recommendation 200W Dual and Triple 18650 TC (with screws not magnets?)

[vapesmooth123]

For a triple 18650, I might prefer something shaped like the Wismec Reuleaux RX200. The others seem too wide and ridiculous but I'm sort of open to those because while the Reuleaux may feel better in the hand, the wider mod might sit better in a pocket.

I started learning about new mods. I haven't been keeping up with anything since I bought a DNA30 dual 18650 Hana a couple years ago but I figure asking you can help make this purchase much easier.

I'm hoping to find something that screws together instead of magnets. I haven't needed to access my batteries in almost two years. I don't know why they make MODs with magnets instead of much more secure screws. Actually, it seems my choices are very limited for MODs with screws. Some of the dual 18650 have a snap door on the bottom which I think I'll prefer.

Because big octa coils for things like the TFV8 are coming out which require upwards of 200W to use correctly, I don't want to kill the batteries too quickly with only dual 18650 even though I use pass through almost half the time. Burning through a lot of juice is okay though since I DIY and juice is cheap. I probably won't normally vape gigantic clouds but I always wanted to but never got into it.. But I'm still sort of okay with buying both a dual and triple 18650 mod (to have the dual just because it's smaller and it might have slightly better features than whatever triple I chose).

Another thing is I hope it's waterproof. I don't make a mess of juice on the mod but drips or handling with wet hands sometimes, if it's waterproof seems like a no brainer they should all have a gasket (I might even try and add a min gasket if needed and possible). Screens on the top of the MOD sort of scare me that juice will enter and break it.


I'm looking for 200W for the triple 18650 and 150ish for the dual 18650 (even though I probably will only use the dual 18650 at 50-100W but would rather be safe than sorry. I'm basically stocking up now in case regulations make prices sky rocket).


Price range is basically as cheap as can get it done. I'm not trying to be cheap but MODs seem to be super cheap nowadays so I'm thinking I can get them for less than $50-75 each.

Also I need QUALITY, SAFE battery recommendations. I need three batteries, I don't care how much they cost, sort of.


I don't know if I want a parallel or series MOD. I know I want a safe regulated mod but I see still some are labeled as series or parallel which I know absolutely nothing about other than I did some googling and apparently still some mods are unregulated like the original mechanical mods that blew up in peoples faces? I don't know.


One thing is that right now I vape a very basic single coil RDA at only like 11 Watts and the kanthal coil is about 2-2.8 ohms. I try to go for a 1.8 build but for some reason my mod flashes and forces me to vape it at around 15W which is way too burnt, so I rebuild the coil to 2-2.5 and I can vape it as low as 7Watts on this DNA 30 Hana clone. Just saying that in case I revert back to this simple single coil 2ohm build, I want to make sure the mod can vape that high of an ohm coil. What I plan to vape mostly though is dual coils for fat clouds but I don't think I'll need to do crazy low ohm builds. I just ordered a Vaporesso Gemini (similar to a griffin or Aromamizer RTA), and also ordering a couple new RDAs, and then some fancy Clapton and parallel etc coil wire. And possibly ordering the TFV8 (I presume they'll release a V2 soon with top air flow and some other features).



I went on fasttech and looked at every TC MOD they have (I don't really know what TC is about but I want to have the option open to use SS or titanium etc coils). I saved a lot of links to dual and triple 18650 mods and then deleted some based on just that there were not a lot of reviews for them nor videos on youtube about them.

I'm leaning very much towards just getting the Wismec RX200 for the triple 18650 but unsure if maybe there's something similar or a V2 or something I should check out instead.

For the Dual 18650, I'm leaning towards the Pioneer4You IPV 5 SX330 or SMOK X Cube II 160W just because they have a lot of reviews and videos and seem popular so I guess they're good.

Anyway, here are what I narrowed things down to for the last few hours and seeing which triple 18650 and dual 18650 you recommend out of these, or if you suggest something different. Also need recommendations for three batteries. THANKS!


