0mg Vape for teens (14+)?

[GBalkam]

Just a random thought I had, while thinking about smoking and peer pressure.
Many of us vape as an alternative to smoking. Sure, it's still a niccy addiction, but as far as I know, vaping won't kill me. You are seeing all these cool videos with vapers blowing HUGE cool assed plumes of fog. And anything "cool" has to be tried.

This said, I figure teens are going to start getting into this, probably starting off like I did with ciggies.. sneaking one out of moms pack. lol. (we won't get into the 6 I had to smoke when Dad got home, or the 45 minutes of wishing I could die afterward) Anyway...

How about selling ejuice with 0mg and a colored additive, like green coloring (to indicate 0mg juice) to 14 or 16+? Make it like regular cigarettes, need to ID to buy, but available BEFORE teens start trying cigarettes. Hell, let the 10 yr olds sneak moms vape stick rather than her cancer sticks! The first time will be deterrent enough not to continue vaping, (think of a mouth to lung vaper, going full 60w, full open air flow, lung inhale. LOL I had a 30 second coughing fit after the plume exploded, uncontrolled from the throat hit.

Just saying, its monkey see monkey do. So if they are going to do it, let them have the 0mg juice to do it with. Nobody wants teens to have sex either, but you would never refuse them access to safe contraceptives.

Additionally, teens that aren't going to vape wont do it just because its available, just like some will never smoke, or buy alcohol, or start using drugs. But for those that DO, personally, I would like an acceptable option available to them, like 0mg juice with the added coloring (to indicate its "rated T for teens")

And, as far as "gateway to cigarettes" HA!!! Anyone remember their FIRST cigarette? After vaping cherry flavor juice, then taking that first real cigarette drag.. you would run looking to lick anything up to and including sandpaper and the cats backside to kill the taste.

Big difference between green apple and 45minutes of spitting and power tossing your cookies. lol, no gateway there.

 

[Susan~S]

Vaping age in most states is 18. And with the new deeming regulations it will be 18 in all states come August (unless your state has a higher age requirement).

• Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
  
• How will the Vaping Industry look in two years time ?

 

[retired1]

Adding coloring just for the sake of coloring isn't a good idea, either.

 

[suprtrkr]

I do not recommend or condone under aged vaping. Parents who may choose to permit their children to do so in the privacy of their homes are free to do so. I quite take your point about peer pressure. But I will neither encourage nor assist.

 

[dennism]

There is no way the vaping industry should encourage young people to vape. The FDA is on their case, as it is.

 

[JCinFLA]

Would I prefer for teens to vape rather than smoke IF they were definitely going to do 1 or the other? Yes, by all means.

But that doesn't mean I think it should be made available to anyone underage, 0mg with green coloring or not. There'd be nothing to keep them from adding nic base, or another clear eliquid with nic, TO that green 0mg. It could still maintain its green color, too!

 

[rice721]

I don't think teens should Vape even 0mg nic juices and think that an age restriction is actually fair game. Everything else however...

 

[retired1]

As a reminder to all.

Why we don't allow drug talk

 

[evan le'garde]

Look at it this way.

If vaping were originally an ego type or mod type device which was never intended to be used with a nicotine solution then vaping devices could have been found in places like toy shops, sweet shops, gadget shops etc. And children would have been using them in the same way they enjoy sweets.

Those who saw a market for vaping devices and such chose to target the smoking demographic with unsolicited claims. And with Complete disregard for the legalities of their claims. They were responsible for allowing the government to back the industry into a corner because of their unprofessional conduct.

The thing with vaping is the industry existed to provide for smokers from the beginning. And in most cases a new user will use a cig-a-like.

The evolution of vaping wasn't really thought out in a way which would take into account any kind of unforseeable regulations which might be imposed by government.

If you could imagine a harmless toy designed as an alternative to eating sweets or anything sweet like cakes etc then it would have been completely ignored by any authorities. Just another toy on the market.

There was never any kind of genius behind the introduction of vaping. No thought went into it and pretty much anyone who was prepared to remortgage their home or had a few ££ to invest in a start up vaping company jumped on the band wagon.

Then there was the thinking behind the basic price of e liquids. They charged far too much from the beginning. All based on the comparison of how much you'd spend on cigarettes.

