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[TamiPac]

I was imagining that anyway

Rawr

Morning

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

So what is so different about the nic salts? Apart from making us vape less. Any health benefits?


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[Doffy]

So what is so different about the nic salts? Apart from making us vape less. Any health benefits?


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nup

just less throat hit

some say ph level means you absorb more

others say x3 molecular weight means you absorb less

i like throat hit, give me cheap chinese freebase any day

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

Yep. Same here my friend.


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[pdib]

So what is so different about the nic salts? Apart from making us vape less. Any health benefits?


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Hmmmm . . . well, I'm not an expert; nor am I a scientist (chemist, whatevs . . . not being one, I don't know which one to not be).

I can give 100% anecdotal information, tho. . . . and some ramblings:

I would suspect that both throat hit and ever-biggening vapes (descending resistance, growing atties, bigger clouds, trend toward direct-lung vaping)
[and I mean "ever-biggening" both as personal history and as the general trend in vaping . . . that we see on forums]
. . . where was I? . . . oh yeah, I would suspect this all has to do with a sense of satisfaction (that one isn't getting 100% when vaping instead of smoking).

So, perhaps nicotine harshness (throat hit) is a substitute to help you feel like something is happening (when something really isn't happening . ..that some part of you feels should be happening).
And perhaps (this is where we get anecdotal), the actual feeling that you just inhaled some nicotine, and that you can feel it "working", would alleviate the need of such a substitution?

Now I don't think I switched to salts with any clear intention or game plan. It just kind of happened to me.
Primarily, or initial catalyst, may have been me researching "small footprint" devices for this electrician guy who didn't like the feeling he got in his lungs from vaping.
In any case, I found I was eager to try MTL again, and to simplify and smallerize, and compactinate my thang.

So, I DO find (in my own personal physiological circumstance) that the salts deliver more keenly, more directly, more effectively, quicker, and more cleanly. And, by cleanly, I mean that vaping freebase in the same manner as I do the salts (from % to "rig"/style) makes me feel like crap. (and I personally don't find much difference in throat hit, btw, just sayin')

So, I'm taking wee little poofs, making much smaller clouds, and just enjoying that change of pace.
Wouldn't suspect it would do anything for my health, other than (on the outside chance) what you mentioned, Tamer: I'm inhaling a lot less subsidiary garbage and probably less deeply to boot.

I do a semi-french inhale* on the way in, and out is usually pretty slowly through mostly the nasals. I often get a wonderful tingling sensation in the passages, which to me rivals the throat hit thing. (although, as I said, I'm not sensing much difference in throat hit between freebase @ 15mg and salts @ 35mg)


*I do a mouth draw, and then open the ol' yapper like I'm about to say something, or as if preparing to blow smoke rings. Most of the vape cautiously pokes its head out, and then I snatch it all back with the inhale. Maybe 1/3 of this back-snatcheroonie ends up going up my beak.

P.S. at this moment, I'm vaping another new (to me) flavor that I just mixed up this evening: graham cracker crust (cheesecake) and ginger flavorings. And it's actually giving me more throat hit than pretty much anything else I've vaped (that I can recall).

 

[Doffy]

(although, as I said, I'm not sensing much difference in throat hit between freebase @ 15mg and salts @ 35mg)

exactly

35 v 35 would be a fair comparison

 

[pdib]

you'll recall (or I'll help you recall) that I had tried vaping ~35mg freebase (on 2 separate occasions) to compare. And in both instances mentioned that there wasn't a TH issue; rather that it felt crappy in other ways.

If, however, I were to vape freebase (or because . . . ↑), I'd be DL-ing it at ~15mg.
That'd be the real life scenario.

So, I was comparing 15mg Free to 35 Salt because those are the comparable donkeys I'd be riding to get to the same town.

I'm certainly not trying to convince you, my dear Australian Chook Sheppard, nor anyone else, that salts are the way to go, or better, or anything. Was really just setting out to say that my personal experience is that the protonated nic does actually work better (get into my system betterer and fasterer). And also to mention that I don't think there's so much of a TH difference; rather a general grittiness/crapiness difference.

. . . .

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

Hmmmm . . . well, I'm not an expert; nor am I a scientist (chemist, whatevs . . . not being one, I don't know which one to not be).

I can give 100% anecdotal information, tho. . . . and some ramblings:

I would suspect that both throat hit and ever-biggening vapes (descending resistance, growing atties, bigger clouds, trend toward direct-lung vaping)
[and I mean "ever-biggening" both as personal history and as the general trend in vaping . . . that we see on forums]
. . . where was I? . . . oh yeah, I would suspect this all has to do with a sense of satisfaction (that one isn't getting 100% when vaping instead of smoking).

So, perhaps nicotine harshness (throat hit) is a substitute to help you feel like something is happening (when something really isn't happening . ..that some part of you feels should be happening).
And perhaps (this is where we get anecdotal), the actual feeling that you just inhaled some nicotine, and that you can feel it "working", would alleviate the need of such a substitution?

Now I don't think I switched to salts with any clear intention or game plan. It just kind of happened to me.
Primarily, or initial catalyst, may have been me researching "small footprint" devices for this electrician guy who didn't like the feeling he got in his lungs from vaping.
In any case, I found I was eager to try MTL again, and to simplify and smallerize, and compactinate my thang.

