My head isn't all stuffed up at night when I'm trying to sleep and my sense of smell it getting better
That's good ....... um... most the time
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My head isn't all stuffed up at night when I'm trying to sleep and my sense of smell it getting better
That's good ....... um... most the time
Trumpybloke,
Start your own retail business and I bet you change your tune about how much markup is too much. Yes some are ripping people off, but 100% is not too much. IMO any less and you're risking not staying in business.
What you don't consider in the cost of the juice is repackaging. The cost of the packaging and the time it takes to fill them. I bet resellers are paying more for the smaller bottles than they're paying for the juice.
Start your own retail business and I bet you change your tune about how much markup is too much. Yes some are ripping people off, but 100% is not too much. IMO any less and you're risking not staying in business.
What you don't consider in the cost of the juice is repackaging. The cost of the packaging and the time it takes to fill them. I bet resellers are paying more for the smaller bottles than they're paying for the juice.
Bit of a goof there, Myk. Agree with all your points about retailers markups, repackaging costs (if you have the nerve for handling the stuff at all) etc...
BUT - poor Trumpy lives in Australia. In Victoria in Australia. Read some of the posts including his on the 'instant ban' topics and you may realise why your comments about setting up his own small business is a little salt into big, open, painful wound right now.
Some of my own early posts look slightly embarassing now that I've been around here a little longer - look around first, post later is what I've told myself more than once now.
Not intending this as a ticking-off, more of a heads-up. Hope you'll enjoy the forum as much as I do.
BUT - poor Trumpy lives in Australia. In Victoria in Australia. Read some of the posts including his on the 'instant ban' topics and you may realise why your comments about setting up his own small business is a little salt into big, open, painful wound right now.
Some of my own early posts look slightly embarassing now that I've been around here a little longer - look around first, post later is what I've told myself more than once now.
Not intending this as a ticking-off, more of a heads-up. Hope you'll enjoy the forum as much as I do.
Sorry, there are a lot of posts in here, so it may have been mentioned somewhere, but a lot of the mark-up has to do with replacing faulty parts. The Chinese manufacturers will just ship you the products. As far as I know, they will not supply you with any free replacement parts. The replacement batteries, atomizers and cartridges are all at the cost of the seller, and we all know that this happens often with currect-gen e-cigs.
I think that is one of the reason why some of the sellers with a bad rep for poor customer service do not respond to emails asking for replacement parts, etc. They got into the business because they saw potential for a huge mark-up. All the replacement parts and e-cig failures risk turning that into quite a modest profit, so they just don't reply. That's one of the reasons it is so important to do business with an honest company.
I think that is one of the reason why some of the sellers with a bad rep for poor customer service do not respond to emails asking for replacement parts, etc. They got into the business because they saw potential for a huge mark-up. All the replacement parts and e-cig failures risk turning that into quite a modest profit, so they just don't reply. That's one of the reasons it is so important to do business with an honest company.
Bit of a goof there, Myk. Agree with all your points about retailers markups, repackaging costs (if you have the nerve for handling the stuff at all) etc...
BUT - poor Trumpy lives in Australia. In Victoria in Australia. Read some of the posts including his on the 'instant ban' topics and you may realise why your comments about setting up his own small business is a little salt into big, open, painful wound right now.
Some of my own early posts look slightly embarassing now that I've been around here a little longer - look around first, post later is what I've told myself more than once now.
Not intending this as a ticking-off, more of a heads-up. Hope you'll enjoy the forum as much as I do.
Nobody can or should be expected to search every post someone has made before replying to them. I did not say he should set up a retail e-cig business, I know that is not possible in AU.
If a business doesn't profit they don't stay in business. For the small amount of customers something like e-cigs has they need what they need to make it worthwhile to stay in business. If we want the distributors to stay around we cannot deny them a profit. That is my point.
If someone is importing electronics and perishables and testing/repackaging them 100% is not too much to ask.
If they're importing a lot big enough to get wholesale they are risking being stuck with 10,000 e-cigs that get insta-banned like in AU.
I also noticed Trumpybloke is in AU, which only caused me more question about his problem with 100% markup since I know a compound bow that retails for $500US here can easily go for $1000US there. It doesn't matter if it's a (the) UK manufacture or one of the US manufactures.
If I was in AU I would be questioning the cost of everything, importing can't add that much.
