"Clones" are actually the REAL THING

[Prometheus72]

my thoughts. I feel that the ONLY way these clones are actual 1:1 "copies" is that they are actually the real deal. I am willing to be that the designers of the King, Nemesis, and Chi You for example are actually selling the design to fasttech to make more money over more sales while still offering their own at high end prices. I think they'd be fools not to do this, and with new models being cloned even before the actual model is released just furthers to convince me that these Chinese "Knock Offs" are actually the real thing being mass produced by designed provided by the designers themselves.

This goes for rba/rda's as well. The Trident for example is exactly the same 1:1 as the real one. The Kraken clone...same thing...exact copy. It's just far too convenient to call them clones when they are exact 1:1 as the supposed "real deal" item.

There...I've said it.

The "clones" are actually the real thing.

 

[minimalsaint]

Oh, boy.
Hang on tight.

 

[emus]

IBM may not agree.

 

[Myrany]

Masssive hurricane impact of fecal matter coming in 3......2.......1.......

 

[Arnie H]

my thoughts. I feel that the ONLY way these clones are actual 1:1 "copies" is that they are actually the real deal. I am willing to be that the designers of the King, Nemesis, and Chi You for example are actually selling the design to FastTech to make more money over more sales while still offering their own at high end prices. I think they'd be fools not to do this, and with new models being cloned even before the actual model is released just furthers to convince me that these Chinese "Knock Offs" are actually the real thing being mass produced by designed provided by the designers themselves.

This goes for RBA/RDA's as well. The Trident for example is exactly the same 1:1 as the real one. The Kraken clone...same thing...exact copy. It's just far too convenient to call them clones when they are exact 1:1 as the supposed "real deal" item.

There...I've said it.

The "clones" are actually the real thing.

There may be some truth to this. I would not be surprised. Hehe

 

[WillyZee]

Clones are just knocked off remakes of the real thing ... if you held them both at the same time ... the weight and quality of material would likely convince you which item was the real deal.

Same applies to knockoffs of products outside of vaping too ... same 1 to 1 specs, just cheaper material and craftsmanship

 

[ch1naski]

Let it be, then. I'll buy the clones, and live with the fact that I didn't pay for the "real deal". As long as the quality is there, I'm ok with the practice of double-dipping. In fact, I appreciate it.

Curt.

 

[Burnie]

Vape On

 

[generic mutant]

I would imagine with computer controlled machining, and a thing for scanning a part (Lasers? Sound? God knows...), you can replicate an indistinguishable to the naked eye copy of pretty much any shaped block of metal you can imagine, in a matter of minutes.

This is becoming a massive industry. They will have very clever people using very expensive toys.

 

[Prometheus72]

Clones are just knocked off remakes of the real thing ... if you held them both at the same time ... the weight and quality of material would likely convince you which item was the real deal.

Same applies to knockoffs of products outside of vaping too ... same 1 to 1 specs, just cheaper material and craftsmanship

You obviously have not held a real and clone Nemesis or Chi You side by side

 

[Thrasher]

I think it depends on the mod.

when a new mod or atty comes out and a week later(sometimes even less) china has a 1:1 copy that tells you someones been using cheap labor it may not have the same exact tube but it shows theres already a design drawing laying around the shop.

yet other mods have been out forever and when china attempts to make a copy it isnt even close. the poldiac and roller are two perfect examples. they keep trying but you can spot the clones of these on the other side of the room.

I am thinking at this point many of the Asian and Philippine mods are in fact produced by chinese shops. it is the only way they could actually surpass the performance of an original design by just adjusting a few areas.

 

[Amiaji]

Vapor Joes had a post about this just a few days ago. All makers might not be doing this but it seems likely that some are.

THE CLONE RUSE

 

[Dj Xy]

I was going to post something like this myself but............................

That being said, I have held a Chi you, and its clone side by side and they are identical, I am going to order the clone myself.

 

[Thrasher]

I was going to post something like this myself but............................

That being said, I have held a Chi you, and its clone side by side and they are identical, I am going to order the clone myself.

mmm zoo meds, they are awesome with cocktail sauce.

 

[FringeChief68]

I just figured if their ad had the name like Nemesis Style or Nemesis Clone they would have to pay who ever owns the copy rights.
Or sometimes the company them self realizes some people can't afford the real thing so they use a different company, that they own, to produce a cheaper one.

This might be why you don't see ProVari clone on Fasttech, ProVape won't sale the Copy Rights.

I said something like this on this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/488800-i-must-state.html

 

[Sickkboy]

I haven't got a chance to hold any "real deal" myself to compare with clone as the price is out of my range budget, but I'm happy with the clone

 

[smillett_vox]

Mind...blown.

So if your concerned about mod makers selling out, just buy a mod that hasn't been cloned ever. Simple! Try a Vanilla or something like that. I've never seen a clone of those. Do some deep research and find a mod you like. That's how I found my Moon G3. I just kept looking until I found something I liked for a good price. I mean it's a one man operation and he uses a manual lathe to make them and that's it lol. It's about as backwoods as it gets. Anyway I see what you mean though, it just doesn't make sense why they would sell their designs to mass producers and wholesalers when they sell a run of a thousand for like $300 a piece in less than 48 hours.

 

[generic mutant]

The high price is partly a function of their rarity. They're called Veblen goods, and often made in artificially limited runs. If they sold more, they'd be less valuable.

But that doesn't mean they're also mass producing them under a different label.

They might be. Who can say? You have no evidence except that they're a) out really quickly and b) pretty much indistinguishable sometimes. It only takes one copy of a preproduction one or a schematic to get to the right place, and I'm sure they can be churning out dead ringers by the tens of thousands in a matter of days. These aren't space ships, they're little round lumps of metal...

 

[Kataphraktos]

Let it be, then. I'll buy the clones, and live with the fact that I didn't pay for the "real deal". As long as the quality is there, I'm ok with the practice of double-dipping. In fact, I appreciate it.

Curt.

Nice guitar. You don't mind if I "borrow" all your music and use it to make a living? I'm just double dipping. I'm OK with that. In fact, I appreciate it. Thanks!

I criticize such comments only because there are perfectly good cheap mods that do not steal from the designs of others, and in fact have their own innovative design and aesthetic. No excuse for supporting thieves with so many good, reliable devices in the $40-$80 range out there.

 

[Thrasher]

The high price is partly a function of their rarity. They're called Veblen goods. If they sold more, they'd be less valuable.

But that doesn't mean they're also mass producing them under a different label.

They might be. Who can say? You have no evidence except that they're a) out really quickly and b) pretty much indistinguishable sometimes. It only takes one copy of a preproduction one or a schematic to get to the right place, and I'm sure they can be churning out dead ringers in a matter of days. These aren't space ships, they're little round lumps of metal...

yea but as VJ and a few others have noted - china is slipping up and presenting clones where the real mod is still awaiting release lol