DNA 200 Watt

[retird]

The DNA200 is using Li-Po cells and to a lesser degree (at this time) 18650 batteries in series. Battery Safety matters thus this post copied from Evolv's forum is laid in this thread FYI:

http://evolvapor.forumchitchat.com/post/battery-safety-7776511?pid=1289707021

And I quote:

I think Evolv places importance on battery safety in the design of their products.

Having used Li-Po batteries for many years with the Darwin, DNA 20,25,30, and 40 I feel the need to pass on a bit of information.

Over the years I have only had 2 batteries cause me some concern. Li-Po batteries can start swelling when they start to fail. I noticed this with 2 batteries that were reaching the end of their duty cycle. Monitoring and checking the batteries should be routine and a part of one's vaping experience. Simply replacing the battery can prevent much greater and less desirable events from occurring.

I only post this as a Public Service Announcement and hope that battery safety and monitoring is given the respect it is due by us consumers.

I post this link to give an example (not to promote fear) as it may give us pause to think a bit deeper about battery safety.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-ap-e-cigarette-explodes-20151028-story.html

To the device makers:

I ask that you consider designing a safety feature into your devices that can monitor the battery for swelling and alert the user before more destructive events can occur, and/or make the devices more readily available for battery replacement when a fault (swelling) is seen or battery replacement is desired by the end user.

God Bless and be safe.

 

[nic_fix]

I certainly did not mean to start a debate. it was real to me. changing the tcr did fix it. the strange thing is at the same settings as sxm I was literally getting no production. it was limiting it down to a few watts. again, I do not understand this stuff. so I have no idea why but it was a problem for me.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Not sure where your reference information is from but I run the same tanks between the SXmini m and DNA200 daily and run them at the same temperature. The one thing I do notice with the DNA if Refinement is left on it will read a .15Ω factory coil down as low as .12Ω - .13Ω over time and deliver a fairly anemic vape. On the other hand it will burn a hole in the back of my throat and burn a coil if I go outside to work in the yard as it refines the resistance upwards, but if I lock the resistance when I install the tank it's almost as consistent as the SXmini m aside from Preheat.

Here's a screen grab from Tasteyourjuice.com that seems to go with what I'm experiencing with temps being pretty similar in comparison. Actually show's the SXM (SX350J) to run a bit cooler than the DNA200. I've seen a hand full of reports of this anemic vaping experience on the DNA200 and I suspect it has to do with either the Refinement reading the coil resistance slightly lower than it actually is or the Mod resistance being incorrect. I imagine @Smeef work around would work for those that are having this anemic problem.

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Just my experience coupled with additional anecdotes from others. YMMV.

I never got a chance to measure the actual coil temps of the SXM (I hated it and sold it to someone who will enjoy it -- yup I'm an evolv fanboy lol) but I have measured actual coil temps of the DNA 200 and it is spot on as well as very stable with the "correct" TCR and a stable build. I have also compared actual resistance of attys (using HP3456A) with what the DNA 200 reports and the resistance readings are accurate when using a good quality, clean 510. Similar to Retird, unless the atty was warm or slightly warm to start, refinement doesn't change my cold resistances any significant amount.

 

[Phone Guy]

I'm not sure what this debate is, I have used a SXM class, dna40 and dna200 and I can honestly say the dna200 handles temp control better than the dna40 and sxm. the protected vape is smoother than the other 2, including the latest gold edition of the dna40. except for on the sxm I do not lock resistance, I let the board do its thing.

 

[nic_fix]

yeah that would go right with what mad is saying and what I experience. the dna200 is working with accurate numbers. the sxm was exaggerated. I need more power on the dna200 because that is what I actually require. the sxm is faking me out. I can set lower temp and watts on the sxm because it is exaggerating them. this is the only explanation. unless it uses some different odd pulse or something. what mad says makes sense to me. so no big deal folks. I just set the dna200 higher to the real numbers it is using. it is very accurate. I use the sxmm while the dna200 is charging lol. they are both okay devices but the sxmm is more of a dna40. the dna200 is just newer technology.

 

[vapealone]

man after watching the pbusardo DNA 200 review part three.

I am definitely getting the wismec reuleaux. it looks like I would like the feel. and hey triple 18650s, here comes 33,3 wh with those HG2s.

Well, at least 33.3 nominal Wh.
I will do a battery test on my little new shiny on the weekend but so far it seems that I can get ~25Wh (output on the business end) before I got a weak battery warning. And then the batteries read 3.2V w/o load wich is fine with me as a limit. So is the 25Wh (ATM I am using John's (@ Evolv) LG HE2 discharge curve (it is V vs % so does the job for HG2 too) and the factory default 3.09 soft cutoff. )

But I think, you re right and you will like the feel. They did a pretty good job. I am lucky, that there are a few boxes it doesn't tick but my own design does so I don't feel the desire to buy it I don't even mind that I went a full millimetre higher because of my big fire button At least I am narrower by 2mm But I still wish I could have used materials like them It is a looker, that is for sure.

Anyway, here are a few pix how my triplet looks like in my fleet:

 

[jazzvaper]

@vapealone Been wondering where you were. Now I know. Busy! [emoji106]

 

[AtmizrOpin]

ok, screen shot of device monitor, how the hell you guys doin it? thanks

edit im using a windows 10 tab

 

[retird]

ok, screen shot of device monitor, how the hell you guys doin it? thanks

edit im using a windows 10 tab

On my Win-10 laptop I just hit prt-sc (print screen) when I want to capture the Device Monitor and then open up Paint software and Paste. Save this and you got it...

