WTA - strength comparison between the two vendors?

[Drael]

-And the phenomena of a little "too relaxed".

Just wondered if anyone who has tried both vendors, could give some feedback on which has stronger WTA/relaxing effects. (not saying "better" here, either)

I really dont want to get into the whole competitive history etc.

So without being specific , I just have heard a few people saying if they vape alot wta juices can get a little bit "too relaxed" - but I never found anything like that, at all. Too much chamomile tea yes, sitting in a bath for too long, but not wta e-liquids.

I juice I tried was relaxing, but more or less like a ciggarette. When i first tried it, it made me very slightly dizzy, because id been off cigarrettes for awhile (just like if id smoked a ciggie at that time, or but less so), but that was only the first puff. After that it was less effects than a ciggie (id say around 50%), but very subjectively equivilant. I think this is pretty much the standard experience?

I just want to know - is one of the two vendors juices a bit stronger regarding the wtas?

Or are people just sometimes vaping far too much of it, instead of stopping after a handful of puffs like with ciggies?

Or the nic content?

Just a bit of a mystery to me...

Id just like to know for my own information really, so any kind of simple breif reply would help, and if you like, you can just PM me....

Cheers!

 

[Mr.Mann]

First off, I would NOT recommend trying Vapelicious. I, and many others have bought from there only to wait well over a month receiving no word form the owner. Oh sure, he'll promise and promise at first, and then the site will go down, like it always does, and then you'll be left to wonder. He will claim he got too many orders and the site had "issues."

After the 5 week mark, I called my bank, filed a complaint and got my money back. I could go further with how absurd my experience was,but suffice it to say, I don't advise that purchase but feel free to do as you wish. Others got their juice, but it took forever and they had no idea when they were going to get it.

While I don't recommend that vendor one bit, I know for a fact that his WTA is legit (I can't say how I know), but unfortunately his business ain't legit.

I used to buy from Aroma all the time, but toward the end of my dealings with them, I felt as if the batches were highly inconsistent in terms of taste and the strength of the actual WTA. The owner used to treat me extremely well and I personally know of him helping out others, so you are at least safe spending money with him (in terms of getting the product in a timely manner). With Aroma, you will have access and accountability though ECF, so that makes that a safer bet. As to the efficacy of his product, that can only be determined by you.

edit* When I vaped Aroma, I didn't get dizzy at all. There was in the beginning an overall relaxed feeling, but nothing troubling. But to answer your question about whether one is stronger than the other: that can only be opinion cause neither quantify how much is in the juice.

 

[Kopfstimmen]

Never tried Vapalicious, but I can only second the customer service opinion on Aroma. Occasionally they might be out of a flavor, but I tried 3, and liked all of them. I also had GREAT customer service from Jerry. I sent him an email about the out of stock juice, and he wrote me back at about 2:00 AM his time. I thought that was pretty amazing. A cool dude here on ECF posted a thread asking a question about WTA, and Jerry jumped on the thread and took care to make sure all of his concerns were addressed.
Never noticed any inconsistencies. As a matter of fact, I'm going to order from them again. Don't know if it will be the WTA line, but the WTA was so good that I have to try the non-WTA.

 

[Mr.Mann]

The biggest problem, as far as I can tell, with the production and subsequent selling of WTA is that while it is a huge science in the production of it, there is not a lot known about what the correct or best "dosage" is. It seems to me to be a guess at best. Neither site (although one is never up) actually says how much of the WTA is in the juice. One site says "Super-high, high, medium and low", whatever that means, and the other just has juice with WTA -- it is not a quantifiable thing as in nic. Also, neither site has any posted testing from an independent lab for anyone to check, so it's all up to the makers discretion as to what gets included and what is known about it.

I don't mean to cast dispersion on WTA, and I used to swear by it, but then again, I also used to smoke.

Edit* Vapelicous is the other WTA "vendor," and and Vap-a-licious is a regular flavoring juice maker with no WTA.

