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Sometimes I argue from the point of what is, and what we can work within. Sometimes, when I don't see a way for us to truly work with what is, I argue from the point of how things could be someday.There are many buts...
And yes, of course it doesn't help, because people.
And brainwashing.
And a village.
I think even Lessifer knows that.
But he's still right.
The problem is that many see things that we can work within where they don't really exist.
I don't know if they are fooling themselves or what.
But you already know that.
By the way, where is Jman8 anyway?
He'd be ALL OVER this topic.
They should not because they should not put awful amounts of glycerin, propylene glycol and flavorings in their lungs. Take a look at 30 ml bottle - it may end up in some kid lungs in a single day. And another bottle in the next day...
Sometimes it take a pragmatist, to get the idealist to the end game, says the realist.
All of those "easy compromises" before we even got to the table.The problem is that many see things that we can work within where they don't really exist.
I don't know if they are fooling themselves or what.
But you already know that.
By the way, where is Jman8 anyway?
He'd be ALL OVER this topic.
I haven't seen him in awhile, I can understand taking a break though.
Pretty creepy to me...
I may be late to this thread, and unrelated to the debate of whether underage vaping should or should not be regulated, that ad is just plain creepy, and doesn't appeal to me as a vaper. It very much calls into question who they believe they are targeting with that ad, as I'm pretty sure most vapers, around here at least, would not be within the demographic that ad would appeal to.
Just out of curiosity, and not saying it's a good idea, but do you have anything that would prove it to be a bad idea? A worse idea than drinking a Pumpkin Spice latte(chocked full of "natural and artificial flavorings") per day?
I don't think there's been any research on those high amounts yet, but does pumping 30ml of viscous liquid into your lungs every day sound like a good idea?
eh, I'm a little biased, I don't do lung inhales. I chuck fairly decent clouds but I do the cigar, mouth only inhale. Also, think about it, if you're blowing huge clouds, the full 30ml obviously isn't staying in your lungs.
Like I said, it's not necessarily a good idea, but I dislike the implication that it MUST be a bad idea, without any data to support it.
Thank you for reminding me that I left out some well-meaning folks from the equation.
If everyone was an idealist we wouldn't need pragmatists...
Or realists...
IMHO, usually when a young looking woman is used in advertising, they are not targeting children.....they are targeting males, of all ages.
There were times when there were no data to support idea that inhalation of asbestos dust MUST be a bad idea. Now we know better.
There are a lot of chemicals that are much more harmful when inhaled in contrast to digesting. Lungs are delicate.
At least 50% of nicotine is absorbed. So, at least 50% of juice is staying in lungs (DL draw).
While the girl in the ad definitely looks to be of... questionable age, for an e-juice ad, I agree with what LMS62 said. She's an attractive girl, and looks like the over-eighteen-but-looks-15 classic "jailbait" (ew I hate that word) that so many advertising companies (and the Disney Channel) love so much. Good looking young women are used in advertising because they're an effective form of bait for both genders. To simplify it, they're aesthetically pleasing to pretty much everyone, so the ads they feature in lead to an increase in product sales and they and are hired for more advertising gigs and the cycle continues.
I also wouldn't say that the ad or a store being close to a school really counts as "marketing to children" either. There was a well-known brothel down the road from my school as I was growing up, but to my knowledge none of the preteen boys ever ventured in there. (They did knock on the door and run away giggling a lot, though.)
Obviously I find it concerning that kids with fresh babby virgin lungs are picking up vaping being they think it's "cool" and are uneducated about the various potential risks, and the sweet flavours of juice available increase the risk that kids will be attracted to it, but as far as I'm concerned as long as vendors continue to be reputable and refuse service to minors or any young person who can't produce acceptable identification, how and where they choose to advertise isn't an issue. Alcohol comes in sweet, sugary flavours too, but very few people villify it for "advertising to children" in the way people do with vaping.
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But also I'd like to point out that attractive, young women used in advertising shifts more products than adverts using unattractive women, regardless of which demographic the ad is aimed at. Even when you look at ads for plus-sized clothing or ads aimed at older women, the models chosen are always attractive and have younger-looking features. It plays on the subconscious desire of many women to retain their youthful, pretty looks. There's a sort of "If you buy this product, you can look like this" element to it even though we all know consciously that a new mascara isn't gonna take ten years off you.
I also wouldn't say that the ad or a store being close to a school really counts as "marketing to children" either. There was a well-known brothel down the road from my school as I was growing up, but to my knowledge none of the preteen boys ever ventured in there. (They did knock on the door and run away giggling a lot, though.)
Obviously I find it concerning that kids with fresh babby virgin lungs are picking up vaping being they think it's "cool" and are uneducated about the various potential risks, and the sweet flavours of juice available increase the risk that kids will be attracted to it, but as far as I'm concerned as long as vendors continue to be reputable and refuse service to minors or any young person who can't produce acceptable identification, how and where they choose to advertise isn't an issue. Alcohol comes in sweet, sugary flavours too, but very few people villify it for "advertising to children" in the way people do with vaping.
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In a way, yeah. Men buy those things for their partners and (in the case of makeup) daughters and friends, afterall. Hell, many men wear makeup.
But also I'd like to point out that attractive, young women used in advertising shifts more products than adverts using unattractive women, regardless of which demographic the ad is aimed at. Even when you look at ads for plus-sized clothing or ads aimed at older women, the models chosen are always attractive and have younger-looking features. It plays on the subconscious desire of many women to retain their youthful, pretty looks. There's a sort of "If you buy this product, you can look like this" element to it even though we all know consciously that a new mascara isn't gonna take ten years off you.
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Children are wards of their parents. Parents decide most things. I'm supporting that, not disputing it. Nobody should give or sell anything to any minor child if their parents might not approve. That goes for retailers the same as everybody else. That's been the common law forever. Let parents decide. Most jurisdictions that ban sales of ecigs to kids do not criminalize possession by kids. That detail is never mentioned. When was the last time a kid was arrested for smoking?
Everything our fearless leaders are doing about ecigs and kids ends up promoting tobacco use by making ecigs harder to get than cigarettes. May be they are so blind and so stupid they don't see that but I think they do see that so they must be evil, not stupid.
I can't help but wonder what a 15 year old "Jailbat" looks like. I really make too many typos to target others, but I just couldn't resist.
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