Vaping and the immune system?

[MacTechVpr]

This study only included "around a dozen" vapers, but I've done my own study on the subject.

Since I've been doing chemotherapy, a treatment that is known to damage the immune system, I decided to vape while receiving treatment.

The result was that my immune system was surprisingly strong while the control group was statistically weakened.

While their study suggests that "The flavorings that seemed to have the most potent gene-altering effects were additives that taste like cinnamon...." My ADV (All Day vape) is a DIY cinnamon.

That's my story & I'm sticking to it.

Even assuming they found some deviation, how did they isolate other environmental factors? And if smokers, that they didn't already exhibit these changes previously? I find it odd all the multitude of gene changes simultaneously. No scientific study this. I echo the positive remarks of previous posters. Improved my life.

Good luck all.

 

[Scottitude]

I can't believe so many people in so many threads continue to post live links to these BS junk-science articles.

This forum software provides a very simple mechanism to break links so we can visit them without having them indexed, linked to ECF, and spread across the Internet.

It ain't rocket science.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

I for one never had the 'I am healed' feelings that I seem to see expressed so much in this forum by those taking up vaping. Yes my breathing cleared up. I've experienced that to some degree after just a few hours of not smoking before vaping was ever an option. Also cutting my smoking in half for 24 hours or so made a lot of differnce. Other than the mental bounce from seemingly having conquered a nasty habit and lungs clearing, I noticed none of the physiological improvements others have claimed when switching to vaping.

While the sample involved a small number of people, I see no reason to outright denounce the findings. I doubt the near 7 fold number of muted immune genes found in vapers vs. smokers is based simply on lack of environmental controls or otherwise poor science.

While every possible difference may not be accounted for, the gravity of the finings points a direction. Again, I see no basis for denouncement.

 

[MacTechVpr]

While the sample involved a small number of people, I see no reason to outright denounce the findings. I doubt the near 7 fold number of muted immune genes found in vapers vs. smokers is based simply on lack of environmental controls or otherwise poor science.

Who knows what the test parameters are, I agree. But where is the baseline? These people are ex-smokers. No pristine petri dish they.

Good luck all.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Who knows what the test parameters are, I agree. But where is the baseline? These people are ex-smokers. No pristine petri dish they.

Good luck all.

Yes, with 53 muted genes (collectively), it seems smokers are not out in the clear. It is not said how many muted genes the non-smoking group may have had.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Posts go in a lot of directions for a lot of reasons based upon the author of the post.

No, I am not healed, but I haven't had an upper-respiratory infection in a long time because I don't recall one since I started vaping. I do have wounds from the military and they continue to get worse. Life goes on.

IMHO

 

[FishingBuffalo]

I ain't buyin' it.

I used to get upper respiratory infections once or twice a year but haven't had a single sniffle in over 5 years of vaping.

YMMV

Can not speak for everyone, but only My experience with my wife who has COPD:
Semi heavy smoker for 40 years ended up getting COPD and 4-5 lung infections a year.
Has now been vaping 4 years and has only had 2 (that is TWO) lung infections in that time. The 2nd caused by dental work ( that is a guess, but an edgumecated one).

Concensus for our household- Vaping is less harmful, we would both still be smoking 3 PAD between the both of us.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Let's hope that in the long term vapers don't show an increased propensity towards development of autoimmune diseases.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Let me be more specific. How do we now that these individuals were not predisposed to some immuno or other genetic issues? Could some markers point to that potential? Might such individuals be then targeted as subjects for a vaping study specifically by such criteria? Does science cherry-pick data?

Vaping with autoimmune disorders? | E-Cigarette Forum

Probably one of the worst damage that could me done to vapers medically is to cloud the science politically. But we know how disposed government already is to inflicting massive trauma in the form of psychological stress on smokers and no less on us.

So I would agree with you CB, our job is tough. Because we have to be even more diligent in monitoring our health risk and government's possible inclinations to mangle the facts regarding such risks. Don't know which is worse.

Good luck and prove all things.

 

[sofarsogood]

For better or worse there is a gigantic vaping experiment underway as we speak in the form of 10's of millions of people vaping, some of them for 5+ years. The public health (cough, cough) community is always on the lookout for epidemeological trends and they would be thrilled to find people becoming ill from using ecigs. But, nothing yet. If vaping were the same risk as smoking I would still vape instead because it's a superior experience and is free. It's a nice bonus that vaping is also lower health risk.

 

[skoony]

Oh, I dunno...

I had nary a symptom of rheumatoid arthritis before I took up vaping.

The same here until it was determined I have gouty arthritis. This issue has
been steadily getting worse for three years and they were well aware of my
history of gout. If you,ve had gout check into it.

A little more detail apparently from the same study...
Vaping linked to host of new health risks

This is the same studies referred to in the OP's link.
It's interesting to note the choice of words used. Muted and or suppressed.
Well I have a word,dormant. Then their lame excuse of where the sampling
took place. From the nose. Getting samples from the lung's is more difficult.
Thier conclusions show their complete and utter lack of understanding of
the chemical makeup of e-juice.
This my friends is a classic smoke and mirrors study at it's best. One would
expect to find immune system genes to be more dormant when they are not
needed due to the robust antibacterial and antiviral qualities of PG and Vg.
Where would they find such 'muted' genes? Where the PG and VG are most
likely to collect and linger in a vaper,the follicles of the nose. Talk about
control samples? Where's the bloodwork? I know the immune system
is very important when needed. This begs the question what does the
immune system do when not needed? Is it at a constant state of high
alert as in autoimmune disease?, or does it lay back when things are ok
and wait for the proper trigger mechanisms.

