A word of warning to those that think we should only vape where smoking is allowed...
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wonder what took them so long.
these types of laws have been in effect around the country for quit some time. heck there are private companies here who will discipline people for smoking anywhere on the property.
these types of laws have been in effect around the country for quit some time. heck there are private companies here who will discipline people for smoking anywhere on the property.
If the people who live there are willing to give up personal freedom that is their choice. Who knows what freedom they will lose next. Personally I agree with Ben Franklin... "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
I visit several forums and what bothers me most about situations like this as well as other laws not related to vaping is on of my first questions to everyone complaining.
"did you let your congressman know how you feel?" so many people talk about their liberties being taken from them (not just here) and no one tries to actually do anything.
my friends annoy the crap out of me complaining while never taking action. these are elected officials and if enough people pile on and say we dont want this, and you need to change it or we will vote for someone who does. they WILL take action, they will not willingly give up their cushy jobs, and they will stand up when they feel their livelyhood going up in smoke.
start writing letters, emails, phone calls - if everyone did this we wouldnt be under the gun and maybe can get vaping a little more exempted from smoking laws.
"did you let your congressman know how you feel?" so many people talk about their liberties being taken from them (not just here) and no one tries to actually do anything.
my friends annoy the crap out of me complaining while never taking action. these are elected officials and if enough people pile on and say we dont want this, and you need to change it or we will vote for someone who does. they WILL take action, they will not willingly give up their cushy jobs, and they will stand up when they feel their livelyhood going up in smoke.
start writing letters, emails, phone calls - if everyone did this we wouldnt be under the gun and maybe can get vaping a little more exempted from smoking laws.
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But how is vaping in non-smoking areas going to change that? That's what I don't understand. Roughly 80% of the population is non-smoking. They are going to associate electronic cigarettes with actual cigarettes no matter what. For goodness sake, the word "cigarette" is in the name and is going to stay the common moniker despite our usage of PV on the forums. Most nonsmokers aren't going to care whether it is vapor or smoke. To them, they are seeing someone inhale something containing nicotine, and most importantly, exhaling it. Some people out there have common sense and can be talked to logically. The vast majority are not going to be okay with secondhand vapor until they are told the truth by the government or a leading health agency.
Chewing tobacco and snuff are smokeless and they are still part of the ban. By the same logic, will seeing someone use those in a non-smoking area make those county commissioners rethink the ban? People are well aware that those are not harming bystanders in any way, and yet they still want those products banned outdoors.
Vape wherever you wish, but I don't see the connection. If anything, I think rampant PV usage in indoor public places would only make the nonsmoking majority cry out for a ban on them. If I am right outside the entrance to my local Walmart, people have the same opportunity to see me use a PV and ask questions about it. I am still seen vaping in public, and mine do not look like cigarettes or have glowing LED's at the end, so people know I am not smoking a cigarette.
I am interested in both sides of the argument, though, so vapers who use them in non-smoking areas, please share your thoughts.
Chewing tobacco and snuff are smokeless and they are still part of the ban. By the same logic, will seeing someone use those in a non-smoking area make those county commissioners rethink the ban? People are well aware that those are not harming bystanders in any way, and yet they still want those products banned outdoors.
Vape wherever you wish, but I don't see the connection. If anything, I think rampant PV usage in indoor public places would only make the nonsmoking majority cry out for a ban on them. If I am right outside the entrance to my local Walmart, people have the same opportunity to see me use a PV and ask questions about it. I am still seen vaping in public, and mine do not look like cigarettes or have glowing LED's at the end, so people know I am not smoking a cigarette.
I am interested in both sides of the argument, though, so vapers who use them in non-smoking areas, please share your thoughts.
I'm not saying that vaping in a non-smoking area will change that, and I'm not saying it won't.
What I'm saying is if we don't all get involved and do something, pretty soon we'll only be allowed to vape in our own homes.
And even that is up for debate, since they have already made attempts to ban vaping in public housing.
We MUST make them stop treating vaping the same as smoking.
And it seems to me if WE act like vaping is the same as smoking, we're giving them permission to screw us.
I just want people to know where this is heading.
The Eroll is pretty amazing for stealthing. I stealth all over the place, as long as i hold it and breath nothing out no one ever seems to notice. My work wont allow it, and i basically chain in my office all day anyways 
Not to discount the issue at hand here, and i agree with others, we need more people fighting for the cause! There is a thread on here which I would think any vaper would partake in http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-fda-e-cigarettes-your-action-needed-now.html
Happy vaping
Not to discount the issue at hand here, and i agree with others, we need more people fighting for the cause! There is a thread on here which I would think any vaper would partake in http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-fda-e-cigarettes-your-action-needed-now.html
Happy vaping
I for one am going to my local city council to have them put in an exclusion NOW, to ALLOW e-cigs where we already have a smoking ban everywhere.
I am not using a tobacco product, that is why it confuses me so much as to why people want to refer to them as e-cigs. I use a personal vaporizer, so would argue that mine would be legal to use. I would probably lose the argument, but I would sure present it if someone told me no e-cigs. It looks nothing LIKE those e-cigs!
I think the most important thing, like Thrasher said, is contacting our officials. I just don't see the general public differentiating the two without some sort of official okay. That is something I should certainly do more of, though I have signed petitions and submitted comments to the FDA and filled out surveys after finding out about them on ECF.
