Question for those who think we should not vape where we can not smoke...

[EddardinWinter]

Yes. However, it still falls under "A" above...victim status. See?
It becomes civil disobedience. That usually has repercussions. It can provoke change.

However, in the case of e-cigs...it's complicated by the fact that your "right" to fill the air of others with stuff is not recognized...in a closed setting. :/

I would argue a ventilated indoor space is not closed. A properly ventilated space should create many complete air changes per hour.



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[zoiDman]

Thank you. I truly appreciate your honesty.



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No Problem...

I subscribe to that Glass Houses ... Throwing Stones thing.

At least most of the Time.

 

[EddardinWinter]

No Problem...

I subscribe to that Glass Houses ... Throwing Stones thing.

At least most of the Time.

I have gone overboard once or twice, too...



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[Jman8]

I can think of NOTHING that will Ensure the Prompt and Probably Excessive Enactment of e-Cigarette Bans more than this type of Action.

It also brings into the Question the "A" Word.

If by "A" word you mean Antis, then that would be, IMO, the most logical assurance for excessive enactments of ecig bans.

I currently cannot think of anything more damaging to the eCig industry and freedoms enjoyed by all vapers than the anti-vaper and/or what we lovingly refer to as ANTZ.

 

[Robino1]

If by "A" word you mean Antis, then that would be, IMO, the most logical assurance for excessive enactments of eCig bans.

I currently cannot think of anything more damaging to the eCig industry and freedoms enjoyed by all vapers than the anti-vaper and/or what we lovingly refer to as ANTZ.

I think Zoid uses the "A" to signify the word addiction. At least that's how I've read it in his posts....

 

[Jman8]

You were the one who Asked if I was willing to see how to Help the Vaping Community.



Now you are asking Me to Explain things to you?

I am asking you to explain the logic to yourself. Pretend like you can see the other side of the argument and present it.

I didn't ask, "would you like me to show it to you?"

If I had, then your response would make sense.

Just one more round of you letting me know, in some fashion, that you'd rather not be the person to explain it, and I'll be all too happy to explain it.

 

[generic mutant]

I would argue a ventilated indoor space is not closed. A properly ventilated space should create many complete air changes per hour.

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In this instance, shouldn't it be up to the property owner?

I thought you libertarian types were quite big on that?

 

[zoiDman]

Question: Are these debates really making each other see things any differently?

The only thing that I can see happening is a fairly new vaper being educated to what is happening in our little world, in regards to legislation.

I guess that would be the main point of these threads? I see the same people, with their same stances, not being swayed toward either side.

What's Funny about these Threads is I don't think the Participants Views get Swayed Much. If It all. But who may get Swayed, one way or another, are Many of the People who aren't Posting here.

I can't tell you how many times I have received PM's from members saying that they Agreed, or sometimes Dis-Agreed, with things that I have posted but that they Didn't feel comfortable Jumping into a Heated or Controversial Thread.

I think Everyone has an Opinion on a Topic. But Many Times they do not feel Comfortable Posting theirs on a Public Forum. Especially if theirs runs counter from the Majority View. Or if they feel Outnumbered.

 

[Jman8]

I think Zoid uses the "A" to signify the word addiction. At least that's how I've read it in his posts....

Yeah, I knew that. Just enjoying the dance.

 

[Robino1]

What's Funny about these Threads is I don't think the Participants Views get Swayed Much. If It all. But who may get Swayed, one way or another, are Many of the People who aren't Posting here.

I can't tell you how many times I have received PM's from members saying that they Agreed, or sometimes Dis-Agreed, with things that I have posted but that they Didn't feel comfortable Jumping into a Heated or Controversial Thread.

I think Everyone has an Opinion on a Topic. But Many Times they do not feel Comfortable Posting theirs on a Public Forum. Especially if theirs runs counter from the Majority View. Or if they feel Outnumbered.

Yeah, I can understand that outnumbered feeling.
It also helps if one has familiarity, with the posters posting, to go ahead and jump into these debates

 

[zoiDman]

I am asking you to explain the logic to yourself. Pretend like you can see the other side of the argument and present it.

I didn't ask, "would you like me to show it to you?"

If I had, then your response would make sense.

Just one more round of you letting me know, in some fashion, that you'd rather not be the person to explain it, and I'll be all too happy to explain it.

Gotcha.

So you want me to Pretend like my views Aren't my Views and then to Present them here in this thread.

Dude, I think you got too many Shrooms on your Pizza Last Night.

 

[Robino1]

Yeah, I knew that. Just enjoying the dance.

Didn't mean to stop the music.....carry on....

 

[generic mutant]

Yeah, I can understand that outnumbered feeling.
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Ha! No, you're right. This place is a hotbed of leftist radicalism.

 

[Caridwen]

Topic has run it's course.

 

[Caridwen]

Ha! No, you're right. This place is a hotbed of leftist radicalism.