The soft side of the industry is out of control. The cost of hardware is perfectly reasonable, but the prices these small opportunist companies charge for peripherals and accessories, D.I.Y components, the list goes on, is truly extortionate. Boom and bust is the best way to describe it. The independents which make up this side of the industry couldn't care less about totally ripping off their customers. And now these are the guys who are going to get regulated out of the industry.

As it is now, things have got so bad that the government is going to systematically shut the entire industry down because of all this. There are those die hard extremists who will argue tooth and nail about the whole thing is a government / pharma / tobacco company conspiracy. And they are probably the same guys who want to sell you cotton pads for a $1 a piece.

This may seem like a rant but you've heard what others think.

I personally think this industry is run by backward thinking neanderthals who misinterpreted the innovation from the start and couldn't think past their own noses to realise any and all applications this innovation was capable of.

So the mis selling of this innovation has been the sole reason for the downfall of vaping. And with people like this involved it was doomed from the start.

But, they all made a hell of a lot of money from it. So it was good while it lasted, for them anyway.

And they will continue to fight regulations for their right to continue to extort money from the general public. But it's too late for that. And as we speak they are still selling things like Vegetable Glycerine for 1500% more than it is actually worth retail.

Think about it.

What other industry sells products for 1500% more than it's retail value ?.

And still they continue to complain, point the finger at tobacco companies and pharma companies, saying it's a conspiracy, with one hand, while they completely rip off their customers with the other.

So yeah, vaping should have been aimed at children, but from the start. The industry was picked up by a bunch of cowboys from the start.

All you are going to hear on this site though is a load of old patronising crap from a small demogrphic of smalltime vendors.

So what are the government actually doing ?.

They are attempting to remove the stigma.

 

[K_Tech]

Since I don't have kids, I try to put these discussions in the context of what I would like to see my niece and nephew doing.
As others have said, if it's a choice between vaping or smoking, I would rather have them vape.
But.
While I believe that vaping, overall, is less harmful than smoking by several orders of magnitude, I also believe that nothing is as healthy as taking only clean air into your lungs. I think that vaping is safe, but I don't know that for a fact.
Even if it WERE legal for those under the age of majority to vape, I would strongly recommend against it.

 

[Rickajho]

It sounds like the OP is advocating teens doing something pointless - just because it's cool. I fail to comprehend why this is a good idea, any more than teens starting to smoke - just because it's cool.

 

[daviedog]

Look at it this way.

If vaping were originally an ego type or mod type device which was never intended to be used with a nicotine solution then vaping devices could have been found in places like toy shops, sweet shops, gadget shops etc. And children would have been using them in the same way they enjoy sweets.

Those who saw a market for vaping devices and such chose to target the smoking demographic with unsolicited claims. And with Complete disregard for the legalities of their claims. They were responsible for allowing the government to back the industry into a corner because of their unprofessional conduct.

The thing with vaping is the industry existed to provide for smokers from the beginning. And in most cases a new user will use a cig-a-like.

The evolution of vaping wasn't really thought out in a way which would take into account any kind of unforseeable regulations which might be imposed by government.

If you could imagine a harmless toy designed as an alternative to eating sweets or anything sweet like cakes etc then it would have been completely ignored by any authorities. Just another toy on the market.

There was never any kind of genius behind the introduction of vaping. No thought went into it and pretty much anyone who was prepared to remortgage their home or had a few ££ to invest in a start up vaping company jumped on the band wagon.

Then there was the thinking behind the basic price of e liquids. They charged far too much from the beginning. All based on the comparison of how much you'd spend on cigarettes.

The soft side of the industry is out of control. The cost of hardware is perfectly reasonable, but the prices these small opportunist companies charge for peripherals and accessories, D.I.Y components, the list goes on, is truly extortionate. Boom and bust is the best way to describe it. The independents which make up this side of the industry couldn't care less about totally ripping off their customers. And now these are the guys who are going to get regulated out of the industry.

As it is now, things have got so bad that the government is going to systematically shut the entire industry down because of all this. There are those die hard extremists who will argue tooth and nail about the whole thing is a government / pharma / tobacco company conspiracy. And they are probably the same guys who want to sell you cotton pads for a $1 a piece.

This may seem like a rant but you've heard what others think.

I personally think this industry is run by backward thinking neanderthals who misinterpreted the innovation from the start and couldn't think past their own noses to realise any and all applications this innovation was capable of.

So the mis selling of this innovation has been the sole reason for the downfall of vaping. And with people like this involved it was doomed from the start.