Regards
Mike

 

[Cool_Breeze]

A singular study may not prove a matter, but it may provide an indication. Nothing covers all possible variances, though repeated studies with similar findings might narrow those possibilities. Isn't that the process of science?

Are we to dismiss anything and everything that might cast doubt on some aspect of vaping as part of a conspiracy?

 

[EBates]

The same here until it was determined I have gouty arthritis. This issue has
been steadily getting worse for three years and they were well aware of my
history of gout. If you,ve had gout check into it.


This is the same studies referred to in the OP's link.
It's interesting to note the choice of words used. Muted and or suppressed.
Well I have a word,dormant. Then their lame excuse of where the sampling
took place. From the nose. Getting samples from the lung's is more difficult.
Thier conclusions show their complete and utter lack of understanding of
the chemical makeup of e-juice.
This my friends is a classic smoke and mirrors study at it's best. One would
expect to find immune system genes to be more dormant when they are not
needed due to the robust antibacterial and antiviral qualities of PG and Vg.
Where would they find such 'muted' genes? Where the PG and VG are most
likely to collect and linger in a vaper,the follicles of the nose. Talk about
control samples? Where's the bloodwork? I know the immune system
is very important when needed. This begs the question what does the
immune system do when not needed? Is it at a constant state of high
alert as in autoimmune disease?, or does it lay back when things are ok
and wait for the proper trigger mechanisms.

Regards
Mike

An excellent response to another BS PROPAGANDA release! The time for the FDA PROHIBITION to start grows closer, so a barrage before the main assault is a normal tactic.
The really sad part of this PROPAGANDA campaign is that many smokers considering vaping as an alternative to smoking will Believe This, 'We Don't Know, BUT...., crap and Die as a result. Thank You Big Govment for herding the Sheeple to Slaughter.

 

[MacTechVpr]

The same here until it was determined I have gouty arthritis. This issue has
been steadily getting worse for three years and they were well aware of my
history of gout. If you,ve had gout check into it.


This is the same studies referred to in the OP's link.
It's interesting to note the choice of words used. Muted and or suppressed.
Well I have a word,dormant. Then their lame excuse of where the sampling
took place. From the nose. Getting samples from the lung's is more difficult.
Thier conclusions show their complete and utter lack of understanding of
the chemical makeup of e-juice.
This my friends is a classic smoke and mirrors study at it's best. One would
expect to find immune system genes to be more dormant when they are not
needed due to the robust antibacterial and antiviral qualities of PG and Vg.
Where would they find such 'muted' genes? Where the PG and VG are most
likely to collect and linger in a vaper,the follicles of the nose. Talk about
control samples? Where's the bloodwork? I know the immune system
is very important when needed. This begs the question what does the
immune system do when not needed? Is it at a constant state of high
alert as in autoimmune disease?, or does it lay back when things are ok
and wait for the proper trigger mechanisms.

Regards
Mike

Not necessarily, I agree with CB on not just dismissing. If it were a proper peer reviewed study and not a submission to a general scientific body (AAAS) which has starkly moved towards advocacy and selected (incontrovertible) science. Hate to attack the messenger here but the author's depiction of the science as well is also accompanied by an assortment of additional indictments and slanders about vaping which have been roundly debunked elsewhere.

So yep, agree 100% with CB, lets stay open-minded to all possibilities; and, ever vigilant for the propaganda. You know the kind you stick in the back hard-drive and later prejudices your thinking. That contained all kinds of allegations too abundant to research fully but we trusted as it was featured in otherwise unrelated but legitimate technical published source.

One's not a kook to question appeal from authority. Just wise, to do so.

Good luck all.

 

[navigator2011]

I think I'm at the point where I don't know what to think anymore. Should I rest assured that this is all just part of the Big Lie?

 

[Cool_Breeze]

...Should I rest assured that this is all just part of the Big Lie?

No.

 

[Vaslovik]

Arstechnica article.

yawwwwwwnnnnn.... another ANTZ hit piece. Won't they ever get tired of this idiocy?

 

[Scottitude]

I think I'm at the point where I don't know what to think anymore. Should I rest assured that this is all just part of the Big Lie?

I think you should.

 

[skoony]

@Cool_Breeze and @MacTechVpr I beleive studies are very important however,
Whats with all the nose scraping when blood testing would be more of an
indication of what's happening overall? Does this study mean we going to
get nose cancer? Doesn't the study indicate vapers should be experiencing
all sorts of maladies right now? Why the looking for the needle in the haystack
when apparently the seamstress hasn't lost any needles. These studies appear
to indicate everything except what is actually going on.

Regards
Mike

 

[Cool_Breeze]

@Cool_Breeze and @MacTechVpr I beleive studies are very important however,
Whats with all the nose scraping when blood testing would be more of an
indication of what's happening overall? Does this study mean we going to
get nose cancer? Doesn't the study indicate vapers should be experiencing
all sorts of maladies right now? Why the looking for the needle in the haystack
when apparently the seamstress hasn't lost any needles. These studies appear
to indicate everything except what is actually going on.

Regards
Mike

I know nothing of the efficacy of the test sampling method...nose tissue sampling as vs. other possible methods. I don't know enough to question it. I know nothing of the possible limits of resources regarding the study. To quote myself, "Nothing covers all possible variances, though repeated studies with similar findings might narrow those possibilities."

I think the study indicates 'immune system genes with muted responses' may occur at a significantly higher frequency in vapers than in smokers.