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I'll also be following this with interest. I only just started vaping, but for various reasons decided to start mixing my own right from the start.
So far I haven't done much, added nicotine to no-nic tanks (enjuice flavours) I got with my starting kit, experimented a bit with just diluting the now nicotinized no-nic juices further, made a weak menthol-alcohol solution and tested adding that. Just the really simple stuff.
What I have discovered so far is probably not of any use to anyone besides myself, namely that for me less is more. I'm prefering far lower nicotine levels than I had anticipated, and it seems that I'll not become a heavy user of flavours either (I think it is FlavourArt flavours I mostly have, so they are rather strong).
My first from-scratch mix (after experimenting with adding 36mg/ml PG nicotine to no-nic liquids to find the right nic-level for me) is a very simple 90/10 PG/VG mix with 10mg/ml nicotine and flavoured with 7% FA Virginia. Now when I just sniff the bottle it seems crazily strong/sweet. I did like it with a few drops of menthol alcohol added directly in the (1ml) tank. But I liked it even better when I topped up that tank with unflavoured 70/30 13mg/ml liquid...
So far I haven't done much, added nicotine to no-nic tanks (enjuice flavours) I got with my starting kit, experimented a bit with just diluting the now nicotinized no-nic juices further, made a weak menthol-alcohol solution and tested adding that. Just the really simple stuff.
What I have discovered so far is probably not of any use to anyone besides myself, namely that for me less is more. I'm prefering far lower nicotine levels than I had anticipated, and it seems that I'll not become a heavy user of flavours either (I think it is FlavourArt flavours I mostly have, so they are rather strong).
My first from-scratch mix (after experimenting with adding 36mg/ml PG nicotine to no-nic liquids to find the right nic-level for me) is a very simple 90/10 PG/VG mix with 10mg/ml nicotine and flavoured with 7% FA Virginia. Now when I just sniff the bottle it seems crazily strong/sweet. I did like it with a few drops of menthol alcohol added directly in the (1ml) tank. But I liked it even better when I topped up that tank with unflavoured 70/30 13mg/ml liquid...
I want to follow this thread also. Have never made a tobacco DIY but would be interested in trying it out!
Tob 4:
15% seedman commercial cigarette concentrate (make sure it isn't the diluted version)
4 drops tpa tobacco absolute diluted per 10ml of final eliquid
Tob 5:
15% seedman commercial
3% natures flavors or capellas hazelnut
2 drops tpa ta diluted per 10ml
Vanilla tobacco:
12% tpa tobacco blend
8% natures flavors vanilla
(various natures flavors fruits can be substituted for the vanilla)
Here's the natures flavors area with the proper flavorings: http://www.naturesflavors.com/index...ntrates/organic-flavors-for-coffee-beans.html
15% seedman commercial cigarette concentrate (make sure it isn't the diluted version)
4 drops tpa tobacco absolute diluted per 10ml of final eliquid
Tob 5:
15% seedman commercial
3% natures flavors or capellas hazelnut
2 drops tpa ta diluted per 10ml
Vanilla tobacco:
12% tpa tobacco blend
8% natures flavors vanilla
(various natures flavors fruits can be substituted for the vanilla)
Here's the natures flavors area with the proper flavorings: http://www.naturesflavors.com/index...ntrates/organic-flavors-for-coffee-beans.html
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All for 10ml batch @ 15% flavor. All flavors are TPA
Black Cherry Tobacco
% Total Flav ML Drops
Black Cherry Flavor 28.57% 0.43 13
Tobacco Blend (PG) 57.14% 0.86 26
Sweetener 14.29% 0.21 6
Grape Tobacco
Grape 34.62% 0.52 16
Tobacco Blend (PG) 65.38% 0.98 29
Peach Tobacco
Juicy Peach 34.62% 0.52 16
Tobacco Blend (PG) 65.38% 0.98 29
Black Cherry Tobacco
% Total Flav ML Drops
Black Cherry Flavor 28.57% 0.43 13
Tobacco Blend (PG) 57.14% 0.86 26
Sweetener 14.29% 0.21 6
Grape Tobacco
Grape 34.62% 0.52 16
Tobacco Blend (PG) 65.38% 0.98 29
Peach Tobacco
Juicy Peach 34.62% 0.52 16
Tobacco Blend (PG) 65.38% 0.98 29
Smooth Virginia Tobacco
2% FA Virginia
2% TA diluted with 10% ethyl maltol
I usually end up adding 2 more drops of Virginia and 2 drops TA to get it just right for a 30 ml batch.
