Let's say that with everything being equal (kanthal gauge size, number of wraps, cotton wick) for a microcoil, what effect would the diameter of the coil have on the vape? So for example, if I make two coils but I use two different drill bits to make the same number of wraps, same 28 gauge, and same cotton wick what should I notice? More flavor? More throat hit? Any difference at all? Thanks!
Coil diameter for microcoils
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What we basically found, was that the smaller the ID, the hotter it gets . . . potentially . . . . since the juice-to-vapor phase change keeps that actual heat pretty constant. However, it will come up to heat faster, be more effective in vaporizing juice, and produce more flavor. Also, it can produce more TH; but that has as much to do with coil placement in relation to airflow. We found that, when you get small enough (IDK . . ... less than 1.2mm, say), it doesn't leave room for enough wick to function well. You can have a firecracker of a coil; but if you can't supply it with enough juice, you won't enjoy it very much. Furthermore, strictly with micro-coils (meaning, wick inside the coil), under that ~1.2 mm size, it started almost negating flavor because of the intensity or the coil. Anyway, along came the P.I.D. coil, which rapidly morphed into the Nano. These are where the wick is on the outside, under, or surrounding the coil. That kin'a changed the rules on minimum coil IDs.
I run a 1/16"ID Micro of Mundy's Magic Twisted Ribbon at ~.4Ω with cotton on the inside only.
Don't forget that, if you decrease the ID sufficiently, you'll need to add wraps to keep at the same resistance and the same wire length.
I run a 1/16"ID Micro of Mundy's Magic Twisted Ribbon at ~.4Ω with cotton on the inside only.
Don't forget that, if you decrease the ID sufficiently, you'll need to add wraps to keep at the same resistance and the same wire length.
Thanks for the detailed response. Stupid question. Does ID stand for inside diameter?
Anyone else? What's your experience with coil diameter on microcoils and how they vape?
Anyone else? What's your experience with coil diameter on microcoils and how they vape?
A micro coil has a very narrow range of inside diameters and it's such a small range that it would vape the same.
Now if you bump the diameter up to like, mini or standard coil range it's gonna have a different vape - like pdib elaborated on above.
Conversely, if you drop down the diameter into nano range, it's gonna vape differently, again, like pdib elaborated on above.
I only run micro coils because to me they provide the best balance of performance, simplicity and wickability.
A proper micro coil has an inside diameter of .055" to .065" or 1.4 to 1.65 mm
Now if you bump the diameter up to like, mini or standard coil range it's gonna have a different vape - like pdib elaborated on above.
Conversely, if you drop down the diameter into nano range, it's gonna vape differently, again, like pdib elaborated on above.
I only run micro coils because to me they provide the best balance of performance, simplicity and wickability.
A proper micro coil has an inside diameter of .055" to .065" or 1.4 to 1.65 mm
probably as well said as it'll get, and like him, I only do micro coils these days. I just love the ease of replacing wicks and the vapor production from them.
I use micro coils at 1/16th in diameter but I also frequently use, I guess, "macro coils", at 5/64ths ID and at super low ohm, like ~.3-.4 I find that the smaller diameter coil with cotton still wicked through it has a hard time keeping up with chain vaping.
I've found that it also depends on the resistance I am shooting for.
less than 1.2 ohms - a micro coil no larger than the 1.65 mm mentioned above is optimal
Now, I've found a sweet spot, for me, close to 1.8 ohms, using a 2 mm coil (8 wraps of 30 AWG Kanthal)
Both using cotton wick inside the coil -
less than 1.2 ohms - a micro coil no larger than the 1.65 mm mentioned above is optimal
Now, I've found a sweet spot, for me, close to 1.8 ohms, using a 2 mm coil (8 wraps of 30 AWG Kanthal)
Both using cotton wick inside the coil -
Could you translate that to drill bit for us newbies that don't have proper tools yet? Or is there even an equivalent in a normal bit set? Thank you
Basically the only bit that will fall in that range is a 1/16" 1/16=0.0625. But I use both 1/16 & 5/64 and like them both. I like the idea of a slightly larger diameter coil for a little more cotton in there. Let's me do my long lung inhales without feeling like it may dry out and make me want to die.
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Here's a handy fact sheet
Ok thank you, what do you generally use, and what was used to wrap that beauty pictured here?
I used to use the darkzero coil jig at .055". I've also used 16 & 17 ga luer lock needles but those methods are old school.
