0mg Vape for teens (14+)?
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May agree with parental responsibility and choice to allow vaping by their respective teenagers. That agreement noted, I have to defer to my own personal responsibility. Even at zero nicotine level for teenagers to vape would possibly encourage a teen into attempting nicotine, or a more detrimental product.
This would reflect negatively on vaping and responsible vapers. Look at the examples already invoked by mainstream media regarding teens having batteries blow up, mods melt down. By all means then we are granted a sufficient rationale to the rally, "for the children".
Apologies, I am not usually not one for absolutes. In this case I will be. I see no good coming from allowing teens to vape, even zero nicotine juice. It only promotes the plot of fear to aid in abolishing vaping for those doing so responsibly. In my state the only real laws regarding vaping are clear, no one under the age of eighteen is to be sold, given vaping gear, juice.
Business in my state are granted the right to allow or disallow vaping in their establishments. I do not mind obeying these laws and regulations. They are reasonable and well thought. The further regulations being stipulated by the F.D.A do not seem to be either reasonable, or well thought.
I would suspect parents that were not reasonable, or too keen upon thinking well caused the F.D.A's further regulations. These parents figured they had raised their children to at least being teens, and of course, teens are able to rationalize and think critically. Why would these parents then, not let their teens have free reign? Perhaps some religious leader mystically absolved these adults, these parents of responsibility?
All of the above is rhetorical and subjective opining. No response is desired, or required. I will think and live as I choose, what is right for me is because I responsibly choose it being so. We are all granted without prejudice the power of choice. Thank you for reading.
This would reflect negatively on vaping and responsible vapers. Look at the examples already invoked by mainstream media regarding teens having batteries blow up, mods melt down. By all means then we are granted a sufficient rationale to the rally, "for the children".
Apologies, I am not usually not one for absolutes. In this case I will be. I see no good coming from allowing teens to vape, even zero nicotine juice. It only promotes the plot of fear to aid in abolishing vaping for those doing so responsibly. In my state the only real laws regarding vaping are clear, no one under the age of eighteen is to be sold, given vaping gear, juice.
Business in my state are granted the right to allow or disallow vaping in their establishments. I do not mind obeying these laws and regulations. They are reasonable and well thought. The further regulations being stipulated by the F.D.A do not seem to be either reasonable, or well thought.
I would suspect parents that were not reasonable, or too keen upon thinking well caused the F.D.A's further regulations. These parents figured they had raised their children to at least being teens, and of course, teens are able to rationalize and think critically. Why would these parents then, not let their teens have free reign? Perhaps some religious leader mystically absolved these adults, these parents of responsibility?
All of the above is rhetorical and subjective opining. No response is desired, or required. I will think and live as I choose, what is right for me is because I responsibly choose it being so. We are all granted without prejudice the power of choice. Thank you for reading.
My older son has and still views vape as smoking cessation vs a way to look cool just like patches and gum but actually successful... he knows others who do vape...he's not interested...maybe cause mom does so it lost the cool factor(i do too many uncool things like sewing to have ever been cool past-present-future), he's always seen it as harm reduction over cigs, and quite simply he knows he doesnt have spare funds to support it as hobby or really anything if he even wanted(we certainly wouldn't buy! Nor could he afford (including cigs, chew too), he does work and has other financial dreams and responsibilities that take precedence, so vaping would be a frivolous expense to start let alone continue...as for smoking cigs, no interest either nor was he interested in chew(some teammates when played were into, he's seen the puking from some first time tries)...he's too busy also, he knows it involves upkeep "work" ...I don't think colored vape for teens good idea, nor would it work anyway cause those that do vape wouldn't follow that "rule" either, and stores have minimum age rules for sales(another debate in itself-how they get)
Oddly he doesn't think clouders are cool (the young guys with tattoos and stylish looking) nor are flavor chasers(too weird all the flavor talk and notes)...we are all plain old vapers no matter what age, ex smokers if adult...anyone he knows his age who does, he shrugs off "whatever", other factors determine cool I guess for him.
Oddly he doesn't think clouders are cool (the young guys with tattoos and stylish looking) nor are flavor chasers(too weird all the flavor talk and notes)...we are all plain old vapers no matter what age, ex smokers if adult...anyone he knows his age who does, he shrugs off "whatever", other factors determine cool I guess for him.
ok then a colored bottle, just something to denote it was made for people under 18.. I mean really, don't get all hung up on the logistics, it's the concept that matters at this point. I don't foresee anything like this for probably another 5 years at least. Until then, they will just have to stick to pocketing mom's extra epen and filling up on moms niccy juice when she isn't looking. LOL
Just like smoking, they are going to do it anyway. I'm just saying, make the 0mg juice easier to get than stealing it from parents juice jars. You are not "allowing" them to do anything, any more than you "allow" your teenage son or daughter to have sex or smoke cigarettes. Now, I'm not suggesting teens start vaping, any more than I would tell a teen to start smoking. I was only suggesting, making the healthiest choice the easiest to acquire.
Awesome! Great for him, seems like he has his head on straight. (can make the right choices on his own).
