New Jersey Vape Expo Shut Down
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Taxes pay their salary, and there are far more important things for them to do than harrass vapors. They could be stopping crime.
In NJ, vaping indoors IS a crime. Of course, in NJ, all sorts of of things are a crime that are perfectly OK in most other states. At one point, back around 1990, PA had these signs at all the Delaware river crossings:
Senator Joseph Vitale was there in person to oversee the bust and spoke to the promoter:
"The promoter told vendors that customers were allowed to test products containing "zero nic" or no nicotine on the expo hall floor, Vitale said. "He's wrong. It's more than just vapor. There are other chemicals to worry about," he said." Health officials bust vendors, promoters at N.J. e-cigarette convention for indoor vaping | NJ.com
From the same news story:
"A thick fog of candy-smelling smoke hung in the air inside the cavernous hall filled with rows of tables and elaborate displays of nicotine "juice"and vaping paraphernalia. There was a DJ stand, pole dancers and neon lights.."
The usual crap about harmful chemicals and ecigs appealing to kids and this from a senator and a major New Jersey news source! Also, irrelevant info about pole dancers and neon lights, trying to associate vaping with "immorality".
Edit: As one the commentators on the NJ website also says: "How could there be thick SMOKE when e-cigs only produce water vapor?..."
"The promoter told vendors that customers were allowed to test products containing "zero nic" or no nicotine on the expo hall floor, Vitale said. "He's wrong. It's more than just vapor. There are other chemicals to worry about," he said." Health officials bust vendors, promoters at N.J. e-cigarette convention for indoor vaping | NJ.com
From the same news story:
"A thick fog of candy-smelling smoke hung in the air inside the cavernous hall filled with rows of tables and elaborate displays of nicotine "juice"and vaping paraphernalia. There was a DJ stand, pole dancers and neon lights.."
The usual crap about harmful chemicals and ecigs appealing to kids and this from a senator and a major New Jersey news source! Also, irrelevant info about pole dancers and neon lights, trying to associate vaping with "immorality".
Edit: As one the commentators on the NJ website also says: "How could there be thick SMOKE when e-cigs only produce water vapor?..."
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That is something that they do not have the right to decide. Any legitimate officer would be going after the people making those laws. But, I am part of a group in Texas that has over 3 million signatures seeking the execution of officers and politicians that are overstepping their bounds. Public servants acting as rulers are criminals, simple as that.In NJ, vaping indoors IS a crime. Of course, in NJ, all sorts of of things are a crime that are perfectly OK in most other states. At one point, back around 1990, PA had these signs at all the Delaware river crossings:
Fort Worth used to have a couple signs that read "Fort Worth, where the west begins. Dallas, where the east just kinda peeters out..." They went away years ago.
They protect themselves when they do wrong. The worst form of treason. We are in the Bible Belt, when an officer or a politician puts their hand on a bible and takes an oath to uphold the constitution (not the law) and to set an example, it is taken very seriously. Violating that oath is treason, the only punishment for treason is death. If we can make it stick, the people will take back their government. For the people, not big business.
Not able to attend the event. Once again, though, I am embarrassed to say I'm from New Jersey.
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Ocean City is a dry town, other than residents homes. That's why I posted it. OC is considered a fine city. Fine as in generating income from.
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I'm stunned that whoever organized the NJ vaping convention didn't know (and didn't bother to find out) that vaping has been banned in that convention center (and all other workplaces and public places in NJ) for more than 5 years.
But this is an excellent opportunity for the vaping industry (i.e. the ones who were issued citations in NJ) to challenge the the 2009 NJ vaping ban in court (by pleading Not Guilty to the citations) arguing that the NJ legislature disingenuously and improperly redefined the word "smoking" to include the use of smokefree vapor products, and to point out that vaping poses none of the risks to the public that secondhand smoke poses.
But this is an excellent opportunity for the vaping industry (i.e. the ones who were issued citations in NJ) to challenge the the 2009 NJ vaping ban in court (by pleading Not Guilty to the citations) arguing that the NJ legislature disingenuously and improperly redefined the word "smoking" to include the use of smokefree vapor products, and to point out that vaping poses none of the risks to the public that secondhand smoke poses.
See the Busardo's interview with the promoters of this convention. Believe it's in the second one of the two he made on this N.J. affair. It might.....or might not.....settle your mind about what they did in setting up the convention and how they did it. 
Curious: Is this the first time there's been a vape expo or convention in NJ in those whole 5 years?
Yup, more than a few people now have "standing". The question is, do they have the motivation and the resources to mount a challenge?
They aren't going to win a case over terminology. A number of vendors even use the words smoke juice and electronic smoking...
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Based upon P Busardo's second interview with the conference organizers at
Taste Your Juice | VAPE EXPO NJ – WHAT HAPPENED?
and NJ Senator Joe Vitale's interview at
it appears that the Edison Convention Center management misled the conference
organizers about the NJ law (which banned vaping in the Edison Convention Center)
to secure the six figure rental contract and fee.
But the conference organizers (and/or their purported lawyer) should have known
that vaping was banned in the building, especially since at least one e-cig company
owner in NJ warned the conference organizers that vaping was banned in the
building prior to the event.
It appears that whoever plotted the scheme (of claiming that vaping was allowed
in the building because it was a private event, and to require attendees to sign
a form to become club members) was the culprit.
But this still may be an opportunity to challenge the legality of the NJ vaping ban
(if someone who received a citation decides to fight this in court).
Taste Your Juice | VAPE EXPO NJ – WHAT HAPPENED?
and NJ Senator Joe Vitale's interview at
it appears that the Edison Convention Center management misled the conference
organizers about the NJ law (which banned vaping in the Edison Convention Center)
to secure the six figure rental contract and fee.
But the conference organizers (and/or their purported lawyer) should have known
that vaping was banned in the building, especially since at least one e-cig company
owner in NJ warned the conference organizers that vaping was banned in the
building prior to the event.
It appears that whoever plotted the scheme (of claiming that vaping was allowed
in the building because it was a private event, and to require attendees to sign
a form to become club members) was the culprit.
But this still may be an opportunity to challenge the legality of the NJ vaping ban
(if someone who received a citation decides to fight this in court).
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