The Fine Art of Squonking

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NaOH

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Well it took some time but I finally got it, feeding a reo mini, that is. I think this warrants a thread because I found some of the general info on squonking not so useful for this beginner. A big caveat first: I may be stupid, but...no that's it. Seems like pressing until you get some pressure and hear a gurgle for a moment is the general rule of thumb and works for others. I read it here and I've seen it in countless video reviews of various reos.

But here's the thing; no matter how quickly I would release after hearing a gurgle, and no matter how softly/slowly I would depress the bottle before hearing it I would get one good puff and then my atomizer(s) gave off all the signs of being flooded. The reservoir cup would form that cursed mote and all subsequent drags were just meh until blowing the attie clean and starting again. It was getting a little frustrating

So what I finally arrived at with the reo mini with a 510 atomizer in my first weeks of enjoying it (despite the learning curve) was that if I got to the point of an audible gurgle, it was too much. I think it's that mysterious zone right before you hear the gurgle that saturates 510 atties juuust right. I've also been paying attention to my draw while squonking and feeling it out for that change in pressure. The problem with that was by the time I could discern the tighter draw from getting juice in the attie it was already too late.

How do I get what I'm considering the ideal squonk? Well, I scrapped listening for a gurgle, and waiting for a pressure change and do something a little like this:

1) Start with a steady draw, no button pressing and no bottle pressing.
2) Press the bottle in VERY slightly and hold it there while keeping that steady draw, keep this position for about a second.
3) Press in the bottle just a bit more, and hold for another second, maybe half a second if you're on a full bottle.
4) Release bottle, stop drawing (or don't), and vape.

One nice auditory cue I notice when I get the perfect squonk is after releasing the bottle you can hear the pressure go back down to baseline as you're still drawing and releasing the bottle. I don't know how to describe it, like the Doppler effect happening in your attie. Since doing it like this I rarely get overflow into the reservoir and have been getting the perfect 4-5 puffs after each squonk.

Yes, I've grotesquely over-analyzed this, but maybe it can help someone out ;)
 

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Well it took some time but I finally got it, feeding a reo mini, that is. I think this warrants a thread because I found some of the general info on squonking not so useful for this beginner. A big caveat first: I may be stupid, but...no that's it. Seems like pressing until you get some pressure and hear a gurgle for a moment is the general rule of thumb and works for others. I read it here and I've seen it in countless video reviews of various reos.

But here's the thing; no matter how quickly I would release after hearing a gurgle, and no matter how softly/slowly I would depress the bottle before hearing it I would get one good puff and then my atomizer(s) gave off all the signs of being flooded. The reservoir cup would form that cursed mote and all subsequent drags were just meh until blowing the attie clean and starting again. It was getting a little frustrating

So what I finally arrived at with the reo mini with a 510 atomizer in my first weeks of enjoying it (despite the learning curve) was that if I got to the point of an audible gurgle, it was too much. I think it's that mysterious zone right before you hear the gurgle that saturates 510 atties juuust right. I've also been paying attention to my draw while squonking and feeling it out for that change in pressure. The problem with that was by the time I could discern the tighter draw from getting juice in the attie it was already too late.

How do I get what I'm considering the ideal squonk? Well, I scrapped listening for a gurgle, and waiting for a pressure change and do something a little like this:

1) Start with a steady draw, no button pressing and no bottle pressing.
2) Press the bottle in VERY slightly and hold it there while keeping that steady draw, keep this position for about a second.
3) Press in the bottle just a bit more, and hold for another second, maybe half a second if you're on a full bottle.
4) Release bottle, stop drawing (or don't), and vape.

One nice auditory cue I notice when I get the perfect squonk is after releasing the bottle you can hear the pressure go back down to baseline as you're still drawing and releasing the bottle. I don't know how to describe it, like the Doppler effect happening in your attie. Since doing it like this I rarely get overflow into the reservoir and have been getting the perfect 4-5 puffs after each squonk.

Yes, I've grotesquely over-analyzed this, but maybe it can help someone out ;)

Ive had the same exact issues as you when it comes to flooding. I began just pressing lightly for a few seconds, then letting go. I usually listen for a change in sound, but this could explain why getting a good squonk is hard for me while driving (or any other place with high ambient noise)
 

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Ive had the same exact issues as you when it comes to flooding. I began just pressing lightly for a few seconds, then letting go. I usually listen for a change in sound, but this could explain why getting a good squonk is hard for me while driving (or any other place with high ambient noise)

Yes! I think that's the hardest part, in fact for a bit I would turn off my music to squonk. Eventually, though, it seems you get to a point where you can feel it out without listening for it.
 