2% FA Virginia
2% TA diluted with 10% ethyl maltol
I usually end up adding 2 more drops of Virginia and 2 drops TA to get it just right for a 30 ml batch.
Tobacco flavors are VERY strong! You usually don't need much more than 1 or 2% added to your base liquid.
I like Flavor Art tobaccos for the most part. Cowboy and Tuscan Reserve are 2 of my favorites. You really should add a bit of sweetener also. It takes some of the harshness off the tobacco flavor.
Tobacco flavors also need to steep for about a week after mixing them. They are the big culprits of the chemically/perfumery taste everyone always complains about. It will disappear after a week of steeping.
Okay...Here's a common tobacco recipe I use for Flavor Art Tobaccos.
5ml of NIC/PG/VG base
2 drops of Tobacco Flavor
2 drops of Ethyl Maltol (Sweetener)
That's it! Shake well and wait about a week.
This is a very clean mix and your cartos, clearos and attys will last a long time vaping this clean mix.
Optional: Dilute 2 drops of Tobacco Absolute into 5ml of PG. THEN...Use 2 drops of the diluted mixture to flavor your tobacco mix. Tobacco Absolute is REALLY REALLY STRONG!
Remember back to when you were using analogs, the analog flavor was subtle, it didn't knock your socks off.
This is actually my base flavor. I add other flavors to this base. All my mixes have a tobacco base flavor.
Hope this helps!
Good luck!
Pete
I like Flavor Art tobaccos for the most part. Cowboy and Tuscan Reserve are 2 of my favorites. You really should add a bit of sweetener also. It takes some of the harshness off the tobacco flavor.
Tobacco flavors also need to steep for about a week after mixing them. They are the big culprits of the chemically/perfumery taste everyone always complains about. It will disappear after a week of steeping.
Okay...Here's a common tobacco recipe I use for Flavor Art Tobaccos.
5ml of NIC/PG/VG base
2 drops of Tobacco Flavor
2 drops of Ethyl Maltol (Sweetener)
That's it! Shake well and wait about a week.
This is a very clean mix and your cartos, clearos and attys will last a long time vaping this clean mix.
Optional: Dilute 2 drops of Tobacco Absolute into 5ml of PG. THEN...Use 2 drops of the diluted mixture to flavor your tobacco mix. Tobacco Absolute is REALLY REALLY STRONG!
Remember back to when you were using analogs, the analog flavor was subtle, it didn't knock your socks off.
This is actually my base flavor. I add other flavors to this base. All my mixes have a tobacco base flavor.
Hope this helps!
Good luck!
Pete
% depends on the flavorings, which vary hugely.
The recipes I posted are solid, though people should always feel free to tailor them.
The recipes I posted are solid, though people should always feel free to tailor them.
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I've read this over and over and over - add a sweetener/ethyl maltol, and I don't get it.
Now, I am very very new to vaping, and hence also new to mixing my liquid, but the thing I immediately noticed with the pre-mixed non-nic tobacco samplers I got with my starting kit was that they are all *too sweet*.
A few days later when I got my DIY materials I started by just adding nicotine (for a strength of 10-15mg/ml) to the premixed tobacco no-nics. It helped a little bit. But it is still *sweet*.
My only adventure so far is something of an idiot beginner's mistake: using FA's Virginia at 7%... very very overpowering - and again SWEET. (I just mixed some unflavoured liquid and have been topping up my tank alternating between a few drops of my too strong Virginia and a few drops of my unflavoured. Once the few ml of my too strong Virginia has steeped (didn't know that either), I will probably dilute it to something like 2% flavouring, maybe mix something else into it too.)
Can someone explain this idea about adding something to make tobacco flavours *more* sweet, because I just don't get it?
Now, if you were adding it to unflavoured higher-nic liquids, that I could see - if making it more sweet would reduce the "tongue bite" of non-masked nicotine (it is almost like when I was young and tried smoking way too strong pipe tobacco). But adding it to tobacco flavours mixed to your preferred strength? Huh?
I use mostly Inawera's tobacco flavors available here locally, some of them (Gold Ducat and some others) are really good and strong (from 1 drops to 5 ml to 1 drop per ml). Having about 10 of them allows me to pamper my taste buds. I think I don't like exactly the ashtray taste, that is the reason I have not tried their Dirty Base. I just ordered Inawera's basic Tobacco, maybe then I just use it as base and add a touch of other tastes like chocolate, coffe or something else.
Here is what I have on the way to me. I should get it next week.