 

[Freedom2Vape]

On my Win-10 laptop I just hit prt-sc (print screen) when I want to capture the Device Monitor and then open up Paint software and Paste. Save this and you got it...

Can you also use the Snipping tool from Windows to just selectively capture the portion of the screen you want?

 

[AtmizrOpin]

On my Win-10 laptop I just hit prt-sc (print screen) when I want to capture the Device Monitor and then open up Paint software and Paste. Save this and you got it...

ya i dont have certain buttons on my tablet when compared to an actual keybaord. i got it figired out, im using snipit tool. thanks tho.

 

[retird]

Added snipp tool to my task bar.... thx.... quicker than the way I usually do it....

 

[Freedom2Vape]

Yes, I like the ability to just clip the portion of the screen I need. Sometimes still need to take a full screen shot using the prt scr (like menu options that only show when moused over) and paste into paint, but can then use snipping tool to clip only the portion I need.
Sorry for the

 

[HolmanGT]

Yes, I like the ability to just clip the portion of the screen I need. Sometimes still need to take a full screen shot using the prt scr (like menu options that only show when moused over) and paste into paint, but can then use snipping tool to clip only the portion I need.
Sorry for the

You can tell Windows Snipping Tool to capture the whole window also and wen it pops up in the Snipping Tool Editor just save and/or modify it then save.

 

[Jeremy Schreiber]

Anyone have an idea why it seems like my Opus with a 1000 mah LiPo is getting better battery life than my Boxer w/ 2 Sony VTC5s? It came set with the right watt hours. Maybe its the discharge curve? When I pull the batteries to charge them and throw them on the charger they are generally at like 3.5v when the meter is reading 40ish percent (but also close to the point it is telling me the batteries are weak). I use the same atomizers, thus the same wattages and temperatures across both devices. Despite the advantages of the LiPo, I would think that such a large discrepancy in watt hours would provide noticeably better battery life with the 18650s (which seemed to be the case when I got the 18650 mod a few weeks ago unless LiPo battery life continues to get better with age).

 

[dwcraig1]

Anyone have an idea why it seems like my Opus with a 1000 mah LiPo is getting better battery life than my Boxer w/ 2 Sony VTC5s? It came set with the right watt hours. Maybe its the discharge curve? When I pull the batteries to charge them and throw them on the charger they are generally at like 3.5v when the meter is reading 40ish percent (but also close to the point it is telling me the batteries are weak). I use the same atomizers, thus the same wattages and temperatures across both devices. Despite the advantages of the LiPo, I would think that such a large discrepancy in watt hours would provide noticeably better battery life with the 18650s (which seemed to be the case when I got the 18650 mod a few weeks ago unless LiPo battery life continues to get better with age).

You should get near double vape time with the two 18650's, what does EScribe show for the batteries voltage when depleted. Also be looking at the battery sag when fired between the two with live view in EScribe. You can't go with the battery gauge or percentage especially if it's not set up properly.

 

[dr3d]

Anyone have an idea why it seems like my Opus with a 1000 mah LiPo is getting better battery life than my Boxer w/ 2 Sony VTC5s? It came set with the right watt hours. Maybe its the discharge curve? When I pull the batteries to charge them and throw them on the charger they are generally at like 3.5v when the meter is reading 40ish percent (but also close to the point it is telling me the batteries are weak). I use the same atomizers, thus the same wattages and temperatures across both devices. Despite the advantages of the LiPo, I would think that such a large discrepancy in watt hours would provide noticeably better battery life with the 18650s (which seemed to be the case when I got the 18650 mod a few weeks ago unless LiPo battery life continues to get better with age).

You should get near double vape time with the two 18650's, what does EScribe show for the batteries voltage when depleted. Also be looking at the battery sag when fired between the two with live view in EScribe. You can't go with the battery gauge or percentage especially if it's not set up properly.

DW for the win.

You are not getting better battery life. Possible longer run time. The sx350j in the Boxer will not let you fire when the sag pulls tge voltage under limit. For example, when my Boxer is set to fire at 50J, when I start getting the check battery screen, I can drop to 40J and extend the run time on the charge cycle. If you watch your battery meter, you can see the voltage drop on firing. The Boxer will continue firing as long as the process doesn't pull the battery level too low.

 

[dwcraig1]

DW for the win.

You are not getting better battery life. Possible longer run time. The sx350j in the Boxer will not let you fire when the sag pulls tge voltage under limit. For example, when my Boxer is set to fire at 50J, when I start getting the check battery screen, I can drop to 40J and extend the run time on the charge cycle. If you watch your battery meter, you can see the voltage drop on firing. The Boxer will continue firing as long as the process doesn't pull the battery level too low.

I missed it, I thought they were both DNA200 mods.

 

[dr3d]

I missed it, I thought they were both DNA200 mods.

Rereading ... good chance they are. My Boxer predates the DNA offering so I plum forgot to consider the rest of the world. But, the chip doesn't change the diagnosis. Difference is the DNA provides the option to adjust this effect. Note that adjusting the 2x18650 to fire longer will accelerate the decline in battery health.

 

[dwcraig1]

Rereading ... good chance they are. My Boxer predates the DNA offering so I plum forgot to consider the rest of the world. But, the chip doesn't change the diagnosis. Difference is the DNA provides the option to adjust this effect. Note that adjusting the 2x18650 to fire longer will accelerate the decline in battery health.

Well one is about 11 whr and the other around 18 whr, vape time difference should reflect those numbers using the same atty.