Halo Freedom/Smooth/Torque recipes???
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Thanks Aheadatime for the information about FA Chocolate. I was working on the BC, but noticed it didn't have enough of the Chocolate aroma and am sure it needs some more, but trying to take it slowly.
One of the things I noticed about many of my concoctions is the TH is not even close to the original. I am lucky in the fact that I have all of these eliquids so it is very easy (or difficult at times) for me to make side by side comparisons. When I do, I am using small V4 drippers, both coiled to 1.6Ω with cotton and used them both on the same device with the voltage set accordingly. I have been mixing at 60pg/40vg 12mg which is my norm but I think I need to go higher on the pg.
But anyhoos on to the purpose of my post - I concocted the following recipe and when my daughter tasted it - the first thing out of her mouth is "That's ToRqUe!" so I thought I would post it here for other's amusement and testing.
This was an 8ml batch:
Hangsen Elder Captain - 7.5%
TFA - TP @ .25%
TFA - MTB @ .25%
I actually thought it was going to be more like the Captain, but it is definitely more related to the ToRqUe! Just to add this has been steeping since 8/8/13 (since I don't have an ultrasonic cleaner as of yet - I have learned to be patient.)
One of the things I noticed about many of my concoctions is the TH is not even close to the original. I am lucky in the fact that I have all of these eliquids so it is very easy (or difficult at times) for me to make side by side comparisons. When I do, I am using small V4 drippers, both coiled to 1.6Ω with cotton and used them both on the same device with the voltage set accordingly. I have been mixing at 60pg/40vg 12mg which is my norm but I think I need to go higher on the pg.
But anyhoos on to the purpose of my post - I concocted the following recipe and when my daughter tasted it - the first thing out of her mouth is "That's ToRqUe!" so I thought I would post it here for other's amusement and testing.
This was an 8ml batch:
Hangsen Elder Captain - 7.5%
TFA - TP @ .25%
TFA - MTB @ .25%
I actually thought it was going to be more like the Captain, but it is definitely more related to the ToRqUe! Just to add this has been steeping since 8/8/13 (since I don't have an ultrasonic cleaner as of yet - I have learned to be patient.)
Wow. I have the TP and MTB must get the elder captain and give it a try. .25% seems a bit low. I find that TP and MTB fade after a few days so be aware of that. I'm sampling the original torque right now and detect a chocolate note. Does the captain supply this note? Because it's the same note I've been trying to reproduce for my prime 15 clone.
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danny - I know that seems low but like I said I have been steeping it since 8/8/13 and I personally don't detect chocolate notes in the torque but again, that's me.
I actually got the Elder thinking it might be what was used for the Captn Jack, but it isn't at all. Again, it's all in playing with the molecules, one person may need a stronger amount to really taste and others not so much. This to me is sweeter than torque even though I added no sweetner.
I have some fusion that I purchased last time I bought and thinking about just adding the flavorings to a small bit of that and see what happens with the taste comparisons.
I actually got the Elder thinking it might be what was used for the Captn Jack, but it isn't at all. Again, it's all in playing with the molecules, one person may need a stronger amount to really taste and others not so much. This to me is sweeter than torque even though I added no sweetner.
I have some fusion that I purchased last time I bought and thinking about just adding the flavorings to a small bit of that and see what happens with the taste comparisons.
I can duplicate most of the torque but whats missing is that chocolate/mossy/slight fruit note. What comes close is Methylbutyraldehyde but it's still missing that chocolate note. Hangsen cocoa helps but it lacks the sweetness. TFA chocolate is actually closer. What ever that note is, is also used in prime 15.
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Gents I wanted to screw around a bit and am ordering some things from Linda. Regarding the "molecules" I've had trimethyl P and acet P for some time now. (Also have guiaicol and caryophyllene crapoxide 
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Besides those two pyrazines much of the talk around here has been about methylbutyraldehyde and tetramethyl pyrazine right?
) Besides those two pyrazines much of the talk around here has been about methylbutyraldehyde and tetramethyl pyrazine right?
Gents I wanted to screw around a bit and am ordering some things from Linda. Regarding the "molecules" I've had trimethyl P and acet P for some time now. (Also have guiaicol and caryophyllene crapoxide
Besides those two pyrazines much of the talk around here has been about methylbutyraldehyde and tetramethyl pyrazine right?
tetramethyl pyrazine was thought to give it less of a nutty taste but I found the AP was better. The methylbutyraldehyde gives it a mossy/fruity top note. The ingredient that has been giving problems is what can only be described as a some what chocolate note.
What are guiaicol and caryophyllene crapoxide. Can you describe what they add to a mix flavor or note wise?
Hey danny, thanks for the explanation (we're talking about Prime 15 right?). I think you or someone had posted a Torque recipe also, though I can't seem to find it.
Guiaicol is supposed to add a smoke like flavor, but its not the kind of smoke we're after. It reminds me more of a sweetish 'fake' smoke kind of flavor that you would expect to find in a cheap rub or spice from the supermarket. Bleh. I didn't work with it much but that's a testament to how much it skeeved me out.