 

[Kopfstimmen]

I guess you'll have to trust your feelings on that one. Use the force.
I did not feel "too relaxed". I just felt like I normally do. I can only tell you that for me it helped, even if it was psychosomatic. However, the juice is the one that tasted most like tobacco to me and like smoking a normal cig, with the exception of cherry cola, which I oddly enough chose for my high nic "getting started in the morning" juice. (Please don't ask my reasoning behind that.)

 

[Mr.Mann]

I guess you'll have to trust your feelings on that one. Use the force.
I did not feel "too relaxed". I just felt like I normally do. I can only tell you that for me it helped, even if it was psychosomatic. However, the juice is the one that tasted most like tobacco to me and like smoking a normal cig, with the exception of cherry cola, which I oddly enough chose for my high nic "getting started in the morning" juice. (Please don't ask my reasoning behind that.)

If you are interested in tobacco, I'd love to talk, or check out his thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/274904-natural-tobaccos.html.

Man, I went through more bottles of Aroma's juices than I care to count and wrote some rave reviews on them; but now when I try them all I can taste is DIY flavors -- that's not bad, it's just not remarkably special. If we are talking taste, then there are just far too many other options out there to justify the purchase of those $12 10 mL botttles for me. If we are talking WTA, then yes, that is the going rate and like I said before, I wouldn't trust spending money with the other site, though his WTA is legit. In a better world, both sites would make more information available (like actual test results) since the public would be hard pressed to do it, but until then, you have to trust.

If you are interested, you can go to your local university and they may possibly do a GCMS test on your liquid, but you my have to know someone there.

I must stress that at the time, WTA helped me when standard juices would not. Considering how I swore by it, there came a time when it was not as it was. It's one thing when someone says it never was this or that, but for me it was fact that I felt it, until the more and more I bought it the feeling went away as if the juice became just regular liquid. You must understand that was terrible for me because of how much I loved it and did not want to go back to regular liquid. It took while for me to get over it, but then I found a world of flavors that superseded that one time desire for that kind of juice.

p.s. On the topic of "trust," Aroma does open its doors to let you see what and how they do what it is that they're doing. ECF member Snork did a review on his visit to the lab. It's posted in the Aroma sub-forum.

 

[Kopfstimmen]

Heheheh... I saw that thread, but WAY too many pages for me, and I'm cutting back on expenses due to sample liquids. Got to hit break even some day, after all.
I actually quit WTA for at least a month, and then found I had a few drops of P38 left (I was a menthol smoker). I put it in my atomizer, and it was just like I remembered it. Love it, but I found when I used it too long, I got used to the taste.
Have you tried his non-WTA liquids? I just glanced at the Aroma site, and they seem pretty reasonable in cost. I'll probably order some samples to see how good they are.

If you are interested in tobacco, I'd love to talk, or check out his thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/274904-natural-tobaccos.html.

Man, I went through more bottles of Aroma's juices than I care to count and wrote some rave reviews on them; but now when I try them all I can taste is DIY flavors -- that's not bad, it's just not remarkably special. If we are talking taste, then there are just far too many other options out there to justify the purchase of those $12 10 mL botttles for me. If we are talking WTA, then yes, that is the going rate and like I said before, I wouldn't trust spending money with the other site, though his WTA is legit. In a better world, both sites would make more information available (like actual test results) since the public would be hard pressed to do it, but until then, you have to trust.

If you are interested, you can go to your local university and they may possibly do a GCMS test on your liquid, but you my have to know someone there.

I must stress that at the time, WTA helped me when standard juices would not. Considering how I swore by it, there came a time when it was not as it was. It's one thing when someone says it never was this or that, but for me it was fact that I felt it, until the more and more I bought it the feeling went away as if the juice became just regular liquid. You must understand that was terrible for me because of how much I loved it and did not want to go back to regular liquid. It took while for me to get over it, but then I found a world of flavors that superseded that one time desire for that kind of juice.

p.s. On the topic of "trust," Aroma does open its doors to let you see what and how they do what it is that they're doing. ECF member Snork did a review on his visit to the lab. It's posted in the Aroma sub-forum.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Heheheh... I saw that thread, but WAY too many pages for me, and I'm cutting back on expenses due to sample liquids. Got to hit break even some day, after all.
I actually quit WTA for at least a month, and then found I had a few drops of P38 left (I was a menthol smoker). I put it in my atomizer, and it was just like I remembered it. Love it, but I found when I used it too long, I got used to the taste.
Have you tried his non-WTA liquids? I just glanced at the Aroma site, and they seem pretty reasonable in cost. I'll probably order some samples to see how good they are.