Smoktech SMOK X Cube II 160W
$55.79 Authentic Smoktech SMOK X Cube II 160W Temperature Control VW Variable Wattage APV Box Mod - 6-160W / 200-600'F(100-315'C) / 2*18650 / zinc alloy + stainless steel at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping


Authentic Penny 150W TC
$53.07 Authentic Penny 150W TC VW Variable Wattage APV Box Mod - 3-150W / 200-600'F / 2*18650 / aluminum at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Authentic Laisimo S3 200W
$52.01 Authentic Laisimo S3 200W TC VW APV Box Mod - 5-200W / 212-662'F(100-350'C) / 2*18650 at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Authentic Smoktech SMOK H-Priv 220W
$47.08 Authentic Smoktech SMOK H-Priv 220W TC VW APV Box Mod - 6-220W / 200-600'F(100-315'C) / 2*18650 / zinc alloy at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Authentic Smoktech SMOK R200
$43.88 Authentic Smoktech SMOK R200 200W TC VW APV Box Mod - 1-200W / 200-600'F(100-315'C) / 2*18650 at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Authentic Joyetech Cuboid 150W
$38.02 Authentic Joyetech Cuboid 150W TC VW APV Box Mod - 1-150W / 200-600'F (100-315'C) / 2*18650 at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Pioneer4You IPV 5 SX330
Pioneer4You IPV 5 SX330 | eBay

Wismec RX200
Wismec RX200 | eBay

 

[anthropolyte]

That's quite a post. To address some of your questions:

- Most, if not all, multi-18650 or multi-26650 devices will have a "quick release" style battery compartment, whether it be magnets, screw-in caps or a hinged lid. This is because charging multiple batteries in a mod is generally viewed unfavourably. Some chips, including some of the ones you've linked above (especially the RX200), simply don't have the ability to charge batteries evenly. The rule of thumb is to charge removable batteries in a proper charger. If you don't, you run the risk of damaging the batteries or, in the worst case, causing one to vent or explode. Additionally, your batteries will charge quicker with a decent charger, since most mods are limited to 1A charging split evenly (ideally) across the batteries.

- Cost is associated with quality, especially with regards to electronics. If you buy a cheap mod, it will have a cheap circuit board. This makes my first point especially valid, if you're going to go for something inexpensive. If you want to charge batteries in the mod, spend a bit more money and get something which is capable of balanced charging, like a DNA or SX board. There are plenty of options.

- Buy the best batteries you can buy, and charge them in a good quality charger. Recommendations would be XTAR or Nitecore for the charger - for batteries, most recommend the LG "poo brown" ones or the Samsung 25R. Either one will work perfectly well for most setups unless you're going for seriously sub-ohm, high-power builds.

- Some suggestions for multi-battery mods with good boards:

SX Mini Q-Class
Reuleaux DNA200 (NOT the RX200 unless you plan to charge externally)
HCigar VT133

Plenty more to choose from. Do a bit of research.

 

[vapesmooth123]

Oh great, possibly unsafe charging directly to the MOD vs removing the batteries and charging in my nitecore (only an i2 2-slot). Thanks for pointing that out because I almost bought one. Why are manufacturers taking steps backwards!? an extra cm and $1 cost to add a better charging circuit?

I originally saw Riptrippers review of the Wismec RX200 vs the DNA200 and he just said %2 of vapers would only need the DNA200 (to allow to really tweak settings).

I just watched GrimGreens comparison (RX and DNA 200) and he says 'They say you can charge with the USB but they don't recommend it'. He said that for both. So I won't risk it. I will just find another mod all together because no way I'm removing and charging batteries all the time... Just not for me.

If I can't find a 3X 18650 that I can charge directly and has TC and upwards of 200W, I might just get a dual for now (that hopefully can do that).

 

[anthropolyte]

It's not really a step backwards - it's always been recommended to charge batteries outside the mod. It's also a lot more convenient being able to just swap batteries rather than relying on a 1A charging circuit when out and about.

I wouldn't (personally) base my opinion on watching Rip's videos. He talks an awful lot of rubbish most of the time. The DNA boards are excellent, as are the SX boards, and whilst tweaking settings may not appeal to all, the reliability and efficiency are well worth your money. The DNA200 also has balanced charging, whereas the RX200 does not. Hence the warning on the RX200 (I don't believe that the DNA200 carries this note).

It's your call whether you want to charge batteries in the mod or not - I personally wouldn't recommend it in any scenario, but if you're dead set on it, anything with an SX or DNA board should be fine.

 

[sawlight]

Eleaf Istick 200w and be happy. With some Google fu they can easily be found for $40 or less, I got mine for $26 on sale. Then some LG HG2's to run it, done.
Unless you really want to spend the money for the DNA 200, which I won't talk you out of, it's a decent board, but I've heard many say the Istick Pico board, sameish as the Istick 200, is as good or better? I don't know, can't say.
As for the RX200, do some research and use the Google fu again, Wismec will never get another dime from me! Their customer service just flat sucks!

 

[vapesmooth123]

EDIT (Again): WHat the actual F? All of these links I posted, I google the name plus "charge" and Ctrl+F (find Charge) and find that all of these are the same scenario - You either simply can not at all charge them via usb or the manufacturer strongly suggest not to. Why? Well actually I googled why and found some threads on why not, basically like I said, they skimp on the internal charger (or lack there of). But maybe a proper built-in charger would make the mod seriously larger.

