Newbie rebuildable problem

[Atomiciser]

Okay, well I guess this thread is as good as any to see if I understand all this. What I have right now are two ego-c twist batteries, a mutant X atomiser and an aspire nautilus tank. They're fine except I keep needing to buy new coils, so I want to make my own coils.

From the sounds of things the mutant X is meant for cloud chasers, I'm not overly interested in that, I just want to be able to build my own coils and vape. Wish I'd found this forum before buying!

I can either buy a new rebuildable or get one of these box mod devices, but they don't come cheap. People feel a mechanical mod, although much cheaper, would be dangerous at my present level of experience. I'm still tempted to give them a try as a multimeter is winging its way through the postal system to me right now.

Are they really that risky if I stay over one ohm and not push any limits, are they only meant to produce lots of clouds or also be durable and long lasting? The latter is by far the most interesting to me.

In terms of batteries I'm looking at something called a Sony IMR 18650 1600mAh 3.7v 30A discharge battery, US18650VTC3 18650VTC3, does that look about right? Or there's a dude selling SONY VTC Series IMR High 30A Drain LiMN 18650 Battery (VTC4 2100mah).

Sorry for all the newb questions but there aren't any vape shops around here and those vapers I know are happy with their clearomisers!

 

[drunkenbatman]

So this mutant X is basically useless without the right battery? That's a bummer, and it wasn't mentioned on the vendor's website either. I'll get the ohm meter next so.

It's not useless -- you could really dial down the airflow and look at a microcoil. It just still has a large air chamber, so flavor and such will be less than something geared around a single coil. For a multimeter, a super-cheap $3-5 one will do, just remember to touch your leads, note any number and subtract that from your final result.

I can either buy a new rebuildable or get one of these box mod devices, but they don't come cheap.

You can find ones that'd be in the range of what you want for ~$30 USD -- iclick, etc. You can also look at rebuilding your nautilus coils.

People feel a mechanical mod, although much cheaper, would be dangerous at my present level of experience. I'm still tempted to give them a try as a multimeter is winging its way through the postal system to me right now. Are they really that risky if I stay over one ohm and not push any limits, are they only meant to produce lots of clouds or also be durable and long lasting? The latter is by far the most interesting to me.

It is, but you also have to learn sometime -- and if you respect the power of the battery and learn a ton you'll be OK. Avoid things like the 4nine, and instead consider something like an Astro or Caravela. Something simple and reliable -- I'd also stick with stainless over copper/brass/adamantium.

Try not to get your batteries from some guy on ebay, the Sony VTCs in particular are one of the more heavily counterfeited out there. I'm going to point you here which has a solid list:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html

You also can't neglect a solid charger.

Sorry for all the newb questions but there aren't any vape shops around here and those vapers I know are happy with their clearomisers!

We're all newbs in our own way -- everyone here is looking out for you, and while totally gets the economics also doesn't want your reconstructive surgery on their conscience.

 

[Johnny Hughes]

holy crap XD an rba on an ego twist, do some real research before you buy equipment theres plenty of information out there at your fingertips, lucky for you it wont fire with that rba on it instead of just trying to fire and venting

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

Alright,
Trust me when I say we all learned at sometime or another, few of us went from the fry pan straight in to the frier without some experience under our belts though even back when RBA's were new most knew the dangers of venting batteries due to hard shorts and the likes.

The Mutation X is no shabby attomizer, in fact its my all day vape personally. The atomizer is far from useless and will last you years to come with care, typically the resounding theme you'll hear is that you need to oHm it out first and understand fully how to build a basic coil. Also that your mod (battery or in your case ego twist) just won't carry the load of a low ohm coil. sure you could build it out high ohm using 32 gauge wire without any complications and run it on your ego. For fun I ran a 1.8 ohm RST tank on a blu battery once just to prove it could be done (Btw, it didn't last for a long while but still vaped). This is however after 2 years of building coil systems and trust me I double checked my measurements and still to this day do with a trusty ohm meter.

Basically everyone here is saying to do it safe and do it right, we put safety first and foremost before most everything and that is just because vaping should be an enjoyment and not wondering if your going to detonate a mod due to unsafe builds. Drunken Batman has some good points to take home and run with, and the RBA thread here on ECF won't steer you wrong. As I mentioned in my previous post visit your local brick and mortar shop if you don't have one put an all call out to some local vapers in the area to sit down with you and run through the basics (Besides, you can usually try new juices while your at it as well).
Have fun but be safe is all, there is a lot to learn and your just now beginning to see the forest through the trees in front of you on this one.

I understand about the FDA ruling, I myself have a stock pile of stuff but lets look at what they will go after first.
Mods-Not likely, since most of the components are sourced electronics from radio shack (or can be) and worse case is people can put them together from spare parts, also they can be marketed as "Flash lights" if needs be.
Atomizers- Maybe so, but then again in reality what kind of restriction can they put on them, without wick and wire there is nothing they could say is causing harm here. Put a LED bulb in the screw posts and you have a flashlight head, hard to limit that.
Liquids- Most likely, they contain nicotine which in its own right is a class controlled chemical, also because we are putting it into our bodies through vaporization then they could deem it a atomized drug, this is likely the FDA's target I would suspect.