MFS 120 ml 48mg nic. Pg base
PA Tobacco Absolute (1. Pure)-8ml 1
PA 4 Cotton Candy Flavor-4oz 1
Propylene Glycol (PG)-16oz 1
Vegetable Glycerine (VG)-16oz 1
4oz bottle with cap-1 bottle flip cap 3
1 Large Disposable Pipettes - 5ml-bag of 25
Seedmans 1 TOBS08 Cocoa Flavor 1/2 Ounce Concentrate
Seedmans 2 TOBS12 Commercial Cigarette Flavor 1/2 Ounce Concentrate
Seedmans 1 TOBS16 Vanilla Flavor 1/2 Ounce Concentrate
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Burley - 5ml
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Cocoa - 5ml
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Cuban Supreme - 5ml
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Dark Vapure - 5ml
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Latakia - 5ml
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Oba Oba - 5ml
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Perique Black
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Ultimate 7 Leaves -
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Virginia - 5ml
Lets Keep those recipes coming. Thank You everyone.
Dave
MFS 120 ml 48mg nic. Pg base
PA Tobacco Absolute (1. Pure)-8ml 1
PA 4 Cotton Candy Flavor-4oz 1
Propylene Glycol (PG)-16oz 1
Vegetable Glycerine (VG)-16oz 1
4oz bottle with cap-1 bottle flip cap 3
1 Large Disposable Pipettes - 5ml-bag of 25
Seedmans 1 TOBS08 Cocoa Flavor 1/2 Ounce Concentrate
Seedmans 2 TOBS12 Commercial Cigarette Flavor 1/2 Ounce Concentrate
Seedmans 1 TOBS16 Vanilla Flavor 1/2 Ounce Concentrate
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Burley - 5ml
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Cocoa - 5ml
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Cuban Supreme - 5ml
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Dark Vapure - 5ml
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Latakia - 5ml
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Oba Oba - 5ml
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Perique Black
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Ultimate 7 Leaves -
Flavourart eLiquid Flavouring Virginia - 5ml
Lets Keep those recipes coming. Thank You everyone.
Dave
Mixing the FA tobaccos at 1-2% is all you'll need when starting out. As you become familiar with the characteristics of the tobaccos, you may find that going higher works better. Some of our DIY'ers are mixing certain tobaccos at 10+ percent and find they take on a whole new personality at high strength. Virginia mixed at 2% isn't very sweet IMO, and seems a little "dry" and that's why I add 2% TA (diluted with ethyl maltol) to give it more body and smooth it out. EM doesn't sweeten the way sucralose does. It is more of a smoothing agent. You can purchase FA Bitter Wizard to cut the sweetness of the tobaccos. I have never used it but have read many posts of others using it with success to get rid of the sweet taste in their tobacco mixes. HTH I'm still pretty much of a noob myself so maybe one of the heavy weights will pop in and give you some better guidance.
Ive been going through a lot of old posts looking for tobacco recipes and it seems like most people fail in their attempts. I think the tobacco recipes are the hardest to perfect and the reason why I don't like most vendors tobacco juice. I like subtle notes in my tobacco juice and for me most vendors go way overboard with flavors. Some like a lot of flavor in their tobacco juice and some even complain that there is not enough flavor in tobacco juice. Ive searched for hours and hours reading reviews and looking for recipes and they are not easy to come by.
I agree with those that say some are too floral or have a chemical taste because that has been my experience as well. That is also why I want to DIY so I can make something that works for me. Ive seen so many reviews and purchased juice on those reviews only to be disappointed. When I read a review that says it has a strong chocolate taste or vanilla or whatever I immediately move on and do not purchase that juice because that is not what I want. One thing I like about BWB is his tobacco is for the most part well balanced and blended. That is my opinion and some don't like Dons stuff because his flavors seem weak. I'm not a BWB fanboy and I don't like all of his stuff but he does have a few really good ones. To me a good tobacco juice should be like a well prepared meal where no one flavor over powers the rest and they all come together to make something great and balanced. Each flavor should be there but you have to kinda look for it and search it out. Like a fine wine or a good cigar. That is what I want in a juice. Not something thrown together that taste like a hodge podge. They say good food is good when the cook puts love in it and I agree. I don't taste the love in most juice.
I like to cook and have been for over 20 years and I can't stand to go out to eat because most times I'm let down by what I think is going to be a good dish or I know what it should taste like if it is prepared properly. So I cook my own food and I know whats in it and I make it the way I would want it. That is why I want to DIY my own juice.
Seems like this thread is going nowhere either because those that have a good recipe don't want to share it or they haven't figured it out for themselves. I guess I will have to experiment on my own and see if I can come up with something that I like. I'm pretty much done wasting my money on bad juice. I have a box full now.