I'm fine with spending for a larger charger to charge at least 3 at a time, but then I'll need a back up set that's going to cost like $130 for six batteries. And maybe another charger for the car. I just HATE worrying about batteries running low. This is going to be miserable having batteries and chargers all over the place. I might just get a single 150ish Watt mod which I'm reading is perfectly safe to charge USB if there's only 1 battery. And use that while at the computer or in the car USB and then the charger for triple 18650 when out.

Sidenote, My hana clone DNA30 was like $22 shipped and I've been charging it USB for over two years I think, and I leave it charging over night every night. And back then there was zero mention of this safety concern if I'm not mistaken. I'm using the same batteries almost two years (they were like $25 each though).

 

[vapesmooth123]

I think to keep my sanity about this, best thing is to get a single 18650 that I can safely charge USB and passthough. I may not find one that can put out over 100W and with TC (which I might not even use though). But 100W should be plenty for an all-day-vape, and then get the separate charger and marry 3X 18650s for clouds I can't see my hand in front of my face.

 

[anthropolyte]

You're asking a lot from a single 18650. Even the best ones won't really go past 75W.

If you want to use passthrough, and want a small mod capable of pushing 100W, you're probably much better off going for a built in (but replaceable) LiPo.

 

[sawlight]

If you really really want USB charging on a 200w device that is rock solid, then it's a DNA 200 board. The Eleaf boards are decent, but not to the DNA standard. IF that is the ultimate criteria for you, then DNA.

 

[vapesmooth123]

ok well riddle me this, Suppose I get a triple 18650, and a separate quality charger, and charge them over night every night, how many ml of juice until the batteries die (or possible constantly get too low and shorten their lifespan if that's not a myth), IF I vape sub ohm dual coils? I dunno what ohm or wattage I'd use, I just know I want to make try big clouds finally. I might throw the TFV8 octa coil on there sometimes just for concentrated crave killings also, and I know those need like 150watts and will probably depleat the batteries pretty fast.
I don't see myself ever vaping more than 10ml a day, as of now, and for the past few years, I average about 40ml a week only. Do you think I'll ever need to even worry so much about the batteries dying on me?

I have like a phobia of batteries dying out on me, phone, e cig, shaver, anything with batteries.

But if I get the DNA200 (not a RX200 or other), then it CAN charge USB but is just slower at only 1Amp (but that's probably good enough for when at the computer or in car and then charge in dedicated charger overnight).

From Wismec website on the DNA200

"
Charging
You can take out the lithium-batteries from the device and then charge the cells.
Moreover, it can also be charged via USB cable. "

Reuleaux DNA200 - Wismec Electronics Co.,Ltd

In other words, just I should get the DNA200 version, a separate charger for overnight, and if I find I need to charge it in car or at computer, I can passthrough it @ 1Amp, correct?

 

[anthropolyte]

It's too dependent on your personal tastes to give an accurate figure, and it's also extremely dependent on the efficiency of the board. But if you opt for something like the RX200, which is relatively inefficient - as a rough guide, if I use mine with a 0.6ohm coil running at 30W, it'll last me about two full days, getting through roughly 15ml liquid.

 

[sawlight]

Well, suck it up buttercup! Batteries are going to die, just no way around it! The theory is 300 cycles is an average lifespan. Now abuse them and deep cycle them, run them as low as possible, use them as hard as you can, they die sooner!
But regardless, you will get a bad battery sometime, you will overload a battery sometime, who knows, life happens, sorry but deal with it!
It's not as easy as picking up your favorite pack of smokes and a lighter! It never will be, vaping takes some effort on your part, you've got to find the gear, you've got find the juice, you've got to make it work and be willing to do it!
You are really making more of an issue of this than it is. I've lost count of the batteries and chargers, it is what it is, and it's still cheaper than a carton of smokes a week.

 

[smokinGAVIN]

Do you plan on using your mod while charging at your computer or your car? From what I've read it is not a good idea to do that. Others can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Lowjumper]

Well if your even considering a Reuleaux DNA 200, then consider this

Triade DNA200w | Ecig.com

Yes I have both and the Triade is a much nicer mod, it looks better and is better built!
Pick up a handful of 25Rs and a 4 bay charger = your set.
Two + days of vaping per set and a mod with balance charging (but slow

)

 

[vapesmooth123]

extremely long thread I just started just so titled focused on USB charging possibilities. Sorry.
Are there any 100W+ TC dual/triple 18650 that can safely USB charge?