So take it slow, learn what you can and everything you can. If you were near by I'd invite you over for a crash course 101 on everything E-Cig if preparing for the legislation is your concern. We are here to help you in what you need just ask lots of questions and you'll find the answer or better yet be shown in person.
Also attend vape meets if you can, a great place to try new things, meet new people and exchange contact info. This will become important in the future should anything happen, trust me on that.

 

[dgm76513]

I recommend a regulated mod. With a mechanical mod, as the battery drains (and it does with each push of the button), the voltage goes down. The lower the voltage, the weaker the hit. It'll start off strong and nice, and finish out with a whimper and you can really kill your batteries, because it's difficult to tell when you hit that magical 3.2 volt cutoff where you are supposed to take it out and charge it.

With a regulated mod, the hit stays pretty much the same until the battery dies, and the protection circuit kicks in and doesn't let you fire the atty until a properly charged battery is inserted. So to sum it up, a regulated mod will give you much more consistent hits, and won't destroy your batteries. They could also potentially save you from some injuries in case you develop a short because it will detect the short and not fire. A mechanical mod doesn't care, it has no brains so it relies on your brains, and your brains are human. Do you trust human brains?

 

[HexxRush]

An ego is not going to give you the performance you're looking for from an RDA. You really need a mod to get the most out of it.

 

[HMav]

It sounds like you're looking for the same kind of experience I desire. I don't need to cloud chase, but I need cheap, reliable, and not having to worry about having enough hit or miss replaceable coils to make it until the post office gets done sending my package on a cross country tour.

I've found a sweet spot with the iStick and the M6 RDA from Fasttech. The iStick's protection is intelligent enough, it has a built in ohm meter that is accurate enough, and it provides plenty of power for the small single coil atty with a 1-2ohm microcoil. The M6 is nothing more and nothing less than a dirt cheap RDA that is practically disposable, it costs less than a plastic clearo from a B&M, and provides plenty of flavor.

 

[Atomiciser]

Yes that looks like the ticket!

In terms of wire gauge I'm getting the impression that thinner means higher resistance - so say something like Kanthal AWG 30 28.3 Ohm/m ..... 8.63 Ohm/ft, does that mean approximately 0.28 Ohm/cm, so I'd need about 5 cm of that wire to get a 1.4 Ohm resistance?

And I'm guessing only the wire that's actually coiled should be measured?

 

[drunkenbatman]

In terms of wire gauge I'm getting the impression that thinner means higher resistance - so say something like Kanthal AWG 30 28.3 Ohm/m ..... 8.63 Ohm/ft, does that mean approximately 0.28 Ohm/cm, so I'd need about 5 cm of that wire to get a 1.4 Ohm resistance?

Hey mate -- you're at the point in your education where you should go through some coil building tutorials online via youtube or static pages, and that part will click for you. When you're ready, keep the below link and it's calculators in mind.

Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

 

[BoomerFZ1]

Alright,
Trust me when I say we all learned at sometime or another, few of us went from the fry pan straight in to the frier without some experience under our belts though even back when RBA's were new most knew the dangers of venting batteries due to hard shorts and the likes.

The Mutation X is no shabby attomizer, in fact its my all day vape personally. The atomizer is far from useless and will last you years to come with care, typically the resounding theme you'll hear is that you need to oHm it out first and understand fully how to build a basic coil. Also that your mod (battery or in your case ego twist) just won't carry the load of a low ohm coil. sure you could build it out high ohm using 32 gauge wire without any complications and run it on your ego. For fun I ran a 1.8 ohm RST tank on a blu battery once just to prove it could be done (Btw, it didn't last for a long while but still vaped). This is however after 2 years of building coil systems and trust me I double checked my measurements and still to this day do with a trusty ohm meter.

Basically everyone here is saying to do it safe and do it right, we put safety first and foremost before most everything and that is just because vaping should be an enjoyment and not wondering if your going to detonate a mod due to unsafe builds. Drunken Batman has some good points to take home and run with, and the RBA thread here on ECF won't steer you wrong. As I mentioned in my previous post visit your local brick and mortar shop if you don't have one put an all call out to some local vapers in the area to sit down with you and run through the basics (Besides, you can usually try new juices while your at it as well).
Have fun but be safe is all, there is a lot to learn and your just now beginning to see the forest through the trees in front of you on this one.

I understand about the FDA ruling, I myself have a stock pile of stuff but lets look at what they will go after first.
Mods-Not likely, since most of the components are sourced electronics from radio shack (or can be) and worse case is people can put them together from spare parts, also they can be marketed as "Flash lights" if needs be.
Atomizers- Maybe so, but then again in reality what kind of restriction can they put on them, without wick and wire there is nothing they could say is causing harm here. Put a LED bulb in the screw posts and you have a flashlight head, hard to limit that.
Liquids- Most likely, they contain nicotine which in its own right is a class controlled chemical, also because we are putting it into our bodies through vaporization then they could deem it a atomized drug, this is likely the FDA's target I would suspect.

