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CaptSteve

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The FDA should change their logo

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I find it sadly ironic that Great Britain seems to have taking a somewhat more enlightened approach to e-cigarettes than my own country.

The Founders pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure our unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There is overwhelming evidence that e-cigarettes extend lives. They liberate us from combustible cigarettes. Using them is quite enjoyable and provides happiness without causing measurable harm to anyone. This has happened because entrepreneurs have had, until now, the liberty to innovate and sell these products without heavy handed and arbitrary government interference and we have had, until now, the liberty to choose those products which best fulfill our needs and desires.

Among the ways in which Great Britain interfered with the aforesaid unalienable rights was by erecting “a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.” We are seeing the modern equivalent perpetrated on us by the FDA with these deeming regulations.

As they have done so often before, Clive Bates, Carl Phillips, Bill Godshall, et al., will compose well written, cogent, well documented, and highly detailed explanations demonstrating why this set of regulations may well be the most harmful, ill-advised, and needlessly intrusive action of any regulatory agency in US government history. Thousands will sign and submit petitions. Yet the FDA will not pay the slightest heed. Does this sound familiar? “In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. * * * We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity. * * * They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and consanguinity.”


Well said.

The tree of liberty is thirsty, my friend......
 

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Well said.

The tree of liberty is thirsty, my friend......

I'm afraid the tree of liberty is beyond thirsty my friend, this is just the next logical step in our once great countries progression into utter dependence...

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It's quite simple really, 400,000 deaths a year in the US from cigarette smoking equates to a multi billion dollar industry. It makes perfect financial sense to protect and promote the culprit, as it makes perfect financial sense to never find the cure for cancer because they simply make much more money treating it than curing it. The FDA as usual is only too happy to oblige it's masters.


If I understand it correctly, the FDA is fully funded by the entities it polices/regulates . . .. errrm . .. enables: fees, fines, applications, etc. No tax dollars involved in it's budget. So, it is absolutely in it's best interest to insure the financial health of B.T., but more importantly B.Ph. . ..

If our health were of any concern whatsoever to FDA, they might consider topics more germane to their mission . . .. like, say, high fructose corn syrup, . . . . or drugs that are actually harmful to people, like many of those prescribed today with their tip o' the hat.

looking like the body American Public is starting to most closely resemble carrion to be pecked at by the 1% and their table-scrappers before decomposition takes it wholly. [ring the dinner bell]

:) (Augustus!!!! . . .)
 
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If I understand it correctly, the FDA is fully funded by the entities it polices/regulates . . .. errrm . .. enables: fees, fines, applications, etc. No tax dollars involved in it's budget. So, it is absolutely in it's best interest to insure the financial health of B.T., but more importantly B.Ph. . ..

If our health were of any concern whatsoever to FDA, they might consider topics more germane to their mission . . .. like, say, high fructose corn syrup, . . . . or drugs that are actually harmful to people, like many of those prescribed today with their tip o' the hat.

looking like the body American Public is starting to most closely resemble carrion to be pecked at by the 1% and their table-scrappers before decomposition takes it wholly. [ring the dinner bell]

:) (Augustus!!!! . . .)

Using the pic of vultures on the dead tree was very deliberate, my thoughts exactly.
 
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The vultures in the tree don't even come close Brian. They just keep the place clean from the road kill, they don't build cars that deliberately kill unsuspecting victims in order to fill their fat bellies.

They would if they could though :blink:

Your correct, but I couldn't find a picture of a dead tree with all the infamous mass murdreres from history in it. Would have definately been more appropriate :confused:
 

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They would if they could though :blink:

Your correct, but I couldn't find a picture of a dead tree with all the infamous mass murdreres from history in it. Would have definately been more appropriate :confused:

I beg to differ Bri, killing for monetary gains is solely a human trait. No other species on the planet kills even for sport, just for survival.
 

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I'm sorry if I come across harsh but I lost my dad to cancer and I feel very strongly on the subject.

You didn't come across as harsh, it's all good. I'm sorry to hear about your dad :(

It's just me trying to make sense of the whole insensible deal. I knew it was coming, I'm prepared personally, but I guess I'm still kinda in shock at the vastness of human stupidity and greed.
 

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Its not a time for hysterics and rash reactions. Best we can do is all speak to your congressman, politicians and follow closely the imminent lawsuits that will shortly follow to file for an injunction. We knew for the past 2 years that this was in the pipeline. Now is the time to fight it in the courts.
They'll be several lawsuits filed and it's our duty to support them financially. When I say it's our duty to support them I'm not only appealing to fellow vapers but also more importantly the businesses behind vaping. At the end of the day it's their very business that's at stake here.
It's pointless trying to convince the FDA that our health is at risk here because they blatantly showed no interest in that whatsoever. They care about regulating for purely profit and that can be faught in court. I want to believe the justice system in this country has still a sense of what's right and what's wrong
 

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And come August if there hasn't been an injunction filed and our friendly bee cannot make his mods, I for one know that he also makes some killer custom handcrafted paperweights made of stabilised wood which serve their purpose brilliantly. I intend to fill my desk with them since I have a desk full of loose paperwork.
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I want to believe the justice system in this country has still a sense of what's right and what's wrong

Me too.

But I can't.

I can only believe that there a few just people and one might be a judge somewhere.

Between HOS being tied in with appropriations bills,
Beyond compliance being forced in by the ATA and FMCSA,
Trucking regulations snuck into commercial air line bills,
People dieing from FDA approved diet and drugs,
Homeopathy, allelopathy, holistic, organic living, etc. Being systematically criminalized at the hands of the FDA,
The current food pyramid is poisonous,
The entire pet industry was almost wiped out country wide in 2012,
My brother is living near the poverty line because when his wife Batts her eyes, the judge awards her more of his money for frivolous BS,
I'm a felon for defending myself against a man that was trying to stab me...

Etc...
Etc...
Etc...

Tapatyped
 

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On the other side of the pond in Europe similar legislation is being proposed by The European Parliament BTW. And you thought BT and Big Pharma was feeding only stateside, no they're pockets are deep and can feed many elected officials throughout the world.
 

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One reason why i hope the UK votes to get the hell out of the EU in the referendum.

i have found most people i meet on a daily basis to be honest, helpful and straightforward. i have found any dealings with government (and as a naturalised American with an immigrant wife, those dealings have been frequent) to be bureaucratic, rude, intolerant and don't have any sense of duty to those that pay their wages.

This is just more of the same.

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Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that we have much of a justice system anymore.....only a legal system.... which, of course, seems to be every bit as corrupt as every other part of government... I have zero faith in government doing the right thing anymore,...ever.



......But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security......

-- Declaration of Independence, 1776
 
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