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[Recycled Roadkill]

I've always been amused how our government would subsidize tobacco growers on one hand and tell us how bad smoking is along with government programs for quitting smoking on another.

Then they wanted to force tobacco companies to put pictures of diseased lungs on cigarette packs from those that smoked and died from lung cancer to tell me that I need to quit. Every pack of cigarettes had a warning from the Surgeon General.

The government has told me in so many ways that I should quit.

Then I finally find an effective method for quitting and the government wants to eliminate that in whatever ways have been presented. And it's always about the money.

 

[dragonpuff]

Big tobacco Co., FDA, Politicians, all sleep in the same bad and scratch each others back..

So why R they agains us(Vapors)

Gov is looseing tax dollars from smoker switching to E-Cigs
Tobacco Co. loosing cig sales.

To me it looks like the FEDS are wanting to SLOW down the USE of e-cigs, behind closed doors they like the smokers taxes and don't want to give those dollars up.

You forgot the pharmaceutical companies, who want us to quit with only their methods so they keep their profits and will pay off any legislator or government agency to get the job done.... they are the worst of all of these imo...

 

[ethebull]

Let's not forget

Cancer is good for business. BP makes billions on it, Hospitals, Doctors.... It is a huge revenue stream through out the world. Never discussed openly, but this is a fact.

 

[tj99959]

This is to good not to post.

Roly Gate:The problem is not tobacco, the problem is smoking it. There is no difference to tea in this regard. Tea contains nicotine and you can smoke it to obtain the nicotine (as they do in prisons when tobacco is barred). By a quirk of history we ended up drinking tea not smoking it. If we had instead smoked tea, exactly the same issues would be present as for smoked tobacco. The same diseases, the same commercialisation, the same protection of smoking by pharma. Anyone suggesting drinking it (tea harm reduction) would be treated in the same way by government and commercial front orgs as THR is - because it would threaten vast incomes. The problem is not tea, it''s how you consume it. The problem is not tobacco, it's how you consume it. They don't have a problem with tobacco in Sweden because the immense volume of facts and evidence show that the average lifespan reduction from long-term Snus consumption is 6 weeks - probably less than for coffee. People should not say tobacco when they mean smoking, and that includes David G. Using 'tobacco' as a synonym for 'smoking', which is what is meant, is a tobacco control industry ploy and part of their propaganda war.
August 10 at 5:55pm ·

 

[gchirki]

This is to good not to post.

o wow that is good. where are you quoting that from? i need to re-check the facts but that might just be the best thing ive heard in weeks. Just sliiiide that into the argument ammo box.

i knew nicotine was in a lot of other plants like tomatoes, etc. but i never thought about that. Whole new perspective on the tobacco plant now.

 

[tj99959]

Roly posted it in a FB thread.

 

[aikanae1]

You're speaking in absolutes at this point. Nothing has been put in place yet, so we'll just have to at this point take a wait and see perspective.

Huh? This is FDA/OMB estimates and if anything they are probably low but I don't think it's possible to get more absolute with this current plan. Waiting until it goes into effect is waiting until it's too late. There is zero chance that Congress will change or alter it - if you haven't been listening, most of them take data direct from FDA / CDC and think "we" are astro-turf / BT tools. The more we try to convince them otherwise, the more entrenched they become they are right. Thank the public health groups for that one. One thing these organizations do really well is marketing and lobbying.

 

[aikanae1]

Just a tad. But I just noticed I have some formidable competition from aikanae1. I need to step up my game.

Realistically that's how things work.
TVECA (tobacco and cigalike companies) had access to deeming regs before they were published.
Full line up of media apprearances beginning the day they were published, "excited" about them (ok if tobacco is excited, I'm worried - that's prob. "cynical" but it's got some good history for the opinion)
Shareholder meeting transcript mention various tobacco firms working on complying for the past 2 years - how? Good chance their attorneys had a heavy hand in writing the deeming requlations and if BT did, then BP did also.
There is ZERO recogniztion of small business in the vaping industry - not in facts / figures / devices / nothing. "WE" don't exist. Fits with the philosphy that only BT and BP are entitled / have some divine right to split the profits from nicotine sales. Not even Congress has looked at vaping by "small business'" - their studies / reports looked at TVECA only. The OMB figured our sales based on cigar sales.

This is my favorite paper
Public Interest Comment, George Mason University, Mercatus Center;
http://mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Marlow_ecig_PIC_062714.pdf

 

[rbrylawski]

Huh? This is FDA/OMB estimates and if anything they are probably low but I don't think it's possible to get more absolute with this current plan. Waiting until it goes into effect is waiting until it's too late. There is zero chance that Congress will change or alter it - if you haven't been listening, most of them take data direct from FDA / CDC and think "we" are astro-turf / BT tools. The more we try to convince them otherwise, the more entrenched they become they are right. Thank the public health groups for that one. One thing these organizations do really well is marketing and lobbying.

OK......I don't want to really debate you. My position is the regulations have not been adopted and we don't know what the final outcome will be. It appears you believe what has been proposed will be. Until they're set in stone, we just won't know.

 

[atroph]

tl/dr paper above other than the conclusion. IMO I doesn't seem that bad. Will fully digest it in a few. Nice to see something "pro-us" from a large university.

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[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

Realistically that's how things work.
TVECA (tobacco and cigalike companies) had access to deeming regs before they were published.
Full line up of media apprearances beginning the day they were published, "excited" about them (ok if tobacco is excited, I'm worried - that's prob. "cynical" but it's got some good history for the opinion)
Shareholder meeting transcript mention various tobacco firms working on complying for the past 2 years - how? Good chance their attorneys had a heavy hand in writing the deeming requlations and if BT did, then BP did also.
There is ZERO recogniztion of small business in the vaping industry - not in facts / figures / devices / nothing. "WE" don't exist. Fits with the philosphy that only BT and BP are entitled / have some divine right to split the profits from nicotine sales. Not even Congress has looked at vaping by "small business'" - their studies / reports looked at TVECA only. The OMB figured our sales based on cigar sales.

This is my favorite paper
Public Interest Comment, George Mason University, Mercatus Center;
http://mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Marlow_ecig_PIC_062714.pdf

This is a brilliant paper, thank you for sharing!

 

[TamiP]

BT is excited because they know if things go the way they are planned to go BT will OWN the legal vaping sales. They have no fear at all. I was passing a Speedway today, and I so wished I had been alone. I would have pulled over and taken a snapshot of the huge signage directly facing the street proclaiming the store an e-cig station or something of the sort, and pics of all the main BT cigalikes they carry. Bold as brass. E-cigs won't die, just the GOOD ones would. BT wants the market cornered, they never did like sharing and they sure as heck don't want their inferior products having to share the market with the knockout stellar products being produced by indies.

 

[jward015]

Anyone have some updates?

 

[sonicdsl]

Anyone have some updates?

There won't be any decisions for some time, and then there will be time before they are finalized, and congress reviews, etc.

You can keep abreast of the latest news & discussion here: FDA Regulations and here: Legislation News .

 

[oplholik]

Just keep up with your state, and local governments for now, as they are the more immediate threats.