Real Nemesis vs the FT Nemesis Clone

[crxess]

Same manufacturer on Nemesis for hcigar/Nemesis and likely Tobaco
Polished - Tobaco
Brushed - FT/HCigar

I purchased several 12w kicks from FT. Glad I did as I do not do much with sub ohm setups and the Kicks pick up the slack nicely.
I adjust the Bottom pin to allow the the Kick ring. I refuse to have a Nemesis standing without the ring.

I Purchased N-R-N (Ready wires) from Stormy's and fasttech. fasttech is much better on pricing, but the wires are almost to short to work with.
Wires from Stormy's are much longer on the N legs and work fine.
Once you get an Ithaka set up decent it can be weeks before needing any service. <<<Than I like.

 

[rodsky77]

Same manufacturer on Nemesis for HCigar/Nemesis and likely Tobaco
Polished - Tobaco
Brushed - FT/HCigar

I purchased several 12w kicks from FT. Glad I did as I do not do much with sub ohm setups and the Kicks pick up the slack nicely.
I adjust the Bottom pin to allow the the Kick ring. I refuse to have a Nemesis standing without the ring.

I Purchased N-R-N (Ready wires) from Stormy's and Fasttech. Fasttech is much better on pricing, but the wires are almost to short to work with.
Wires from Stormy's are much longer on the N legs and work fine.
Once you get an Ithaka set up decent it can be weeks before needing any service. <<<Than I like.

Will have to give the Ithaka clone a shot, and get some pre-made wires - can't get a soldering gun as well for all this - my wife is already looking at me like I'm nuts with all these stainless steel tubes , batteries, atties, wires, wicks, DIY juices, etc - she's ready to move me into the basement.....

 

[levisdaddy]

i have a gg ithaka that i won here on ecf, i use ready wires from stormys. i think the 1.8? dual coil at .9 is perfect on a mech.

to respond the the previous posts, does FT and VB have the exact same nem vw??

 

[spaceman84]

Based on various reviews and posts here, and also my own experience with an hcigar nemesis clone, I wouldn't even bother with the fasttech version. For $50 for the hcigar clone you don't have to worry about any defects or wait 3-4 weeks for shipping.

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[crxess]

Based on various reviews and posts here, and also my own experience with an hcigar nemesis clone, I wouldn't even bother with the fasttech version. For $50 for the hcigar clone you don't have to worry about any defects or wait 3-4 weeks for shipping.

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Okay.............
They are the Same Mod from the Same Machining company only the Retail vs. direct Price is different.

 

[muzichead]

Okay.............
They are the Same Mod from the Same Machining company only the Retail vs. direct Price is different.

I have seen you post this info on more than one occasion now. There have been seveal people that own both and say there are differences. Can you please show us the info you have as to show they are from the exact same manufacturer? Sounds like another lavatube situation again!! It took about 2 months for everyone to understand those came from about 3 different manufacturers. Again, could you shed some light on this information you have?

 

[rodsky77]

i have a gg ithaka that i won here on ecf, i use ready wires from stormys. i think the 1.8? dual coil at .9 is perfect on a mech.

to respond the the previous posts, does FT and VB have the exact same nem vw??

You may be better off getting the hcigar nemesis from a local supplier. It will cost you $20 more, but it will come in a nice box and you will not have any issues with getting a replacement if something is not right. FastTech also does replacements and refunds, but they take a very long time - it can take them up to 2 weeks to resolve an issue and then you'll have to wait 2 to 4 weeks for a replacement. This is the price you pay for their lower prices on merchandise.

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[EatBacon]

I too have a real Nem and got a Hcigar clone to see the hype. the Hcigar is great still the button is not as smooth as my original but for the price I can't complain, I use it as my bar mod. If you want a perfect Nem get the real deal, if you are willing to tinker a little the Hcigar is the closest thing I've seen to the original.

