Hello everyone. Ive vaped before for about 3-4 months. It worked well for me giving up, but unfortunately some extra life stressors, threw me off the wagon.
Now I am on a bit of a health kick, going to quit again, and am wondering what the safest e-liquid ingredients are going to be (Obviously no vaping is safer, ciggerettes are far worse, and this involves a bit of speculation, seeing as its not well studied).
Basically I am just trying to _guess_ whats the safest, using the information available.
Of course if this is in the wrong section, Ill keep posting here until I can put it in the right place
I am happy for the moment with nicotine itself. Its a stimulant, its toxic, but thankfully not carcinogenic - but I dont plan on vaping regularly forever. This is a means to an end for me. Cant give up the ciggies without a middle step.
As for bases/mediums, weve got glycerol (vg), and Propylene glycol.
Gylcerol is a naturally occuring metabolite of ingested fats. Its ld50 is very high, of course its metabolites are all nontoxic. It is caloric (ie it counts as food energy), and larger than normal amounts of it may have some effects on the body. Its used in food, and occurs naturally in the body. Whats more, theres a metabolic process for it, actually in the lungs.
Propylene glycol is also relatively non-toxic, which has a very high ld50. It does cause sensitivities in some, and one of its very minor metabolites is potentially toxic, although overall its regarded as low toxicity. It is used in medicines, like asthma inhalers.
So based on this, I am _guessing_ "VG" is better. Of course the body only expects so much of the stuff, especially in the lungs, so I am thinking it would be better diluted with distilled water (also to lower the thickness etc) . Does anyone have much experience mixing VG with water for a base?
PG based on what ive read seems generally safe enough, but, its metabolites arent ideal for me i think. And some have sensitivities. No doubt better than cigs!
And then theres flavourings. Id prefer some kinda slightly sweet tobacco type flavour, but really by priority is anything pleasant tasting that is not just GRAS, but has a potentially higher standard of safety. Something earthy, like chocolate, vanilla, coffee etc would be a good starting point. Does anyone know of some good options here?
I may look into using some form of natural food extract or combo thereof, if I cant find a commercial flavouring thats got a very high standard of safety.
Then again, most foods/plants have some form of bioactivity, and regularly ingesting a plant concentrate might not be ideal either. The actual flavouring is the main area that I am still considering.
The temperature the vapourisation occurs at is another factor. I wonder is it high enough for any chemicals involved to break down or oxidise? I guess to some degree this happens when we fry foods, but given the novel substances involved, and the method of consumption, its a consideration still. Does anyone know what temperature the average e-cig vapes at?
I hold even the food I eat these days to a high standard of safety (I avoid processed food and added chemicals, I dont drink, I dont do drugs). I would like to, at least while I am using e-cigs as a stop gap, to be able to able to hold my e-liquid to the same-ish high standard.
Its not that I doubt e-cigs are safer than ciggerettes, that seems very obvious, its just...well call me obsessive!
I found that vermount vapor place here when I browsed around. They use water, glycerine & gras flavours, which seems like a good starting point. But I would love to know more about what flavours seem the safest, and what are used for flavours in these things.
Clearly, some kinda flavour is going to work better for giving up, than none. And possibly even a natural tobacco extract based flavour would be more of a known quantity than something synthetic, even if normally used for food..
Speculative, yes, complex, yes, I know, I know. But id still like to satify my instinct for the most likely healthiest e-liquid I can find/make.
Thanks for any feedback (and for reading), I really appreciate it.
Cheers,
Drael
Now I am on a bit of a health kick, going to quit again, and am wondering what the safest e-liquid ingredients are going to be (Obviously no vaping is safer, ciggerettes are far worse, and this involves a bit of speculation, seeing as its not well studied).
Basically I am just trying to _guess_ whats the safest, using the information available.
Of course if this is in the wrong section, Ill keep posting here until I can put it in the right place
I am happy for the moment with nicotine itself. Its a stimulant, its toxic, but thankfully not carcinogenic - but I dont plan on vaping regularly forever. This is a means to an end for me. Cant give up the ciggies without a middle step.
As for bases/mediums, weve got glycerol (vg), and Propylene glycol.
Gylcerol is a naturally occuring metabolite of ingested fats. Its ld50 is very high, of course its metabolites are all nontoxic. It is caloric (ie it counts as food energy), and larger than normal amounts of it may have some effects on the body. Its used in food, and occurs naturally in the body. Whats more, theres a metabolic process for it, actually in the lungs.
Propylene glycol is also relatively non-toxic, which has a very high ld50. It does cause sensitivities in some, and one of its very minor metabolites is potentially toxic, although overall its regarded as low toxicity. It is used in medicines, like asthma inhalers.
So based on this, I am _guessing_ "VG" is better. Of course the body only expects so much of the stuff, especially in the lungs, so I am thinking it would be better diluted with distilled water (also to lower the thickness etc) . Does anyone have much experience mixing VG with water for a base?
PG based on what ive read seems generally safe enough, but, its metabolites arent ideal for me i think. And some have sensitivities. No doubt better than cigs!
And then theres flavourings. Id prefer some kinda slightly sweet tobacco type flavour, but really by priority is anything pleasant tasting that is not just GRAS, but has a potentially higher standard of safety. Something earthy, like chocolate, vanilla, coffee etc would be a good starting point. Does anyone know of some good options here?
I may look into using some form of natural food extract or combo thereof, if I cant find a commercial flavouring thats got a very high standard of safety.
Then again, most foods/plants have some form of bioactivity, and regularly ingesting a plant concentrate might not be ideal either. The actual flavouring is the main area that I am still considering.
The temperature the vapourisation occurs at is another factor. I wonder is it high enough for any chemicals involved to break down or oxidise? I guess to some degree this happens when we fry foods, but given the novel substances involved, and the method of consumption, its a consideration still. Does anyone know what temperature the average e-cig vapes at?
I hold even the food I eat these days to a high standard of safety (I avoid processed food and added chemicals, I dont drink, I dont do drugs). I would like to, at least while I am using e-cigs as a stop gap, to be able to able to hold my e-liquid to the same-ish high standard.
Its not that I doubt e-cigs are safer than ciggerettes, that seems very obvious, its just...well call me obsessive!
I found that vermount vapor place here when I browsed around. They use water, glycerine & gras flavours, which seems like a good starting point. But I would love to know more about what flavours seem the safest, and what are used for flavours in these things.
Clearly, some kinda flavour is going to work better for giving up, than none. And possibly even a natural tobacco extract based flavour would be more of a known quantity than something synthetic, even if normally used for food..
Speculative, yes, complex, yes, I know, I know. But id still like to satify my instinct for the most likely healthiest e-liquid I can find/make.
Thanks for any feedback (and for reading), I really appreciate it.
Cheers,
Drael
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