Right now I'm reading to learn about e-cigs so I'm prepared when my package shows up (which is why "side effects" drew me to this thread). I'm not trying to learn the personalities and career choices of the 2500 members. Sorry. Maybe later I will.
trumpy,
i can only assume that you are refering to the argument that myself and me old mate fedor was having about the EVO.........correct me if i am wrong. i felt that the guy was deliberately knocking the product whilst promoting his own favourite without even knowing anything about the EVO, let alone using one. i cant help who i am and i wouldnt change for the sake of fitting in with other users who would sit by and do nothing.
as for your post, well i kinda think you are living in cloud cuckoo land! of course businesses will put a mark up on the products that they sell..........thats why it is called a "business". you seem to be under the impression that all businesses should operate like a non profit making charity by selling products at the same price as they pay for them. seeing as you want to be such a good citizen then why dont you buy in bulk on the deals that you mention and then sell them off on the forum at the same price? maybe then you would realise that working for nothing aint much fun and wont pay your bills! on the other hand you would instantly become the pioneer of non profit making e-cig sales and become a worldwide success. lead by example is the phrase that springs to mind. prior to re training as a plasterer, i was a manager for the largest chain of optitians in the UK. we would purchase designer frames for less than £5.00 and then sell them for over £300. the lenses we purchased cost less than £0.75 yet we sold them for between £60 and £500. i dont even want to try and calculate how much of a percantage that is! maybe you should start your crusade with them 1st!
the whole point im making is that businesses are there to make money.........full stop. its down to the consumer to make that decision as to whether they want o pay the price. every single customer in the world has the right to say "no, im not prepared to pay that." they then also have a choice to go and search for the cheaper product. hell, they can even go and by in bulk by the thousands to really save themselves money on a individual product. but the vast majority wont, simply because they accept that they have a choice of purchase or dont purchase. there is no gun held to the back of their head.
you are correct when saying that people are tapping into the e-cig market. if i had the financial backing then it is something that i would do too! and what is wrong with that? more companies who sell these products means more competition. more competition means lower prices and higher quality customer service, thus inevitably getting prices nearer to what you think is acceptable. eventually this market will get swamped by hundreds, even thousands of regular guys like me and you who see it as a niche market with a quick buck to be made. there will be good ones, there will be bad ones. the key here is longevity. the bad ones will eventually be filtered out because of inferior products and bad customer service leaving the good ones left to grow and expand into strong reliable sellers. so the consumer wins in the long run and the shysters get shafted!
you say about companies on here using clever marketing but i cant help but feel that maybe you are trying to be a bit clever too! your post suggests that you are the peoples person, a crusader of good service and fair price. you then mention that you like the screwdriver but feel it is overpriced. you then continue to say that you are currently developing a new e-cig and that it will be a better design.
i would say that that is a excellant marketing startegy! you gain the peoples trust by saying that you feel their pain with regards to the cost the poor guys must pay for their e-cigs. you then inadvertanty mention a product that you praise (thus making the people believe it is good) but say it is overpriced. and then you finish the strategy by mentioning a new product "coming soon" made by yourself. to further gain the peoples trust you mention that you are fully experienced in battery technology, therefore leading them to believe that the product will be made to a high quality.
dont get me wrong, i am NOT suggesting that you are a seller in disguise but IF you were it would be an excellant strategy! but, i wouldnt be surprised if in the future we will see a new e-cig called "the TrumpStump" or something similar! lol
to further add to your post, yes without a shadow of a doubt a lot of companies will serve the consumer a load of old bollocks about how the product they sell is superior to what another company sells. im sure they will also say about travelling the world to source superior parts.
sometimes though mate, i might just be true!
the bigger companies, even some of the smaller companies WILL send out people to find cheaper and more reliable parts. again, thats part of a business isnt it!?
anyway, ive got to go give the kids a bath.
let battle commence!
i can only assume that you are refering to the argument that myself and me old mate fedor was having about the EVO.........correct me if i am wrong. i felt that the guy was deliberately knocking the product whilst promoting his own favourite without even knowing anything about the EVO, let alone using one. i cant help who i am and i wouldnt change for the sake of fitting in with other users who would sit by and do nothing.
