A case of vaping induced popcorn lung rebuffed by Dr. F.

[Painter_]

Report points to possibility of diacetyl, a flavoring agent in e-cigarettes, to bronchiolitis obliterans syndrome

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-10/acoc-crf101915.php

Within hours of the post hitting the interwebs Dr. Farsalinos rebuffs it as a misrepresentation of the data.

http://www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/whats-new/whatsnew-2015/234-bo

The reason is that the whole case report is NOT about popcorn lung disease (bronchiolitis obliterans) but about a case of acute hypersensitivity pneumonitis.

 

[Robino1]

Merged two threads since they deal with the same thing. The merged thread by Painter, contains the rebuttal by Dr. F.

 

[Robino1]

And I was wrong They are two different articles. I am sorry.

I can Move the post back to it's own thread.

 

[Robino1]

Lord I made a mess. Painter, please let me know what the thread title was and I will fix it for you!

 

[FishingBuffalo]

Sick 'em Dr. F!

 

[bigdancehawk]

I have written a firmly worded but polite email to the media contact woman. We'll see if they issue a correction or if I even get a response.

 

[Painter_]

Lord I made a mess. Painter, please let me know what the thread title was and I will fix it for you!

Actually the topics between the two threads are based on the same root study. The source articles are different. The title is fine, as you noted I had the response from Dr. F in my post. You can merge the threads together or keep them separate, that kind of thing does not matter to me.

I looked to see if the topic was posted before I posted mine, but did not see Moonbogg's post. So my error caused your error to become a non-error which created a misunderstanding due to the confusion in the sequence of events causing a cascade of errors leading up to this post which I am sure has some errors in it. So do not worry about it, merged or not merged the important thing is to keep the community informed.

 

[Marc411]

I looked to see if the topic was posted before I posted mine, but did not see Moonbogg's post. So my error caused your error to become a non-error which created a misunderstanding due to the confusion in the sequence of events causing a cascade of errors leading up to this post which I am sure has some errors in it. So do not worry about it, merged or not merged the important thing is to keep the community informed.

Huh?

 

[Scottitude]

Gottaa love the article's disclaimer:

Disclaimer: AAAS and EurekAlert! are not responsible for the accuracy of news releases posted to EurekAlert! by contributing institutions or for the use of any information through the EurekAlert system.

 

[sofarsogood]

I read the news story and it didn't appear to be about popcorn lung. It's nice to have Dr. F take a look and confirm that.

Remember the story about the kid who supposedly died from ingesting e liquid in NY? An effort was made to get the death certificate and local authorities said a New York law allows a family to withhold that and apparently that's true. In news reports I read there was mention that the baby sitter tried to induce vomiting in the child then later there was a report that the e liquid was 100 mg concentrate, not consumer pre-mixed e liquid. I'd like to see a photo of the actual eliquid bottle in question and I'd like to know if choking to the point of suffocation was ruled out. I'd still like to see that death certificate. Why do I bring this up? Because I don't believe a damn thing they say about anything any more and that's really not such a good thing when the topic is public health.

 

[Robino1]

Actually the topics between the two threads are based on the same root study. The source articles are different. The title is fine, as you noted I had the response from Dr. F in my post. You can merge the threads together or keep them separate, that kind of thing does not matter to me.

I looked to see if the topic was posted before I posted mine, but did not see Moonbogg's post. So my error caused your error to become a non-error which created a misunderstanding due to the confusion in the sequence of events causing a cascade of errors leading up to this post which I am sure has some errors in it. So do not worry about it, merged or not merged the important thing is to keep the community informed.

I am going to leave it as is. If I tried to merge now...it would be all confusing as the posts would go in by time stamp. That would be a mess!

Huh?

The funny thing...I understood that whole thing!!!

 

[Marc411]

I am going to leave it as is. If I tried to merge now...it would be all confusing as the posts would go in by time stamp. That would be a mess!



The funny thing...I understood that whole thing!!!

Me too, it just reminded me of Laurel and Hardy Who's on First.

Damn I just showed my age.

Both posts were a good read Painter.

 

[Robino1]

Me too, it just reminded me of Laurel and Hardy Who's on First.

Damn I just showed my age.

Both posts were a good read Painter.

Abbot and Costello did the who's on first routine Had to think about it for a second. It is a classic so even if you weren't old enough, you were probably exposed to it at some point in time

 

[Kent C]

you were probably exposed to it at some point in time

Rain Man - Ray(Dustin Hoffman) was obsessed with it. :- ) But even that was 1988

 

[Marc411]

Abbot and Costello did the who's on first routine Had to think about it for a second. It is a classic so even if you weren't old enough, you were probably exposed to it at some point in time

And you have a better memory Robino because your correct Abbot and Costello.

Rain Main was pretty good too! How many toothpicks was that Kent?

 

[Kent C]

Rain Main was pretty good too! How many toothpicks was that Kent?

Raymond: 82, 82, 82.
Charlie: 82 what?
Raymond: Toothpicks.
Charlie: There’s a lot more than 82 toothpicks, Ray.
Raymond: 246 total.
Charlie: How many?
Sally Dibbs: 250.
Charlie: Pretty close.
Sally Dibbs: There’s four left in the box.



Hoffman won Best Actor in a leading role but Cruise had the better performance imo (and one of his best). His 'evolution' was great and the events that moved him from plick to good brother were made in a way that could be believed. Hoffman was good, but didn't change (much) during the performance.

 

[EBates]

So, they've done it again. Publicize more Junk Science sworn to by the 'Media' and 'Medical Professionals'! So when does the Accountability, The Reckoning, take place? These Lying Bas***s Can Not Be Allowed To Continue Unpunished!!!!!

 

[AndriaD]

I read the news story and it didn't appear to be about popcorn lung. It's nice to have Dr. F take a look and confirm that.

Remember the story about the kid who supposedly died from ingesting e liquid in NY? An effort was made to get the death certificate and local authorities said a New York law allows a family to withhold that and apparently that's true. In news reports I read there was mention that the baby sitter tried to induce vomiting in the child then later there was a report that the e liquid was 100 mg concentrate, not consumer pre-mixed e liquid. I'd like to see a photo of the actual eliquid bottle in question and I'd like to know if choking to the point of suffocation was ruled out. I'd still like to see that death certificate. Why do I bring this up? Because I don't believe a damn thing they say about anything any more and that's really not such a good thing when the topic is public health.

Andria