 

[levisdaddy]

i have found that the vaporbreak Nem is an hcigar. however, i have read that there is a "VB" logo on the button...
i think ill go with the VB order. they have the correct KFL clone, and it seems the Nem is the right one as well (just could do without the logo)

 

[rodsky77]

i have found that the vaporbreak Nem is an hcigar. however, i have read that there is a "VB" logo on the button...
i think ill go with the VB order. they have the correct KFL clone, and it seems the Nem is the right one as well (just could do without the logo)

You're not going to see the logo. It's on the bottom

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[crxess]

I have seen you post this info on more than one occasion now. There have been seveal people that own both and say there are differences. Can you please show us the info you have as to show they are from the exact same manufacturer? Sounds like another lavatube situation again!! It took about 2 months for everyone to understand those came from about 3 different manufacturers. Again, could you shed some light on this information you have?

Don't misunderstand me. I am not saying only one manufacturer makes the Clones. There are several and some have very distince different manufacturing changes. A member just posted about one with a spring loaded top pin and only 1 spring in the switch.

Unfortunately, My information comes from a US reseller, not online documentation. My understanding is as to the 3 suppliers posted and no others and I can see from the standpoint of Quality control where one seller may have a higher instance of substandard product than another even if coming from the same production plant.
This is no different than sales in the Battery industry where a single plant is labeling for dozens of companies and each has its own QC standards for acceptance.

* Also, a fairly quick search through Alibaba will reveal more than 30 companies selling and claiming to Manufacture the Nemesis alone. There may be many more. I did a rather fast search, 5 minutes or so. So, knowing the Retailer and knowing practices in china Sales, I prefer to take things with a grain of salt.

I'll just keep things to myself since they seem to bother some and let everyone draw their own conclusions. After all no matter who is right, the Nemesis is one nice mod.

 

[EatBacon]

(just could do without the logo)

If your speaking of the original Nemesis logos I agree, I believe that if your not going to put your name on a product don't put someone else's on it. Putting your name on someone else's design is crappy too, so if your copying something don't put anything on it. Ok I'll shut up now.

 

[muzichead]

Okay.............They are the Same Mod from the Same Machining company only the Retail vs. direct Price is different.

This was your quote in reference to HCigar vs. FT versions....

Don't misunderstand me. I am not saying only one manufacturer makes the Clones.

I don't think there was any misunderstanding at all!!

 

[crxess]

This was your quote in reference to HCigar vs. FT versions....



I don't think there was any misunderstanding at all!!

Think I'll flip this one back to you.

Confirm the maker of the Fasttech Nemesis and if NOT the production facility making the identical(per many owners of both) Hcigar Nemesis and I will gladly confirm and concede. Otherwise I have my belief just as you do.

And my post about researching was not to say there are 30+ manufacturers. Only that at least that many companies CLAIM to be.

Logic would dictate prices would be driven to a few dollars per unit just to get them to sell. However if there is a network of distribution and limited manufacturing, inventory can be controlled and shared.

Edit: not all HCigar clones are created equal it seems, or come in a nice Retail Box.

http://hemcy.com/en/video/4TfODuh93cs/Nemesis-clone-by-HCigar

 

[muzichead]

Think I'll flip this one back to you.

Confirm the maker of the Fasttech Nemesis and if NOT the production facility making the identical(per many owners of both) Hcigar Nemesis and I will gladly confirm and concede. Otherwise I have my belief just as you do.

And my post about researching was not to say there are 30+ manufacturers. Only that at least that many companies CLAIM to be.

Logic would dictate prices would be driven to a few dollars per unit just to get them to sell. However if there is a network of distribution and limited manufacturing, inventory can be controlled and shared.

Edit: not all HCigar clones are created equal it seems, or come in a nice Retail Box.

Nemesis clone by HCigar

First off as I have posted in a few threads, the word through the FT site, was it wasn't the HCigar brand or same manufacturer as the HCigar brand. As well, there have been several people that own both, (HCigar & FT models), and yet they say there are differences. You on the other hand have stated you had information as to them being from the same manufacturer, all I was asking for was the real evidence. So now it's, you heard it from a US reseller... He probably buys the FT model and has been telling his customers its the HCigar, and sells it at a lower cost so he can sell a few more units and probably figured the consumer wouldn't know the difference anyway!! It happens...