Nope never tried the non-WTA juices, but once again, if you like tobacco, I am someone who can help. Hit me up anytime.

Another cool thing about Jerry is he will accommodate orders to, let's say..GERMANY. LOL

 

[Kopfstimmen]

I bet he would - I won't go through the nightmare of customs again, though. I have an Army Post Office (APO) box.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Oh okay, cool.

 

[Faylool]

Vapelicious is changing their 4 strengths to 2. The logistics around closing his site are for him to know. I don't why he continues to sell juice but he does and he has people who continue to order. I have seen no postings what so ever of anyone not getting their juice from him and he does say it will take a long time because he's always behind in WTA
I notice no difference between the two vendors. I do notice a difference between WTA and non WTA. it is subtle and depends on how much I'm vaping. If I'm vaping a lot, non WTA gets me flighty and wired. Whereas with WTA I can vape a lot and my brain still fires correctly. Or at least somewhat correctly. Haha

 

[Mr.Mann]

Vapelicious is changing their 4 strengths to 2. The logistics around closing his site are for him to know. I don't why he continues to sell juice but he does and he has people who continue to order. I have seen no postings what so ever of anyone not getting their juice from him and he does say it will take a long time because he's always behind in WTA
I notice no difference between the two vendors. I do notice a difference between WTA and non WTA. it is subtle and depends on how much I'm vaping. If I'm vaping a lot, non WTA gets me flighty and wired. Whereas with WTA I can vape a lot and my brain still fires correctly. Or at least somewhat correctly. Haha

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-wta-juice-reopening-thread.html#post6275674
(That was a continuation thread, the first one got deleted by the mods. Up til the point of that thread, dang near all the posters there, and many that hadn't posted there before that thread got closed all were waiting with no word.)


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...84-vapelicious-shipping-time.html#post7015619
(That poster had been waiting a month)


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...12-top-5-vendors-e-liquid-44.html#post7436207
(Over a month)


These are just a few that I pulled up, but I just wanted to show you since you hadn't seen any. All of those posts were more than a month in waiting. Of course, that is not to say that his WTA is not effective.

 

[nesta]

ive had no problems ordering from vapelicious, he was really helpful. and although behind, he did get my order done in a reasonable amount of time. you can select levels of wta with him, so regarding the strength comparison... the only difference for me has been the flavors of the 2 companies

 

[Berylanna]

I always heard the brain signal for when to stop comes from nicotine, and the relaxed feeling (which for me means 'satisfaction' ) comes from one of the other alkaloids. My doctor knows which one but it was a hallway discussion and she didn't have time to tell me.

So, I would guess the way to get over-relaxed would be to have too little nic for how much WTA, and the way to get dizzy would be too much nic for the WTA,
either way you over-vape trying to get what you need.

But that is a guess.

If the "brain signal" comes from one of the other alkaloids, that could explain over-vaping-headaches some people get from too much nic.

I'm still waiting on an August order from "the other vendor" but got an email last week that makes it look like maybe something finally shipped.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I always heard the brain signal for when to stop comes from nicotine, and the relaxed feeling (which for me means 'satisfaction' ) comes from one of the other alkaloids. My doctor knows which one but it was a hallway discussion and she didn't have time to tell me.

So, I would guess the way to get over-relaxed would be to have too little nic for how much WTA, and the way to get dizzy would be too much nic for the WTA,
either way you over-vape trying to get what you need.

But that is a guess.

If the "brain signal" comes from one of the other alkaloids, that could explain over-vaping-headaches some people get from too much nic.