So take it slow, learn what you can and everything you can. If you were near by I'd invite you over for a crash course 101 on everything E-Cig if preparing for the legislation is your concern. We are here to help you in what you need just ask lots of questions and you'll find the answer or better yet be shown in person.
Also attend vape meets if you can, a great place to try new things, meet new people and exchange contact info. This will become important in the future should anything happen, trust me on that.

Why would a frying pan be on a frier (as God is my witness, I tried not to...sorry!)?

 

[Barrett1900]

For That RDA I would def recommend buying either a mechanical mod or a variable wattage/ voltage device that could put out around 35 watts. The EGO twist battery doesn't have enough power to crank through a rebuildable rda and is not suitable with any sort of sub ohming

 

[Shadou]

You can always get some bulk pre-wrapped coils if you feel coiling is a hassle. You can get a bag of 50 for $2 and fasttech. Still recommend an ohm meter to test on though and a butane torch to use on your coil builds

 

[four2109]

I think you should back up, and google "lithium battery fire". Click on images, then videos, then do some research. Be safe.

 

[Atomiciser]

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Nice, that's perfect, thanks!

I think you should back up, and google "lithium battery fire". Click on images, then videos, then do some research. Be safe.

I hear ya and totally get what you're saying but here's the thing.

These devices don't come with instruction manuals or safety warnings of any kind. I found the mutant X on my regular vendor's website after deciding to save money and plan for the future by building my own, thought it looked robust and googled how to build it, coming across the Abby Vapes video linked earlier. I did exactly as she did, except she didn't specify I needed a special battery. Nobody did.

You guys have been an epic help and I've a much better idea of what's going on now, but the industry and community need to start pruning off a lot of jargon and acronyms and putting together step by step instructions to inform others. Hell even my wristwatch came with a brief instructional on how it works - I mean I could have spent half an hour googling third party websites of dubious vintage hinting at half the picture until I pieced it all together, but I didn't have to. And that's a good thing.

This isn't a criticism by the by, it's an observation from an enthusiastic newcomer to what is still a very young industry. Documentation isn't a sign of weakness.

 

[drunkenbatman]

Hell even my wristwatch came with a brief instructional on how it works - I mean I could have spent half an hour googling third party websites of dubious vintage hinting at half the picture until I pieced it all together, but I didn't have to. And that's a good thing.

Nog, the truth is advanced vaping is really only a generation or two away from a guy hooking up a modified flashlight to some resistance wire and talking to his friends about it. Couple that with an exploding market and people dropping into it with wildly divergent knowledge bases and it's a mess.

Again, don't get discouraged. Respect the power of the battery, and learn as much as you can by going through multiple tutorials and if you can't find the answer yourself -- ask.

 

[deach]

While I'm sorry it didn't come with a manual, you're at least at a place now where you will get help and learn. I'll come out and say it. STOP trying to even put the thing on the ego battery. That's simply asking for trouble. You have been given some really good advice here, just take this purchase as a lesson and go forward. To continue to complain about a lack of a manual is useless. Personally I don't buy anything I don't know how it works, why it works, and exactly how I'm going to use it. Money is too precious to simply buy things I don't know about.

Good luck to you in your vaping future, glad you're here and on the right track.

 

[Atomiciser]

I'll come out and say it. STOP trying to even put the thing on the ego battery.

Thanks for that chief but we got there about two pages ago.

 

[edyle]

Okay, well I guess this thread is as good as any to see if I understand all this. What I have right now are two ego-c twist batteries, a mutant X atomiser and an aspire nautilus tank. They're fine except I keep needing to buy new coils, so I want to make my own coils.

From the sounds of things the mutant X is meant for cloud chasers, I'm not overly interested in that, I just want to be able to build my own coils and vape. Wish I'd found this forum before buying!

I can either buy a new rebuildable or get one of these box mod devices, but they don't come cheap. People feel a mechanical mod, although much cheaper, would be dangerous at my present level of experience. I'm still tempted to give them a try as a multimeter is winging its way through the postal system to me right now.

Are they really that risky if I stay over one ohm and not push any limits, are they only meant to produce lots of clouds or also be durable and long lasting? The latter is by far the most interesting to me.

In terms of batteries I'm looking at something called a Sony IMR 18650 1600mAh 3.7v 30A discharge battery, US18650VTC3 18650VTC3, does that look about right? Or there's a dude selling SONY VTC Series IMR High 30A Drain LiMN 18650 Battery (VTC4 2100mah).

Sorry for all the newb questions but there aren't any vape shops around here and those vapers I know are happy with their clearomisers!

1:
Your mutation x or any other rda is just fine for being able to build your own coils and vape instead of needing to buy new coils all the time.
The trick, as you have stumbled on already, is in what gauge wire you should be using in it, compared to your power source (battery).

2:
For starting out, I highly recommend a regulated mod such as a vamo, svd, or other mod with a SCREEN so that you can get information.
After a few months of vaping, with the experience you will know what you are doing, and then you can use a mechanical mod; you can also get a kick module with the mech so that you have regulated power.

I have a mech and a kick but I never actually use them; it's for last resort backup.

Yes the IMR batteries are the type recommended for vaping.