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I've taken to just keeping the door off most of the time. Its much easier for me to get a good visual of the jucie feeding up the tube. Once I see it get to the connector I give a dry pull, then vape away 3 to 4 pulls. Been doing this for a while and it works quite well for me, and practicing that way with the visual feedback also seems to have help my blind squonking skillz.
 

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I generally agree- if you hear a gurgle it's too late. Mine is all about feeling pressure from sucking. It really depends on the atty too (how drilled out it is/airy, etc) and how full your bottle is. I guess after a year, I just sort of know intuitively how much to push on the bottle or how much to suck...either way, just a slight pressure change and I stop the squonk- It's almost like sucking through a straw with a hole in it. As soon as you cover the hole with your finger and feel a "solidness," this is when you stop. If your bottle is pretty much empty, you may never get that solid feeling- and you'll be pushing the heck out of your bottle to get a good hit. This means only one thing- grab a different Reo or refill the bottle!
 

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Squonking is similar to driving and sex ...... everyone thinks their great at it :D

Glad you got it worked out, I do 100% blind squonk and go by feel. I like to squonk as little as possible and more often if possible. The only atomizer I ever occasionally over do it with is the HH-357, its a bugger to get just right by feel sometimes.
 

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I only do it blind- I never do it looking for or seeing the liquid peer through the holes.
I don't have the push the bottle and go method down at all- afraid I would flood it if I did it Rob's way, but then again, he's a Jedi Squonktologist! LOL
I never flood unless it's already flooded (like my Reo left in a hot car).
Everyone's method is different.
 

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I only do it blind- I never do it looking for or seeing the liquid peer through the holes.
I don't have the push the bottle and go method down at all- afraid I would flood it if I did it Rob's way, but then again, he's a Jedi Squonktologist! LOL
I never flood unless it's already flooded (like my Reo left in a hot car).
Everyone's method is different.

Yeah my Reo always becomes flooded after sitting in a hot car...and after being on an aircraft ground pressure check!
 

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Well, I said that I never flood w/ blind squonk and I just now did.
Hint- If your battery is low, you'll keep squonking and can flood your Reo (blow out your atty and put a fresh battery in).
If you still flood- check your atty- it may be on it's way out.

So, in summary- I can flood if a battery is going out or an atty is- but usually not if both are good!!
 

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Funny...with my 306 I just squonk long enough to get a gurgle. I wil also see a bit of juice thru the drip tip (exposed bridge on the CISCO 306). I just let the juice settle back down from the atty to the well...and dont notice any kind of flooding. Now on my Smoketech 510's...I notice flooding big time.

So I think maybe the 510s are MUCH more susceptable to flooding then the 306's with exposed bridge.
 

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Funny...with my 306 I just squonk long enough to get a gurgle. I wil also see a bit of juice thru the drip tip (exposed bridge on the CISCO 306). I just let the juice settle back down from the atty to the well...and dont notice any kind of flooding. Now on my Smoketech 510's...I notice flooding big time.

So I think maybe the 510s are MUCH more susceptable to flooding then the 306's with exposed bridge.

I might start another thread on this, but is there any chance cisco 1.5ohm 306's are just too low a resistance for AW IMR 14500's? I got a pair, first time trying something other than a 510, and I couldn't get a good puff, just a charred throat and/or a flooded attie. I hear the 306's are smoother, so I'm thinking i might have just been waiting for that throat hit that will never happen with a 306. I got curious about 306's because I heard a few reonauts saying they are much forgiving when it comes to squonking.
 

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Light pressure is indeed important when it comes to pressing the bottle. Although, the way you take a pull is also very important. IMO the best way is to take a very light dry hit. That will pull the minimum amount of juice into the atomizer. Then flooding won't be an issue. If it's not enough then simply do another one. Also helps to do a couple of dry hits after the initial one.
 

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squonking - is pressing a bottle. what about the bottle? smooth enough? stiff enough? any leaking? dunno... i use them like they come and wash them occasionally with warm water, that's it. no marks on soft spots, can't find them ;)

are there any special issues concerning the bottle?




my receipt: Trust The Squonk :smokie:
vaping ok
 
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