Now, rather than wrapping the wire around a mandrel, we are turning the mandrel and tensioning the wire - the wire is kept on tne spool
Here's two ways - the easiest is using this artistic wire winding gizmo. It's like 7-15 Dollars at michaels or on amazon:
http://youtu.be/kNT5-s0U5jk
And this if you don't want that gizmo it's with a .055" micro driver:
http://youtu.be/bp8yqFojsEU
That's a piece of eraser in my spool of wire to hold the wire from unraveling
Oh and thanks - that in the pic was one of the original micros. It was around an 17 ga needle if I remember correctly
Edit: corrected the link to the micro driver method
Now, rather than wrapping the wire around a mandrel, we are turning the mandrel and tensioning the wire - the wire is kept on tne spool
Here's two ways - the easiest is using this artistic wire winding gizmo. It's like 7-15 Dollars at michaels or on amazon:
http://youtu.be/kNT5-s0U5jk
And this if you don't want that gizmo it's with a .055" micro driver:
http://youtu.be/bp8yqFojsEU
That's a piece of eraser in my spool of wire to hold the wire from unraveling
Oh and thanks - that in the pic was one of the original micros. It was around an 17 ga needle if I remember correctly
Edit: corrected the link to the micro driver method
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I used to use the darkzero coil jig at .055". I've also used 16 & 17 ga luer lock needles but those methods are old school.
Now, rather than wrapping the wire around a mandrel, we are turning the mandrel and tensioning the wire - the wire is kept on tne spool
Here's two ways - the easiest is using this artistic wire winding gizmo. It's like 7-15 Dollars at michaels or on amazon:
Micro Coil 101 - Making A Perfect Micro Coil Using The Coil Gizmo By Artistic Wire - YouTube
And this if you don't want that gizmo it's with a .055" micro driver:
Micro Coil The super_Mac Way - So Easy And So Tight - YouTube
That's a piece of eraser in my spool of wire to hold the wire from unraveling
Oh and thanks - that in the pic was one of the original micros. It was around an 17 ga needle if I remember correctly
fyi dont underestimate that eraser, it's no regular eraser...it's a top secret kind of eraser! Clearly not enough coffee for me just yet this monday morning, but yeah those video's help me out a ton, thanks to work I have plenty of time to surf the forums here at work and learn... while i dont use the artistic wire winding thing micro coils are still a breeze using his other method! Try it once and you wont go back to heating and squeezing coils (just too much of a pain) and you'll be building much more often because you realize how easy it really is. the hardest part is mounting but you'll get that down in no time. just keep in mind... once you micro you may never go back
Super the most number of wraps I can do on a pro tank coil head seems to be around 10 with a 28 gauge wire. Any more than that I am so tight on the overall length of my coil that I keep getting shorts. Any ideal setup for you on pro tank heads? Thanks!
I used to use the darkzero coil jig at .055". I've also used 16 & 17 ga luer lock needles but those methods are old school.
Now, rather than wrapping the wire around a mandrel, we are turning the mandrel and tensioning the wire - the wire is kept on tne spool
Here's two ways - the easiest is using this artistic wire winding gizmo. It's like 7-15 Dollars at michaels or on amazon:
Micro Coil 101 - Making A Perfect Micro Coil Using The Coil Gizmo By Artistic Wire - YouTube
And this if you don't want that gizmo it's with a .055" micro driver:
outdated - Micro Coils 101 - Part One - Making The Tightest Coil You've Ever Made - YouTube
That's a piece of eraser in my spool of wire to hold the wire from unraveling
Oh and thanks - that in the pic was one of the original micros. It was around an 17 ga needle if I remember correctly
Edit: corrected the link to the micro driver method
I used to use the darkzero coil jig at .055". I've also used 16 & 17 ga luer lock needles but those methods are old school.
Now, rather than wrapping the wire around a mandrel, we are turning the mandrel and tensioning the wire - the wire is kept on tne spool
Here's two ways - the easiest is using this artistic wire winding gizmo. It's like 7-15 Dollars at michaels or on amazon:
Micro Coil 101 - Making A Perfect Micro Coil Using The Coil Gizmo By Artistic Wire - YouTube
And this if you don't want that gizmo it's with a .055" micro driver:
outdated - Micro Coils 101 - Part One - Making The Tightest Coil You've Ever Made - YouTube
That's a piece of eraser in my spool of wire to hold the wire from unraveling
Oh and thanks - that in the pic was one of the original micros. It was around an 17 ga needle if I remember correctly
Edit: corrected the link to the micro driver method
Oh Ive seen your vids many times but never put it together its the same person lol duh. Anyway thats pretty darn cool wrapping rig you got there.
I'm sorry but I'm not familiar with pro tanks, But 10 wraps is perfect. Even 9 if 10 gets too tight. If you want to increase your resistance a little and stay at 10 wraps, 29 ga is perfect.
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Thank you sir!
I'm sorry but I'm not familiar with pro tanks, But 10 wraps is perfect. Even 9 if 10 gets too tight. If you want to increase your resistance a little and stay at 10 wraps, 29 ga is perfect.
Check this:
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