I'm still waiting on an August order from "the other vendor" but got an email last week that makes it look like maybe something finally shipped.

Well put, even for a synopsis of a hallway discussion! LOL

p.s. Sheesh! Since August? Hope you get your juice soon, Bery!

 

[Faylool]

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QUOTE=Mr.Mann;7959537]http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-wta-juice-reopening-thread.html#post6275674
(That was a continuation thread, the first one got deleted by the mods. Up til the point of that thread, dang near all the posters there, and many that hadn't posted there before that thread got closed all were waiting with no word.)


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...84-vapelicious-shipping-time.html#post7015619
(That poster had been waiting a month)


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...12-top-5-vendors-e-liquid-44.html#post7436207
(Over a month)
Right. You misunderstood me. I meant not getting their juice from him at all zero zip nada. Who likes waiting? Not me but when I know it could be a ridiculously long wait I put it out of my mind. When it gets here its like a special " top shelf" vape. Or at least I try not to vape it all the time! I buy from both vendors anyway

These are just a few that I pulled up, but I just wanted to show you since you hadn't seen any. All of those posts were more than a month in waiting. Of course, that is not to say that his WTA is not effective.[/QUOTE]

 

[Berylanna]

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Right. You misunderstood me. I meant not getting their juice from him at all zero zip nada. Who likes waiting? Not me but when I know it could be a ridiculously long wait I put it out of my mind. When it gets here its like a special " top shelf" vape. Or at least I try not to vape it all the time! I buy from both vendors anyway

These are just a few that I pulled up, but I just wanted to show you since you hadn't seen any. All of those posts were more than a month in waiting. Of course, that is not to say that his WTA is not effective.

The problem is it is not clear how many would be "never" if we didn't go through non-published routes to contact him and remind him of our orders.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Right. You misunderstood me. I meant not getting their juice from him at all zero zip nada. Who likes waiting? Not me but when I know it could be a ridiculously long wait I put it out of my mind. When it gets here its like a special " top shelf" vape. Or at least I try not to vape it all the time! I buy from both vendors anyway

Oh okay. I never said that people didn't get their juice, I said, "I, and many others have bought from there only to wait well over a month receiving no word form the owner." I won't go one about it after this, but when you take someone's money and tell them "it may be longer than a week," that doesn't necessarily lead one to think it would be 5+ weeks, you know? Actually, someone that ordered around the same time as I did went several more weeks with no product and no word. The bottom line is he even told me he was sending it after 3 weeks and another two passed without so much as a notice or a heads-up. I can't deal with that uncertainty with my money and I got it back. I am not saying he is a crook, just not the type of business that I would ever recommend anyone to. But, I'll say it again, his WTA is for real.

Bery, has waited too long, period!

 

[Berylanna]

Oh okay. I never said that people didn't get their juice, I said, "I, and many others have bought from there only to wait well over a month receiving no word form the owner." I won't go one about it after this, but when you take someone's money and tell them "it may be longer than a week," that doesn't necessarily lead one to think it would be 5+ weeks, you know? Actually, someone that ordered around the same time as I did went several more weeks with no product and no word. The bottom line is he even told me he was sending it after 3 weeks and another two passed without so much as a notice or a heads-up. I can't deal with that uncertainty with my money and I got it back. I am not saying he is a crook, just not the type of business that I would ever recommend anyone to. But, I'll say it again, his WTA is for real.

Bery, has waited too long, period!

The thing is, after being in the work world 40 years, I have learned that you NEVER want to see only 1 source for something you need. And I'd heard such good stuff about the flavors of both.

So if he can get his notification system working (maybe cutting down on his variety will help!) I'd even be willing to wait 6 months for an order IF THAT IS THE WAIT TIME I WAS QUOTED. Maybe someone can recommend a web package that is better than whatever he is using.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I possibly, maybe, built a tolerance to what's in the juice. It's odd though, cause considering I stopped vaping it altogether, it would seem as if it would "work" for me now, but those last bottles don't do much for me flavor wise or anything else. Maybe I am the only one? There was a time when that juice was everything to me.