Caryophy-whatever is supposed to woody/spicy and I guess it is, but again its not the kind of thing we're looking for in a tobacco (at least I'm not). It's more like woody cheap cologne than anything. Again I didn't do much with it, but it also skeeved me hard lol.
Guiaicol is supposed to add a smoke like flavor, but its not the kind of smoke we're after. It reminds me more of a sweetish 'fake' smoke kind of flavor that you would expect to find in a cheap rub or spice from the supermarket. Bleh. I didn't work with it much but that's a testament to how much it skeeved me out.
Caryophy-whatever is supposed to woody/spicy and I guess it is, but again its not the kind of thing we're looking for in a tobacco (at least I'm not). It's more like woody cheap cologne than anything. Again I didn't do much with it, but it also skeeved me hard lol.
A lot of abbreviations are used here because typing them out would take all day 
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TMP - Tetramethylpyrazine 10% (PG) taste description: Nutty, musty, cocoa, drying, peanut-like and raw coffee notes
TP - Trimethyl Pyrazine 10% (PG) 2,3,5 Trimethyl Pyrazine diluted to 10% in Propylene Glycol heart/mid note nutty musty earthy powdery cocoa roasted peanut
MTB - Methylbutyraldehyde 1% (PG) taste description: Musty and rummy, with nutty and cereal notes - caramel and fruity undernotes
TFA = The Flavor Apprentice
And I personally don't think the recipe tastes anything like what my daughter indicated, but that is just me. I am only hoping to come up with some mixtures that satisfy me and hopefully can save me some money in the meantime.
. TMP - Tetramethylpyrazine 10% (PG) taste description: Nutty, musty, cocoa, drying, peanut-like and raw coffee notes
TP - Trimethyl Pyrazine 10% (PG) 2,3,5 Trimethyl Pyrazine diluted to 10% in Propylene Glycol heart/mid note nutty musty earthy powdery cocoa roasted peanut
MTB - Methylbutyraldehyde 1% (PG) taste description: Musty and rummy, with nutty and cereal notes - caramel and fruity undernotes
TFA = The Flavor Apprentice
And I personally don't think the recipe tastes anything like what my daughter indicated, but that is just me. I am only hoping to come up with some mixtures that satisfy me and hopefully can save me some money in the meantime.
Got my flavors, not sure what to do with myself here 
On a side note, I did add some trimethyl to hangsen Ry1 (1 drop per ml RY1) and its very Prime15 as I remember it, only better to my taste. Better in that its a little more 'wet' and tobacco-ish.
On a side note, I did add some trimethyl to hangsen Ry1 (1 drop per ml RY1) and its very Prime15 as I remember it, only better to my taste. Better in that its a little more 'wet' and tobacco-ish.
Danny, have you shared your torque recipe thus far? Again I'm trying to find it but can't seem to.
I don't have a torque recipe. I haven't yet tried to duplicate it. I was just commenting on posts made here on it and giving some suggestions. I'm only working on prime 15 at the moment.
I bought some tobacco absolute and was experimenting with it and I came up with something that will knock your socks off. It's a cross between prime 15 and torque 56. This stuff blows me away. I actually like it better then both prime and torque.
75pg/25vg/18mg base
7% tobacco absolute (If you use TFA's thick tar TA dilute 2 large drops in 10ml PG and use that as your concentrate)
4% AP
4% hangsen cocoa
2% MTB (Methylbutyraldehyde 1%)
If you want it more towards the torque side add 1% hangsen vanilla. Susprisingly it won't add a vanilla taste but will add a thicker body to it. (Must be hangsen vanilla)
Forget prime forget torque this is my new ADV. I think this is a mix halo is going to wish they had.
Disclaimer: I'm not trying to duplicate a halo flavor this is my own creation and it's awesome. I haven't been this excited about a mix in a long time.
75pg/25vg/18mg base
7% tobacco absolute (If you use TFA's thick tar TA dilute 2 large drops in 10ml PG and use that as your concentrate)
4% AP
4% hangsen cocoa
2% MTB (Methylbutyraldehyde 1%)
If you want it more towards the torque side add 1% hangsen vanilla. Susprisingly it won't add a vanilla taste but will add a thicker body to it. (Must be hangsen vanilla)
Forget prime forget torque this is my new ADV. I think this is a mix halo is going to wish they had.
Disclaimer: I'm not trying to duplicate a halo flavor this is my own creation and it's awesome. I haven't been this excited about a mix in a long time.
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How intense is the AP at 4%? Or is it some magic that makes it work at that high of a percentage?
What you have to understand is with other recipes here. They use T5 or highway that already has lots of AP in it. Tobacco absolute has no AP. so 4% is the perfect amount to get that nutty taste without it tasting like corn chip or burnt popcorn. Just make sure the mix is fully steeped. 3 - 4 hours in a UC or 3 - 4 weeks natural. I gave it a 3 hour steep in the UC and then let it sit an additional week and have been vaping it for 3 days now and I haven't changed my opinion about it. It is still a great vape.
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