But, they all made a hell of a lot of money from it. So it was good while it lasted, for them anyway.

And they will continue to fight regulations for their right to continue to extort money from the general public. But it's too late for that. And as we speak they are still selling things like Vegetable Glycerine for 1500% more than it is actually worth retail.

Think about it.

What other industry sells products for 1500% more than it's retail value ?.

And still they continue to complain, point the finger at tobacco companies and pharma companies, saying it's a conspiracy, with one hand, while they completely rip off their customers with the other.

So yeah, vaping should have been aimed at children, but from the start. The industry was picked up by a bunch of cowboys from the start.

All you are going to hear on this site though is a load of old patronising crap from a small demogrphic of smalltime vendors.

So what are the government actually doing ?.

They are attempting to remove the stigma.

Politicians sell themselves at more than 1500% of their net worth..

 

[IMFire3605]

Looking at the perspective if a parent that vapes found their child was smoking and decided, "On their own volition as the child's legal guardian/parent", to set the child onto vaping @ 0mg nic liquid, I can agree with that, and the only instance I agree with it.

Many may call it the "Just because someone doesn't smoke/use tobacco before starting" they shouldn't be vaping bandwagon, that is not it, other than why start onto a "Habit" that is not necessary. Yes, tweens/teens are going to follow their buddies when seeing their buddies vaping out these massive storm front cloud banks or tricking out jellyfish "O's", the fact of the matter is the majority of these youngsters are of the plug and play and run along mentality. This mentality without the proper instruction and guidance to do those things safely, well recently we have seen to many incidents of young kids that had not reason to be anywhere near a vaping device in the first place have been injured. So without parental/guardian's 100% consent and purchase, my answer is a big fat, "H*** F******** Dang "NO"", 18/21+ to play no exceptions beside what listed.

 

[WillyZee]

yeah, I'm never gonna agree with vaping for kids ... heck, I don't even support non-smokers who want to vape because they think it's cool.

 

[Elvensilvan]

so basically, you want to legalize minors who vape by color-coding e-juice?

no, just plain no.

by the way, there are already green-colored (and other colors as well) e-juice out there.

 

[jacob bonilla]

they should simply just wait until they are of age. 1. teens can't afford vaping unless you have a job to support the funds of buying mods and juice even DIY why bother? 2. all the BS you need to deal with from your parents I know because I started smoking at 15 and so on.

0mg or not vaping/smoking is looked down upon which is ironic because the US seems to push alcohol as it pleases with not a damn in the world. yea there are laws prohibiting selling/use of alcohol but not as harsh as smoking laws imo

 

[Spencer87]

there isnt much point. Parents will still be mad at kids using it, they wont understand, and it will bring unwanted heat down on the vaping industry. We have enough issues with them sayin we market to kids already.
another thing, is we start vaping to quit smoking. Why would we condone vaping before needing to quit smoking. I dont think it works as a preventative measure.
and also, I started smoking because I wasnt allowed to. If Kids are allowed to, then they will want to do something they arent allowed to.
Personally, I dont mind that the adolescent vaping rate is up, if the people would just recognize that the adolescent smoking rate is way down.

 

[Bunnykiller]

I wonder how many teens have missing teeth and fractured bones due to being kewl on a skate board

 

[GBalkam]

Adding coloring just for the sake of coloring isn't a good idea, either.

The coloring was not just for the sake of coloring, it has the purpose of denoting 0mg juice that has been approved for purchase by under 18 yr olds.

Now this is NOT how it is, but how it could be. Basically, just so the FDA can see merchants are selling approved juice for younger vapors that would otherwise be trying pot or cigarettes. Mainly, if i had a choice between my kids vaping 0mg juice or smoking [edited] or tobacco... I see vaping the 0mg juice as a way to fit in, and participate in something other pre-18 yr olds will be doing, without having to swipe moms ejuice when mom isn't looking. I don't think any teen would be pressured into vaping, maybe they will try it and not like it.. just like cigarettes, not everybody that tried a cigarette took up smoking. But, we all know, blowing big clouds is fun! And without the nicotine, its non addictive and from everything I've read, not unhealthy. Think of it like bubble gum for older kids. )

 

[retired1]

As a reminder: Why we don't allow drug talk

And adding food coloring to e-liquid just adds another ingredient that needs testing/approval. You just don't do it.