I do vape in outdoor areas where smoking is banned. I just don't believe in indoor use without asking an establishment first.
My own sister, who tells me how proud she is that I switched, still doesn't let me vape in her car or home. She knows it's different and has seen first-hand my breathing get better and chronic cough go away, but she doesn't want my secondhand vapor near her. My SO, who vigorously defends my PV usage when my father asks "Are you ever going to quit that?", still wants me to roll down the window in the car and blow away from him. And this is a man who smokes cigars and watches me browse ECF all the time. He claims the vapor irritates his nose and throat. I'm inclined to believe he's just a hypochondriac, but I have to respect that. If I can't vape in an enclosed area around some of my loved ones, it's hard to justify vaping indoors around strangers.
I do vape in outdoor areas where smoking is banned. I just don't believe in indoor use without asking an establishment first.
My own sister, who tells me how proud she is that I switched, still doesn't let me vape in her car or home. She knows it's different and has seen first-hand my breathing get better and chronic cough go away, but she doesn't want my secondhand vapor near her. My SO, who vigorously defends my PV usage when my father asks "Are you ever going to quit that?", still wants me to roll down the window in the car and blow away from him. And this is a man who smokes cigars and watches me browse ECF all the time. He claims the vapor irritates his nose and throat. I'm inclined to believe he's just a hypochondriac, but I have to respect that. If I can't vape in an enclosed area around some of my loved ones, it's hard to justify vaping indoors around strangers.
I just never understood what gives local govt the right to make rules about county owned property as if it were their private property.
For crying out loud, we the free kin taxpayers own that land, own the parks, own the boat ramps etc... Why don't we get any say in the rules governing behavior there ?
For crying out loud, we the free kin taxpayers own that land, own the parks, own the boat ramps etc... Why don't we get any say in the rules governing behavior there ?
You do get a say every time there is an election. You do get a say every time you speak directly to your elected officals about an issue both within a public meeting or in a personal conversation. You get a say when you speak to others in your community to help them understand the truths about an issue and when you encourage them to speak up and become involved as you are. Do every one of your elected officials in your town and your state and your federal representatives know who you are by seeing your name and/or seeing your face ? If yes, wonderful
If not, then how can one expect their representatives to know what rules one wishes to be governed by or not governed by.
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I just don't feel like I should have to spend the time you demand in order to have the stewards of my tax dollars do what's right. The problem is that I work hard, have a family and don't have the time for such a utopian form of participatory democracy. Maybe when I'm retired. But please don't tell me that if I don't spend the remaining hours of my day, managing the govt, then I deserve whatever they choose to subject me to.
Voting ? I do it, but I really don't think it makes much of a difference. Really, the only thing most govt bodies listen to is money !
Voting ? I do it, but I really don't think it makes much of a difference. Really, the only thing most govt bodies listen to is money !
And Oregon was the first U.S. state to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of da seven leaf herb... Oh, da irony!
You want irony? How about Santa Cruz who (has in the past, at least) repeals thier "no smoking in public" law every April 20th for a pot festival.
Anyway - I'm fine with following the rules for smokers. I'm fine with not vaping anywhere there is no smoking allowed. If they ever completely banned cigarettes, I would be OK with them banning vaping, too. But if they try to ban vaping without banning smoking . . .that would be grounds for civil disobediance
Ok first things first, we need to as a community "Coin" a new term for Electronic Cigarettes that does not include the word Cigarette.
I like how the powers that be just lump the eCigs in there like congress slapping something totally unrelated to the back of a new bill or law; most times without the public knowing about it.
I like how the powers that be just lump the eCigs in there like congress slapping something totally unrelated to the back of a new bill or law; most times without the public knowing about it.
You want irony? How about Santa Cruz who (has in the past, at least) repeals thier "no smoking in public" law every April 20th for a pot festival.
Anyway - I'm fine with following the rules for smokers. I'm fine with not vaping anywhere there is no smoking allowed. If they ever completely banned cigarettes, I would be OK with them banning vaping, too. But if they try to ban vaping without banning smoking . . .that would be grounds for civil disobediance
Well Said!!! Thats what is B.S. The FDA knows cigaaretts are killing everyone. But lets go after Vaping. Deliberate B.S. Smart Logic there! I have decided personally, nobody will take vaping away from me!
You want irony? How about Santa Cruz who (has in the past, at least) repeals thier "no smoking in public" law every April 20th for a pot festival.
Anyway - I'm fine with following the rules for smokers. I'm fine with not vaping anywhere there is no smoking allowed. If they ever completely banned cigarettes, I would be OK with them banning vaping, too. But if they try to ban vaping without banning smoking . . .that would be grounds for civil disobediance
What sort of logic makes it cool with you for "them" to ban vaping ? On what grounds ?
Just wanted to add that at least at Amazon Indy1 Fullfillment Center, I work there seasonally, they changed their smoking code to include ecigs can only be used in designated smoking areas....where the smokers smoke. Apparently ecig use in non-designated areas was becoming a concern of the non-smokers so i was told and most likely higher ups as well....kinda a microcosm of our current uphill battle I guess. Quite frankly the 'smokerooms" are filled with second hand smoke so I don't even vape while there.
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