Dave
I agree with those that say some are too floral or have a chemical taste because that has been my experience as well. That is also why I want to DIY so I can make something that works for me. Ive seen so many reviews and purchased juice on those reviews only to be disappointed. When I read a review that says it has a strong chocolate taste or vanilla or whatever I immediately move on and do not purchase that juice because that is not what I want. One thing I like about BWB is his tobacco is for the most part well balanced and blended. That is my opinion and some don't like Dons stuff because his flavors seem weak. I'm not a BWB fanboy and I don't like all of his stuff but he does have a few really good ones. To me a good tobacco juice should be like a well prepared meal where no one flavor over powers the rest and they all come together to make something great and balanced. Each flavor should be there but you have to kinda look for it and search it out. Like a fine wine or a good cigar. That is what I want in a juice. Not something thrown together that taste like a hodge podge. They say good food is good when the cook puts love in it and I agree. I don't taste the love in most juice.
I like to cook and have been for over 20 years and I can't stand to go out to eat because most times I'm let down by what I think is going to be a good dish or I know what it should taste like if it is prepared properly. So I cook my own food and I know whats in it and I make it the way I would want it. That is why I want to DIY my own juice.
Seems like this thread is going nowhere either because those that have a good recipe don't want to share it or they haven't figured it out for themselves. I guess I will have to experiment on my own and see if I can come up with something that I like. I'm pretty much done wasting my money on bad juice. I have a box full now.
Dave
Thanks, Lyndagayle - I actually have already bought a small bottle of Bitter Wizard, just haven't tried it yet.
Landscaper, I'll be very very interested to read what you come up with! Though extremely new to vaping I've already discovered that I like my tastes verrry subtle.
I'm guessing you have already tried commercial tobacco-flavoured liquids and cutting them with unflavoured liquid?
I'm also prone to just surf along as soon as I see the words "spicy", "sweet", "vanilla", "chocolate" etc in the description of a tobacco flavour, so I would be interested to know if you have any favourites, or rather "this is the least horrible of a sorry bunch", among either commercial liquids or flavourings?
(Not that it isn't fun mixing and playing, but I would love to find a nice everyday vape as soon as possible. Something rather dry, with a discreet scent, non-sweet, suitable for medium-low nic strength - I now know that the nicotine neutralizes a lot of the worst sweet/caramel taste, but I don't want to have to use more than I like. BTW, this nicotine-sweetness connection, I wonder if it isn't true for tobacco generally - the few cigarettes with a hint of sweetness (Camel, Sobranie Cocktail) that I have liked even a bit have all been pretty high nic...)
Landscaper, I'll be very very interested to read what you come up with! Though extremely new to vaping I've already discovered that I like my tastes verrry subtle.
I'm guessing you have already tried commercial tobacco-flavoured liquids and cutting them with unflavoured liquid?
I'm also prone to just surf along as soon as I see the words "spicy", "sweet", "vanilla", "chocolate" etc in the description of a tobacco flavour, so I would be interested to know if you have any favourites, or rather "this is the least horrible of a sorry bunch", among either commercial liquids or flavourings?
(Not that it isn't fun mixing and playing, but I would love to find a nice everyday vape as soon as possible. Something rather dry, with a discreet scent, non-sweet, suitable for medium-low nic strength - I now know that the nicotine neutralizes a lot of the worst sweet/caramel taste, but I don't want to have to use more than I like. BTW, this nicotine-sweetness connection, I wonder if it isn't true for tobacco generally - the few cigarettes with a hint of sweetness (Camel, Sobranie Cocktail) that I have liked even a bit have all been pretty high nic...)
Hi there,
I just ordered a bunch of stuff last week and I'm expecting them this week so I haven't even been able to mix anything yet or try anything yet. Scuba Dan posted his base in a few other threads and I will try that as one of my experiments. One thing I have discovered from buying vendors tobacco pre made juices, the natural tobacco extracts are good to a point but they lack that brightness in taste and seem dull and heavy. They will clog your equipment up no matter what you use. I thought I wanted more of a natural tobacco juice when on my hunt for a good everyday tobacco juice but the natural tobacco juices that I tried so far just don't do it for me.
I think the better tobacco juices out there have a good natural base and then are tweaked with tobacco flavors. So far the best tobacco vendor I found for what I like is BWB. The Backo is a very subtle tobacco that is clean and fresh. I use that to mix with other vendors juice to salvage some junk I bought. Its good on its own but is too subtle. I really like his Ry4 because it has a very good tobacco base that almost has a chewing tobacco flavor. It has subtle hints of vanilla and cocoa. It is very very good in my opinion. Some don't like it. Another good one from BWB is the Casablanca.