So, I DO find (in my own personal physiological circumstance) that the salts deliver more keenly, more directly, more effectively, quicker, and more cleanly. And, by cleanly, I mean that vaping freebase in the same manner as I do the salts (from % to "rig"/style) makes me feel like crap. (and I personally don't find much difference in throat hit, btw, just sayin')

So, I'm taking wee little poofs, making much smaller clouds, and just enjoying that change of pace.
Wouldn't suspect it would do anything for my health, other than (on the outside chance) what you mentioned, Tamer: I'm inhaling a lot less subsidiary garbage and probably less deeply to boot.

I do a semi-french inhale* on the way in, and out is usually pretty slowly through mostly the nasals. I often get a wonderful tingling sensation in the passages, which to me rivals the throat hit thing. (although, as I said, I'm not sensing much difference in throat hit between freebase @ 15mg and salts @ 35mg)


*I do a mouth draw, and then open the ol' yapper like I'm about to say something, or as if preparing to blow smoke rings. Most of the vape cautiously pokes its head out, and then I snatch it all back with the inhale. Maybe 1/3 of this back-snatcheroonie ends up going up my beak.

P.S. at this moment, I'm vaping another new (to me) flavor that I just mixed up this evening: graham cracker crust (cheesecake) and ginger flavorings. And it's actually giving me more throat hit than pretty much anything else I've vaped (that I can recall).

So did you make any changes to the gear? the pinches and the nuppins?



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[pdib]

I'm using the smallest (14mm) atties I could find, which still tick my other boxes.
So, I'm not using Nuppin' for this.
I found the Nuppin' to shine (for me) with dual coils, which then (for me) entailed the restricted DL vape.
I did find the Nups to be better than most for this application; but not best (for me).

No changes to Pinches. Work great as battery and bottle for this app.

Am still using the brick ____-house mods too tho, for tootlepuffin'.
Love the ergonomic relationship I've developed with those.



(btw, Doffy, I got the second one for 32.40, shipped, . . . so, hard to say no to that when I was liking the first one.)

 

[Doffy]

mark bugs released a chalice "retro" recently

i think it is a hybrid design of I and II

i don't really know what i am talking about, but i like to be involved

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

mark bugs released a chalice "retro" recently

i think it is a hybrid design of I and II

i don't really know what i am talking about, but i like to be involved

[emoji1]

Well I do love 14 mm atties myself. I mainly have a 2.5 ID coil, 4/5 wraps giving me around 1 ohm resistance. I always vape this way with my RM 2, the Chalice, the Viper and nuppins too.


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[Alexander Mundy]

Love my RM2 DIY clones also. Wish I could still get the original 'other stuff' triangle atties new to modify, but alas they went the way of the Dodo. I think I have 3 or so untouched ones left and a dozen or so modified already. Thing about the Chalice I can't use with MM is the wrap around the screw posts. Or at least it was difficult to get a good lasting connection with all 3 strands.

 

[Rossum]

In any case, I found I was eager to try MTL again, and to simplify and smallerize, and compactinate my thang.

That seems to be a trend now, but some of us have vaped that way since the beginning and never went down the lower-nic, big-cloudz path.

Wouldn't suspect it would do anything for my health, other than (on the outside chance) what you mentioned, Tamer: I'm inhaling a lot less subsidiary garbage and probably less deeply to boot.

Yeah, I never did understand how vaping 20 ml a day of 3 mg could possibly be an improvement over vaping 5 ml a day of 12. Both get you the same amount of nic, but one involves inhaling four times as much PG, VG, and flavorings as the other.

That said, I firmly believe that everyone needs to find their own path to whatever vaping style that works best for them.

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

The ads that Tapatalk brings to ECF are refreshing to say the least.


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[B2L]

I prefer the higher nic, big clouds path myself

I’ve bought, and sold, quite a few high end attys looking for something better than my Nuppins. Most of them have gone and the Nuppins remain. I still have a couple (few) that I enjoy but the vast majority of my mods have a Nuppintopper.

P, ain’t a scale the greatest thing next to sliced bread when your mixing, I do not miss washing syringes (or sticky syringes) at all. I’ll mix between 300-400 mls of juice and have everything put away in 15-20 minutes

Hey Tamer

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

Hey Bri [emoji4]




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[Rossum]

I’ve bought, and sold, quite a few high end attys looking for something better than my Nuppins. Most of them have gone and the Nuppins remain. I still have a couple (few) that I enjoy but the vast majority of my mods have a Nuppintopper.

Nuppins are incredibly versatile.

• Some people tootle-puff them with a single coil at 1.0 ohms or above and love them. (e.g. Classy).
• Some people run them MTL with dual 1.0 ohm coils an love them (e.g. me).
• Some people DL them with substantially more aggressive builds and love them...

What other atty works so well for so many people with all kinds of different vaping styles?

The only reason a Nuppin isn't my all-day vape is because the dual-coil builds I personally like in it pull down a battery faster than I'd like.

 

[B2L]

Nuppin’ + .35 ohm single high coil = (my) nirvana

 

[TamiPac]

Goon on a Nut Punch dual coil ss430 .3 ohms........Yesssssssssssssssssss

 

[Doffy]

After years on the Stumpy, my new love is the skyfall by esmokeguru.

With a slam cap by simply tips.

Pretty similar vape to a Stumpy.

I vape unflavoured, and don't chase clouds. But it is right for me in terms of temperature and draw