as for your post, well i kinda think you are living in cloud cuckoo land! of course businesses will put a mark up on the products that they sell..........thats why it is called a "business". you seem to be under the impression that all businesses should operate like a non profit making charity by selling products at the same price as they pay for them. seeing as you want to be such a good citizen then why dont you buy in bulk on the deals that you mention and then sell them off on the forum at the same price? maybe then you would realise that working for nothing aint much fun and wont pay your bills! on the other hand you would instantly become the pioneer of non profit making e-cig sales and become a worldwide success. lead by example is the phrase that springs to mind. prior to re training as a plasterer, i was a manager for the largest chain of optitians in the UK. we would purchase designer frames for less than £5.00 and then sell them for over £300. the lenses we purchased cost less than £0.75 yet we sold them for between £60 and £500. i dont even want to try and calculate how much of a percantage that is! maybe you should start your crusade with them 1st!
the whole point im making is that businesses are there to make money.........full stop. its down to the consumer to make that decision as to whether they want o pay the price. every single customer in the world has the right to say "no, im not prepared to pay that." they then also have a choice to go and search for the cheaper product. hell, they can even go and by in bulk by the thousands to really save themselves money on a individual product. but the vast majority wont, simply because they accept that they have a choice of purchase or dont purchase. there is no gun held to the back of their head.
you are correct when saying that people are tapping into the e-cig market. if i had the financial backing then it is something that i would do too! and what is wrong with that? more companies who sell these products means more competition. more competition means lower prices and higher quality customer service, thus inevitably getting prices nearer to what you think is acceptable. eventually this market will get swamped by hundreds, even thousands of regular guys like me and you who see it as a niche market with a quick buck to be made. there will be good ones, there will be bad ones. the key here is longevity. the bad ones will eventually be filtered out because of inferior products and bad customer service leaving the good ones left to grow and expand into strong reliable sellers. so the consumer wins in the long run and the shysters get shafted!
you say about companies on here using clever marketing but i cant help but feel that maybe you are trying to be a bit clever too! your post suggests that you are the peoples person, a crusader of good service and fair price. you then mention that you like the screwdriver but feel it is overpriced. you then continue to say that you are currently developing a new e-cig and that it will be a better design.
i would say that that is a excellant marketing startegy! you gain the peoples trust by saying that you feel their pain with regards to the cost the poor guys must pay for their e-cigs. you then inadvertanty mention a product that you praise (thus making the people believe it is good) but say it is overpriced. and then you finish the strategy by mentioning a new product "coming soon" made by yourself. to further gain the peoples trust you mention that you are fully experienced in battery technology, therefore leading them to believe that the product will be made to a high quality.
dont get me wrong, i am NOT suggesting that you are a seller in disguise but IF you were it would be an excellant strategy! but, i wouldnt be surprised if in the future we will see a new e-cig called "the TrumpStump" or something similar! lol
to further add to your post, yes without a shadow of a doubt a lot of companies will serve the consumer a load of old bollocks about how the product they sell is superior to what another company sells. im sure they will also say about travelling the world to source superior parts.
sometimes though mate, i might just be true!
the bigger companies, even some of the smaller companies WILL send out people to find cheaper and more reliable parts. again, thats part of a business isnt it!?
anyway, ive got to go give the kids a bath.
let battle commence!
Cheers guys LOL and there is no way I am a supplier, and even if I was going to ( which I wasnt) Now I would be a peddler of a class 7 poison and be liable to the same penalties as a ....... seller !!!
I fully believe the concept of modern business is to charge what the consumer can afford, or in the case of an addiction MORE than they can afford...
All my postings were simply a wake up call to consumers , to say they should actually question the value of " Service" over "value for money"
I think up to 100% markup is fair .... however as mentioned in my previous post, things like liquid selling for $30 when its original value was $3-$4... and lets see packaging --- bulk bottles from china are a few cents, labels allow another 0.20 odd cents each for fancy printed ones ordered in bulk ... so lets say total cost US$6 ---you are still talking a huge markup.... I am not saying and never have that retailers shouldn't do this, all my postings were designed to say to us ( the consumer reading about our hobby/addiction/ whatever you want to call it) "Hey , maybe we should at least question the prices we are paying for these things , in a global economy we have options"
I apologise to any retailers I may have put out, but it was all about what I see these forums for , a little fun, and some education value thrown in for good measure.
I hope the New Year is treating you well and "tis the season of peace "
Oh and if I was after a compound bow I would import it if a local retailer could not come good... but before I did , I would say to said retailer, " Hey I am thinking about model so-and-so, I notice you have it for $1000... I figure I can import it for whatever, how close are you gonna go??" I ALWAYS give local retailers the chance, if they show interest in dealing , then great , if they dont, then I can guilt-free go offshore.
