So I've read up and I just wanna make sure I got this right. If you use a series mod, your voltage doubles. So a 3.7V in series with another 3.7V battery, it adds up to 7.4V and nothing else changes. But in parallel you mAh and Amperage doubles. So a 1500mAh 30CDR battery in parallel with another of the same specifications would be 3000mAh and 60 Amps, therefore I could safely run a .11 ohm build on my mod. Correct?
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I hate it when people just mark “disagree” without explanation. I don’t mind being wrong, but I would like to know HOW I am wrong
Top is parallel, bottom is series.
OP, i wouldn't trust double the amps from a parallel mech. Mainly because contacts get grimy quick, leading to uneven draining. But you can go higher amp draw than a single battery.
What I do is take 10% off, so for 2x Samsung 20S @ 30A = 60A I put my max Amps at 54A for parallel
On paper, you'd be correct. In practice, there are going to be issues. It's best to leave a margin for safety.
In parallel:
1. Base your calculations on the batteries' full charge of 4.2V rather than the nominal 3.7V
2. Figure 1.5 x Amps (with a 30 Amp cell, 45 Amps... 20 A = 30 A and so on).
In series:
1. Base voltage on 8.4V, not 7.4V
2. Base current on about .8 CDR (30 A = 24 A, etc)
IN ALL CASES ensure that you're practicing safe battery handling... Make sure that the cells are in good condition (no tears or nicks in the wrappers... No dents or dings), make sure you're using quality authentic cells from a reliable source (60 A 4000 mAh eBay cells are not right...). Clean contacts will help...
Let me add to my above post, for Newbies with Mech's I always recommend full amps + 1/2 amps of second. So for 2x 30A = 60A I would recommend to Newb's max Amp ceiling of 45A. That is until they get some experience under their belt, they need a lot more wiggle room IMO.
Great advice so far.
Something else to consider when choosing between dual battery series or parallel, is that assuming you use an appropriate resistance coil you end up in the same place. Two batteries contain a pool of watt hours.
Series - voltages are added together, same mAh same amp limit
Parallel - voltage the same, but mAh and CDR added together(ish)
Exotic coils like multi-core claptons that use a lot of metal and therefore end up being very low resistance. These are better suited to a parallel mod where you have a large combined amp pool.
However, the higher the current in an electrical circuit is the greater the losses will be, ie the more voltage drop you see in the mod which increases exponentially with amp draw.
Because series configuration has a higher voltage pool, much higher resistance coils can be used comprised of thinner wire which is intrinsically more efficient and ramps up/down faster. Less current in the circuit will be more efficient. Less current also means less battery voltage sag.
Ultimately assuming you choose your coil resistance sensibly, you can use either parallel or series to achieve the same output wattage and approximately the same run-time from a pair of batteries, though series is more efficient.
Eg.
Series - 0.7 ohms @ 8.4 volts = 12 amps and 100 watts
Parallel - 0.175 ohms @ 4.2 volts = 24 amps and 100 watts
Something else to consider when choosing between dual battery series or parallel, is that assuming you use an appropriate resistance coil you end up in the same place. Two batteries contain a pool of watt hours.
Series - voltages are added together, same mAh same amp limit
Parallel - voltage the same, but mAh and CDR added together(ish)
Exotic coils like multi-core claptons that use a lot of metal and therefore end up being very low resistance. These are better suited to a parallel mod where you have a large combined amp pool.
However, the higher the current in an electrical circuit is the greater the losses will be, ie the more voltage drop you see in the mod which increases exponentially with amp draw.
Because series configuration has a higher voltage pool, much higher resistance coils can be used comprised of thinner wire which is intrinsically more efficient and ramps up/down faster. Less current in the circuit will be more efficient. Less current also means less battery voltage sag.
Ultimately assuming you choose your coil resistance sensibly, you can use either parallel or series to achieve the same output wattage and approximately the same run-time from a pair of batteries, though series is more efficient.
Eg.
Series - 0.7 ohms @ 8.4 volts = 12 amps and 100 watts
Parallel - 0.175 ohms @ 4.2 volts = 24 amps and 100 watts
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One last thing:
A parallel mech reacts much worse to batteries inserted the wrong way (essentially shorting both batteries). Unfortunately that wrong way is how batteries are normally inserted in regulated mods (and some series mech boxes) so it's easy to make that error when not paying attention.
I've seen some homemade parallel mechs a few years ago when overall power was lower, they had a fuse to prevent that short from happening. I don't think commercial parallel mechs have those (I remember seeing pictures on this forum from an accident involving a parallel mech where one battery was inserted upside down a few months ago).
A parallel mech reacts much worse to batteries inserted the wrong way (essentially shorting both batteries). Unfortunately that wrong way is how batteries are normally inserted in regulated mods (and some series mech boxes) so it's easy to make that error when not paying attention.
I've seen some homemade parallel mechs a few years ago when overall power was lower, they had a fuse to prevent that short from happening. I don't think commercial parallel mechs have those (I remember seeing pictures on this forum from an accident involving a parallel mech where one battery was inserted upside down a few months ago).
Series should be 8.4v and parallel should be 4.2v. Just trying to keep the confusion down here, so the names are just flipped, the numbers are correct.
Welcome and glad you joined.
I have provided a little more information which might help understanding batteries.
Might like to read:
Calculating battery current draw for a regulated mod | E-Cigarette Forum
http://www.wakeandvape.com/blog/18650-battery-buying-guide-for-vapor-users/
Index | E-Cigarette Forum
http://pegasusvaporacademy.com/2017/07/06/pva-18650-resistance-capability-chart/
http://pegasusvaporacademy.com/2017/07/06/pva-18650-wattage-capability-chart/
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