. I came down with a severe cold (or light flu?) last Sunday and my 'smeller/taster' is totally out of whack right now, but when all is back to normal, I'll check it out and get back to you.

 

[CharlieGirl]

I don't want to sound too simplistic here, but I've had the privilege of trying many different kinds of PV's in all different categories, and though I too would love to be able to afford a high end model, especially with VV, what it boils down to in the end (no matter what you prefer)is a battery, something to contain and vaporize your fluid, and fluid. Now granted the 150MAh battery on that cheezy PV you picked up for 10 bucks at the convenience mart is NOT going to be anything at all like your friends super duper VV mod with all the bells and whistles, but a decent 650MAh battery with a big fat DC LR cartomizer and some yummy juice (preferably with at least some VG in the mix) is going to provide billowing clouds of tasty vapor to satisfy almost everyone! I know some people will swear only their elite (read expensive) set-up is the only way to go, and honestly, if you can afford it, great! But to imply that nothing short of __________ will do for "true" vaping pleasure is elitist. In fact, I'm kind of suspicious that "kicking it up a notch" may not be a great idea anyway because higher temps seem to create more undesirable effects. I can't prove it, just a hunch. Sitting here puffing away on my ego type pass-through with some of my decent DIY juice (trying to be modest, it's awesome!) in a nice dual coil low resistance cartomizer is absolutely comparable to anything I've tried, within reason. It is all subjective anyway. I did also set off on a quest for that ideal PV set up that would make me a non smoker... I couldn't afford to buy it so I went all over to try it. Sadly, I never did find it and probably will not! I am still craving more than nicotine and there is not a PV out there that will help me with that. Snus do (but hate the salty taste) WTA might...just haven't gotten any yet. Higher nic liquids are a bit better, but I do overdose and get symptoms before I get the satisfaction!!! Right now I am thinking WTA's are the way to nirvana, eventually, but more work needs to be done. In the meantime though, I will continue to enjoy my trusty battery/cartomizer/juice as much as I can, and save the money...instead of for a "better set-up" ...for the day they come out with a juice with all tobacco's alkaloids in it, the way nature grew it. I'm no scientist but it just stands to reason that IF you feel something is missing in e-cigs that was in cigarettes, (I KNOW not everyone does) it is absolutely the natural synergistic combined effects of the alkaloids in tobacco, not the unnatural isolation of nicotine only. Why do so many worry about "adding these alkaloids" back to e-fluids, like a pollutant, rather than simply NOT TAKING THEM OUT of the natural alkaloid "soup" that is there to start? Someone arbitrarily decided that it was only nicotine we needed and that is not true, or at least not true for all of us. That the snus work for us pretty much says it all. Please, IF you are happy with what you are vaping, GREAT!!! ENJOY!!! But IF NOT, your search may not be for a higher powered PV, but for a complete "higher powered" fluid for your PV!!! Sorry for the rant! PS...By the way, if anyone HAS tried the WTA liquids, which do you prefer and why? Money is tight but I REALLY NEED TO TRY THESE, just can't afford to waste it! Whose is the bestest? lol

 

[Sdh]

Charliegirl: great post. I agree. I recently purchased a VV box mod that was cheap in price but high on quality. Okay back to WTA.
I have been vaping since July 2010. I just never was completely happy with chain vaping all day. I never chain smoked so I thought "Why am I chain vaping?".

I researched WTA and gave Ethan at Vapelicious a try. I really like tobacco flavors. I have tried Oakwood, Oakwood with Apple, Tobacco Apricot, electric cigarette and a tester.

My favorites are: Oakwood and Tobacco Apricot. I could never duplicate these recipes in my diy regime. I have found I really enjoy the WTA effect. I vape high but was able to lower my nic down to 30mg with the wta.

 

[rogue44status]

what is wta? amd wahts it do?

 

[MaxUT]

WTA stands for Whole Tobacco Alkaloids. It is a liquid which is extracted from tobacco and contains not only nicotine but other alkaloids which are commonly present in the tobacco plant. Some of these other alkaloids have psychoactive properties and are known to have anti-depressant effects. To many smokers, they are extremely habituating, probably much more so than nicotine alone... you're likely to miss them when they're gone.

The WTA liquid is used in making E-juice in order to supply the other alkaloids from tobacco, for vapers who remain unsatisfied when using nicotine-only juice and so still have cravings.

To absent friends...

 

[MikeE3]

WTA stands for Whole Tobacco Alkaloids. It is a liquid which is extracted from tobacco and contains not only nicotine but other alkaloids which are commonly present in the tobacco plant. Some of these other alkaloids have psychoactive properties and are known to have anti-depressant effects. To many smokers, they are extremely habituating, probably much more so than nicotine alone... you're likely to miss them when they're gone.

The WTA liquid is used in making E-juice in order to supply the other alkaloids from tobacco, for vapers who remain unsatisfied when using nicotine-only juice and so still have cravings.

To absent friends...