It also happened back during the Lavatube fiasco a while back as well, yet come to find out there were at least 3+ manufacturers making them and almost all vendors sold them as being made by the same factory, The consumers figured it out pretty quickly, this wasn't so and called them on it. That resulted in a lot of vendors losing money, whether it was refunds, returns for exchange, or just losing future business because they were being shady!! How many US resellers have you seen passing off fake Vivi Nova's or Kanger products under the "branded" names?

Got anything better than just some US reseller telling you it was? I know a few US resellers that say they sell the Rainbow Heaven Elite Hybrid, yet Rainbow Heaven has released a statement on their site that says said vendors are not selling their devices...

So I guess at this point, I'll flip it back to you......

 

[crxess]

This is getting almost comical. Now you have to resort to calling out a reseller you know nothing about a liar and a thief.

Why would anyone purchasing up to 500 units at a time go to Fasttech or any other broker when they can go factory direct?

Even 95% of my $300 in Kanger products is DIRECT from the manufacturer. It is aamazing what you can purchase with a few Thousand dollars or a Co-op and 10 Grand.

As to your Fasttech threads - finish reading. I go there often, as well as here, CaliVapers and a few other forums.

Both mods have Excellent, horrid and mediocre reviews by owners.
Both have been touted as better, pointed out as worse and proclaimed to be Identical.

With that, I'll leave you to believe what you prefer and I will accept what I believe to be correct.

EOD

 

[steel bender]

Well, I thought this thread had a chance of answering my question, until it broke down into a bit of an argument. So here it is.

What the heck does VW stand for? Or what is the difference from a VW Nemesis and a non VW Nemesis. The reason I'm asking is a local B&B is listing a VW Nemesis clone for 80 bucks and I have no idea what it is. I have a ss nemesis from ft on the way and depending on how much I like it, I might like to some day get an HCigar brass version. Then I saw this vw thing and I would like to know what it is.

 

[muzichead]

The VW stands for the VaporWall edition that Atmomixani did. It is basically just a brushed and polished SS combo. Nothing really special about it other than being a combo is all. Hcigar has a version, but it says nothing in the description of it as being a VW edition. Here is the Hcigar and the real deal...

HCigar VW Nemesis Clone
By Atmomixani : Nemesis V.W. edition

 

[steel bender]

The VW stands for the VaporWall edition that Atmomixani did. It is basically just a brushed and polished SS combo. Nothing really special about it other than being a combo is all. Hcigar has a version, but it says nothing in the description of it as being a VW edition. Here is the Hcigar and the real deal...

HCigar VW Nemesis Clone
By Atmomixani : Nemesis V.W. edition

Are you sure it doesn't stand for variable wattage? lol...

I would love to get the real nemmy, unfortunately it's just not possible for me, at this time. Hopefully someday it will be, but certainly not before getting my hands on the cheap clone first.

That pic of the hcigar version sort of confirmed something or at least raised a question. Checking out ebay, there are a lot of hcigar nemesis clones for sale, most around 40 bucks, with a nice box, but the boxes all say nemesis under the train logo. While your link shows the box having the hcigar logo. So are these ebay "hcigar" versions actually made by tobecco, or someone else, or did hcigar change their box?

 

[muzichead]

I am not positive on this, and someone can correct me if i'm wrong, but the VW edition was brought about from the Vapor Wall forum. Someone over there, (I think), took a real Nemy and took the polished version and brushed the tubes and everyone wanted one, hence Atmomixani started making a brushed and mixed version. Again, if I am not correct, someone please correct me... That is how I remember it. I'm not a member over there so I can't state it as fact... There is no Nemesis that is variable wattage... Just a non regulated mechanical...

I will put it out there that I have read some posts from people that have purchased the eBay Hcigar versions and they were nothing more than a repackaged FT or some other Chinese manufactured version, so research is very important... The same is happening with the Kayfun clones as well. Lots of people thinking they are getting the Tobeco version because that's what is pictured and finding out after getting them they aren't... I've seen a few of the Hcigar versions that are being sold and reports after they are received is they are Tobeco's... You have to be very careful when purchasing something on eBay or directly from China... Basically, what I have learned over my almost 3yrs is you get what you pay for and there is usually a reason why it's being sold cheaper somewhere else other than where you normally purchase from. Buyers beware!!!