Igetcha--- there is no new design, I have only talked about making one for myself lol like several forum member had ... hell if I made it rest assured it would be too ugly to market !!! I was just saying with my other hobby ( electric aeromodelling) I have access to supplies of high discharge and capacity li-poly batts and their specialist chargers.
So I will plainly state --- I A NOT A SUPPLIER , MANUFACTURER, HOT DOG VENDOR OR SCHILL LOL
As for battles, on this , there will be none, sorry to disappoint you , I agree with everything in your posts ( except for me being what I am not) and I agree with your rights to say them , All I was simply doing was expressing MY views on the retailing of our products , I have been in business in a former life ( NOTHING to do with e-cigs )
I know how it works, I also know its only fair as a consumer to call a retailer out , and not just assume they are doing great things , just because they throw you a battery you have well and truly already paid for , under warranty.
LIke I said , I want no battle here on these boards, I feel I will have enough in real life to deal with coming up .
( Oh and yes I do consider myself a "peoples person" and am very proud of that , anyone in real life knows me as a bit of a crusader lol but I guess in this day and age everyone will look for the catch in things , sad indictment of the world though that we are )
By the way I like the "TRUMPSTUMP " idea -- you may have the full rights to it as I wont be using it lol Please make sure it is stylish , has at least a 3000maH li-poly battery, and possibly has a picture of me on the end as a tribute to my forthcoming mental breakdown !!!
P.S. I dont wear glasses but possibly will and there is no way in hell I will be paying a thousand pounds for them LMAO
I fully believe the concept of modern business is to charge what the consumer can afford, or in the case of an addiction MORE than they can afford...
All my postings were simply a wake up call to consumers , to say they should actually question the value of " Service" over "value for money"
I think up to 100% markup is fair .... however as mentioned in my previous post, things like liquid selling for $30 when its original value was $3-$4... and lets see packaging --- bulk bottles from china are a few cents, labels allow another 0.20 odd cents each for fancy printed ones ordered in bulk ... so lets say total cost US$6 ---you are still talking a huge markup.... I am not saying and never have that retailers shouldn't do this, all my postings were designed to say to us ( the consumer reading about our hobby/addiction/ whatever you want to call it) "Hey , maybe we should at least question the prices we are paying for these things , in a global economy we have options"
I apologise to any retailers I may have put out, but it was all about what I see these forums for , a little fun, and some education value thrown in for good measure.
I hope the New Year is treating you well and "tis the season of peace "
Oh and if I was after a compound bow I would import it if a local retailer could not come good... but before I did , I would say to said retailer, " Hey I am thinking about model so-and-so, I notice you have it for $1000... I figure I can import it for whatever, how close are you gonna go??" I ALWAYS give local retailers the chance, if they show interest in dealing , then great , if they dont, then I can guilt-free go offshore.
Igetcha--- there is no new design, I have only talked about making one for myself lol like several forum member had ... hell if I made it rest assured it would be too ugly to market !!! I was just saying with my other hobby ( electric aeromodelling) I have access to supplies of high discharge and capacity li-poly batts and their specialist chargers.
So I will plainly state --- I A NOT A SUPPLIER , MANUFACTURER, HOT DOG VENDOR OR SCHILL LOL
As for battles, on this , there will be none, sorry to disappoint you , I agree with everything in your posts ( except for me being what I am not) and I agree with your rights to say them , All I was simply doing was expressing MY views on the retailing of our products , I have been in business in a former life ( NOTHING to do with e-cigs
)I know how it works, I also know its only fair as a consumer to call a retailer out , and not just assume they are doing great things , just because they throw you a battery you have well and truly already paid for , under warranty.
LIke I said , I want no battle here on these boards, I feel I will have enough in real life to deal with coming up .
( Oh and yes I do consider myself a "peoples person" and am very proud of that , anyone in real life knows me as a bit of a crusader lol but I guess in this day and age everyone will look for the catch in things , sad indictment of the world though that we are )
By the way I like the "TRUMPSTUMP " idea -- you may have the full rights to it as I wont be using it lol Please make sure it is stylish , has at least a 3000maH li-poly battery, and possibly has a picture of me on the end as a tribute to my forthcoming mental breakdown !!!
P.S. I dont wear glasses but possibly will and there is no way in hell I will be paying a thousand pounds for them LMAO
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Been vaping for a few weeks now and my gas is no smellier. Am i e-smoking incorrectly? In a percentage of smellyness how much more smelly would you say your gas is?