Lot's of reading is available to you here on the forum and else where

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/228147-wta-future.html

WTA

whole-tobacco-alkaloid-wta-eliquid

 

[vaptamist]

Got my order in - I'm really enjoying this. Again, the WTA doesn't make choirs of angels sing, and there was no light that shone down upon my PV from heaven, but I do seem to get more satisfaction out of it. I also don't chain vape like I used to. That's mainly what I was looking for. I have caught myself a few times falling back into my old vaping habits where I'm constantly redripping and vaping constantly - with WTA I feel like I actually reach a stopping point for a little while, which is more in line with actual analogs.

Anyway - what has impressed me more is the quality of the flavoring. It's very well done. Here's a quick review of each of the liquids.

Pear - I've tried fruit liquids from a lot of vendors, and they have too much "perfume" and there is a weird chemical bite that I get out of them, that almost sours the flavor for me. This pear is a nice light flavor, and I don't get a perfumey-chemical taste out of it. It's just smooth, light, and is pear flavored. I vape this at a lower voltage - I don't like HOT fruit flavors. I really enjoy this.

RY4-tobacco - He has two RY4 flavors, "classic" and "tobacco". The tobacco is mostly tobacco. There's some hints of other flavors there, and most importantly for me, doesn't have that obnoxious nutty taste that I've found in almost all RY4's I've tried. I like the heavier tobacco flavor on this. If you're looking for an RY4 like most vendors provide, then DONT get this one. If you're dissatisfied with most of the RY4's you've tried and felt like the nut, vanilla, and caramels were too pronounced, then you'd probably love this. Personally, I love it.

Electric Cigarette - I wasn't real thrilled about this one at first. I woke up today, and loaded it up before I left the house and I immediately "got it". I don't know if it was from using a different atomizer and changing the voltage I was vaping at, but it just hit me. I vaped it for most of the day today and was really really pleased with it. It's straight tobacco, no additional flavors, and it's not a pipe or cigar tobacco. I could see vaping this a lot.

So, the final verdict is:

WTA - "feels" like it's working. I'm not throwing the rest of my juice in the trash by any means.
Flavors - really, really impressed by these, and I absolutely hate everything I've tried lately.

I'll be calling Ethan tomorrow and placing another order before he closes up shop for the holidays. Going to try 2 or 3 new flavors and see how they turn out.

Quick edit: Convinced myself while writing this post that I wanted to vape more Electric Cigarette. I put it back on my Provari and forgot to see what voltage I was at (was at 5v). I have it in my DCA with a 3 ohm 306 atomizer. That's a little over 8 watts. It was bleh. I bumped it back up to 5.6 volts (about 10.5 watts), which is what it was at for most of today, and I was back to loving it. This liquid, for me at least, needs to be nice and hot to enjoy it. The throat hit and flavor combine together at higher power to create a really satisfying experience. I thought maybe 6 volts might be the ticket, but that was too high, and the flavor started slipping away.

 

[Off Topic]

I've yet to try WTA- I'm just wondering... what do you feel is the primary difference in your vaping experience that is different from regular juice? Do you think there is a bit of a placebo effect going on with the WTA? Do you use or require a lower nic level with WTA or do you vape the same?

Nicotine, by itself, is a stimulant. The other alkaloids have an anti-anxiety anti-depression effect. This is no placebo. If you are getting satisfaction from straight nicotine, then you don't need WTA. Save your money.

If you are vaping like crazy...to the point where you are having early signs of nic overload... and you are still craving something... and you can't put your finger on what it is... and you are anxious about it... Try the WTA.

I don't vape WTA all the time. I rarely vape more than a few drops a day. WTA is my nightcap. WTA is my anxiety control valve. I suspect that if I tried vaping it all the time, it would stop working so well.

 

[J**2]

Nicotine, by itself, is a stimulant. The other alkaloids have an anti-anxiety anti-depression effect. This is no placebo.

Not quite accurate. Actually the response to nicotine depends on the concentration. At lower conc it's a stimulant. At higher conc there is more anxiolytic effect. You can see this in people smoking. For stim people take short hits. For relaxation a looooonnnnnngggg drag is better.

Natural cig smoke also contains monoamine oxidase inhibitors ( like antidepressants )


GG stealth, Provari, iatty2, DIY chef

 

[VapingTums]

Has anyone ordered from Ethan recently? If so how long from ordering was it until he shipped it? Waiting for my order to arrive and not getting any replies from him :/ I have no doubt I will get my order but I am thinking he is extremely busy and maybe has too much workload.

 

[emanguba]

He's usually quite busy...but he will reply to your email.

I'm close to his location, so for me it only takes a couple days.

 

[Mookie]

I ordered from him last week and the juice arrived in about 7 days. I talked with him on the phone and he did say he was very busy plus his grandfather is ill and Ethan is helping care for him. I'm sure you will hear from him soon.

Does this juice need to steep?

 

[MikenGA]

I haven't needed to order from Ethan for a few months, cuz I got a good supply on the last order. Anyway, when I have placed an order it usually takes about two weeks before it arrives at my door. Regardless of how long it takes, I know it will get here when he can get it out, and it all has been good.

As for steeping, I haven't noticed a difference from the day I got it until now (about 3 months). It was good straight out of the mailbox. Ethan did suggest to steep the 'Turkish Tobacco', but it was fine for my tastes.

What flavors and levels did YOU order, Mookie?