It has a good cocoa finish that reminds me of a good turkish cig. I used to smoke different types of cigs. but the one I liked the most was Camel Turkish Royal. Casablanca reminds me of that, its almost as good as the real thing. Those 2 juices from BWB seem to be from the same tobacco base and are the same in color. Same with Ejoker, it has the same base but he adds a cinnamon and some type of cool ingredient to it that gives it a taste that is just amazing. Some don't like it but I think its rather good. I didn't know if I would like it because it was described as having cinnamon in it but it is good in a weird kinda way. Its addicting. I don't know how he does it but he has mastered those three and like I said they are bright in flavor and they perform really well in my equipment and they produce tons of vapor and good TH.
The only problem with BWB is they are hardly available. Well the ones that I like. His other tobacco flavors are OK but there is too much flavor in some that to me take away from the tobacco. Like I said I like subtle flavors.
It will probably be a while before I post any results of my experiments but as soon as I get something I will post it. I would like to duplicate some of Don's stuff but I'm sure he spent many hours with trial and error perfecting his juice. I'm pretty good at taking flavors apart. Because of my wifes job she goes out to lunch with her co workers quite often and is almost always disappointed with what she gets, but on that rare occasion she does find something she likes she will bring a little home for me to try and also to try to duplicate. I'm pretty good at breaking down the ingredients and copying the original and I usually improve on what they made. So it may take a while but I will eventually be able to duplicate those juices I do like. I hope so anyway.
Good Luck and Happy Vaping
Dave
Okay...Time to share a few things I have learned in DIY.
First off...I love Backwoods Brew. Don has a very subtle hand with ingredients. His juice tastes great and ages well. That's one thing you must keep in mind. The e-juice you make today will keep changing as it ages. Most mixes will taste chemically/perfumery for the first week after mixing. Prime time for e-juice IMHO is when it is 2 to maybe 4 weeks old, after that decline sets in. At 5 weeks and longer most of the flavor will have disappeared and you will be left with juice that tastes kinda/sorta like that prime juice you had a couple of weeks ago. That's why it pays to write down your recipes, it makes it really easy to duplicate a good juice or make changes to a not so good juice later on. I write the recipe onto the labels that I put on the bottle before I even start mixing. I think this is the reason China juices can't compete with custom juice makers. If juice sits in a warehouse for a month or two it just isn't going to have that kick you get from a fresh-made juice.
Landscaper....You mentioned Backo.
Try the Flavor Art Cowboy at 2 drops per 5ml base with 2 drops Ethyl Maltol and then let me know what you think.
Sweeteners....
Big Tobacco has been adding all kind of ingredients to analogs over the years to get us hooked and keep us hooked. I doubt if you could find an analog without some type of sweetener added. Don't forget, all these flavorings and sweeteners we are talking about are chemicals, in most cases they are completely man-made and are not organic at all. It is not like we are adding sugar to our juice when we add sweeteners, they just taste sweet.
Gotta go...
Be back later...
Pete
First off...I love Backwoods Brew. Don has a very subtle hand with ingredients. His juice tastes great and ages well. That's one thing you must keep in mind. The e-juice you make today will keep changing as it ages. Most mixes will taste chemically/perfumery for the first week after mixing. Prime time for e-juice IMHO is when it is 2 to maybe 4 weeks old, after that decline sets in. At 5 weeks and longer most of the flavor will have disappeared and you will be left with juice that tastes kinda/sorta like that prime juice you had a couple of weeks ago. That's why it pays to write down your recipes, it makes it really easy to duplicate a good juice or make changes to a not so good juice later on. I write the recipe onto the labels that I put on the bottle before I even start mixing. I think this is the reason China juices can't compete with custom juice makers. If juice sits in a warehouse for a month or two it just isn't going to have that kick you get from a fresh-made juice.
Landscaper....You mentioned Backo.
Try the Flavor Art Cowboy at 2 drops per 5ml base with 2 drops Ethyl Maltol and then let me know what you think.
Sweeteners....
Big Tobacco has been adding all kind of ingredients to analogs over the years to get us hooked and keep us hooked. I doubt if you could find an analog without some type of sweetener added. Don't forget, all these flavorings and sweeteners we are talking about are chemicals, in most cases they are completely man-made and are not organic at all. It is not like we are adding sugar to our juice when we add sweeteners, they just taste sweet.
Gotta go...
Be back later...
Pete
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