I bet it's because you can actually smell now that you've stopped smoking.
I bet it's because you can actually smell now that you've stopped smoking.
Cheers guys LOL and there is no way I am a supplier, and even if I was going to ( which I wasnt) Now I would be a peddler of a class 7 poison and be liable to the same penalties as a ....... seller !!!
I fully believe the concept of modern business is to charge what the consumer can afford, or in the case of an addiction MORE than they can afford...
All my postings were simply a wake up call to consumers , to say they should actually question the value of " Service" over "value for money"
I think up to 100% markup is fair .... however as mentioned in my previous post, things like liquid selling for $30 when its original value was $3-$4... and lets see packaging --- bulk bottles from china are a few cents, labels allow another 0.20 odd cents each for fancy printed ones ordered in bulk ... so lets say total cost US$6 ---you are still talking a huge markup.... I am not saying and never have that retailers shouldn't do this, all my postings were designed to say to us ( the consumer reading about our hobby/addiction/ whatever you want to call it) "Hey , maybe we should at least question the prices we are paying for these things , in a global economy we have options"
I apologise to any retailers I may have put out, but it was all about what I see these forums for , a little fun, and some education value thrown in for good measure.
I hope the New Year is treating you well and "tis the season of peace "
Oh and if I was after a compound bow I would import it if a local retailer could not come good... but before I did , I would say to said retailer, " Hey I am thinking about model so-and-so, I notice you have it for $1000... I figure I can import it for whatever, how close are you gonna go??" I ALWAYS give local retailers the chance, if they show interest in dealing , then great , if they dont, then I can guilt-free go offshore.
Igetcha--- there is no new design, I have only talked about making one for myself lol like several forum member had ... hell if I made it rest assured it would be too ugly to market !!! I was just saying with my other hobby ( electric aeromodelling) I have access to supplies of high discharge and capacity li-poly batts and their specialist chargers.
So I will plainly state --- I A NOT A SUPPLIER , MANUFACTURER, HOT DOG VENDOR OR SCHILL LOL
As for battles, on this , there will be none, sorry to disappoint you , I agree with everything in your posts ( except for me being what I am not) and I agree with your rights to say them , All I was simply doing was expressing MY views on the retailing of our products , I have been in business in a former life ( NOTHING to do with e-cigs
I know how it works, I also know its only fair as a consumer to call a retailer out , and not just assume they are doing great things , just because they throw you a battery you have well and truly already paid for , under warranty.
LIke I said , I want no battle here on these boards, I feel I will have enough in real life to deal with coming up .
( Oh and yes I do consider myself a "peoples person" and am very proud of that , anyone in real life knows me as a bit of a crusader lol but I guess in this day and age everyone will look for the catch in things , sad indictment of the world though that we are )
By the way I like the "TRUMPSTUMP " idea -- you may have the full rights to it as I wont be using it lol Please make sure it is stylish , has at least a 3000maH li-poly battery, and possibly has a picture of me on the end as a tribute to my forthcoming mental breakdown !!!
P.S. I dont wear glasses but possibly will and there is no way in hell I will be paying a thousand pounds for them LMAO
no worries here mate, all good fun!
It really all depends on the industry. I am not too familiar with the e-cig industry beyond the massively high rate of product failure, but that alone would have to drive up the profit margin to make it viable to distribute.
I am a goldsmith, and if I make something that sells for the set retail cost, it is generally around a 4000% mark-up. But, what is significant about that industry is all the discounting, and how many hands it goes through to reach end-user. Discounts happen often and in high volume to move product, and there can be up to 3x more hands that touch it before it reaches the end wearer than most other production industries. It's just not really possible to set a percent mark-up in stone that works across all industries. 100%, however, is usually the lowest amount of profit a product can have and still be viable.
Where are you located? I'm also a goldsmith and my wholesale prices are priced to stay competitive for the retailer with 100%, my retail sales are 100%. Any more I'm out of business and any less isn't worth the risk except on high end items.
It's been like that everywhere I've worked and with everyone I've known in the business.
You must not sell much trying to get $4000 for a .10ct diamond or charging $40 for a jump ring.
Unless you're somewhere like LA it sounds like your area needs some competition.
LOL jack ... that's what it works out at if you import 2X 1.2 litre bottles from the manufacturers web portal.... Not that I will be doing that now as I am already a criminal in Australia
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