The FDA bans sales to kids but they have nothing to say about possession. So the only restriction on kids is purchasing. They can possess with their parents permission. The FDA is not worried about kids possessing ecigs or they would ban that too.
I don't see any reason to promote vaping to teens unless they are already smoking. However teens will do what teens will do and that won't change. In the grand scheme of things vaping a 0 nic juice is a fairly minor thing for teens to be "cool." Though I still find it I'll advised to advocate to a non-smoker who never smoked regardless of their age.
Though in the hypothetical situation using a colored bottle or colored ejuice wouldn't actually do much. It would be too easy to just add coloring or pour a nicotine ejuice in the colored bottle.
Though in the hypothetical situation using a colored bottle or colored ejuice wouldn't actually do much. It would be too easy to just add coloring or pour a nicotine ejuice in the colored bottle.
As I said, I may agree with the idea of parental consent & control of teens and granting them to use 0 nic juice. That noted the laws are what the laws are. I can comprehend that perhaps keeping it from teens until adulthood may be a good idea as well as parental control. Both arguments have validity for me. I'm not disagreeing with either one, or saying either is correct, or in error.
All I'm saying is, what is, is, and we need to abide that. Doing otherwise degrades public perception of vaping, regaling it to the status of something immoral, unethical, dirty, wrong. I rather not see vaping made to appear like that when it has done so much good for so many, and could continue doing so if there was less concern for regulating with inclination of appealing to "oh but save our children".
So, hopefully you understand my frustration with the subject. I had hoped to not assert it, there it is at any given.
my view on this... why not? below 18 are allowed to buy non alcoholic beer, and many other things that can be mixed to become an adult beverage ( minus the alcohol). Below 18 can buy cigarette lighters with no questions asked, they can even purchase cigarette papers with no issues. So if we apply the same principle, 0 nic purchases would be allowed.
TBH, I seem to find vaping less addictive than ciggies... Im willing to bet that ciggies have a bit more in them than just nic to keep you wanting more of them.
TBH, I seem to find vaping less addictive than ciggies... Im willing to bet that ciggies have a bit more in them than just nic to keep you wanting more of them.
With this yes....other things, ummm...another discussion, another day, another forum ..LOL (cars )
Ok, throwing another aspect in...devices...mods/toppers...safety ...any thoughts here? Lighters and papers been mentioned with ability to purchAse
I'll make this short and sweet. I'm a parent of four wonderful children and if I see that a vendor is marketing vaping products and juices specifically to those who are under-age, I won't stand for it.
You mention that kids are going to smoke or vape if they see it as a fad and part of peer pressure? Then we as parents aren't doing our job. Granted...we can't watch them every moment of every day, might as well be a jailer at that point. But, we can teach them, that's our job.
And yes, there are a few juices with color additive and I steer very clear of that product.
Something else that hasn't been mentioned is mod and battery safety. We all know that if you're not educated and these, you won't follow it. Kids are not so worried about it and that's what terrifies me.
All we need is some group of children building coils and having the battery vent on them or worse. Just more ammo for the FDA to impose more rules. We are already threatened by new regs, who needs more??
All we need is some group of children building coils and having the battery vent on them or worse. Just more ammo for the FDA to impose more rules. We are already threatened by new regs, who needs more??
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Here in Japan, there are some online sellers (in a widely used auction site) that label mech mod kits (mech mod + RDA + battery) as a "starter set" and without warnings about proper usage and building.
Considering the market prices of vape gear, I'm afraid kids will be going for the cheaper version ... a mech mod plus a cheap battery.
I don't think NOW is the time to be having this discussion. Right now we don't need to do anything to make vaping look negative, and conversations like this are nothing more than cannon fodder for Fox News to use in their Anti-Vaping/Big Tobacco smear campaigns.
Again age restriction IMO is valid. Whether or not it actually prevents underaged individuals from purchasing said product is another subject altogether.
Laws are in place as a preventative measure, any law can be broken but at least theres the 1st barrier of entry with an age restriction. So I really don't understand the arguments of "teens will find ways of buying it anyway" or "having a restriction actually entices teens to break the law". Its like arguing the validity and effectiveness of speed limits. I can argue that some teens do it anyway or the speed limit signs actually entice teens to speed and drive recklessly. But in the end speed limits are valid restrictions.
If you as a parent chooses to let your underaged child vape then by all means go ahead (who am I or we as a forum to judge) and purchase the needed gear for them and hopefully you'll also educate them on battery / mod safety.
Laws are in place as a preventative measure, any law can be broken but at least theres the 1st barrier of entry with an age restriction. So I really don't understand the arguments of "teens will find ways of buying it anyway" or "having a restriction actually entices teens to break the law". Its like arguing the validity and effectiveness of speed limits. I can argue that some teens do it anyway or the speed limit signs actually entice teens to speed and drive recklessly. But in the end speed limits are valid restrictions.
If you as a parent chooses to let your underaged child vape then by all means go ahead (who am I or we as a forum to judge) and purchase the needed gear for them and hopefully you'll also educate them on battery / mod safety.
Yep, hence why I brought it up as a question...have to say you and I feel same way
Traditionally, Fox News has been supportive of vaping. Gutfield has been a very vocal ally on the topic.
papers, no. Really only 2 things you can use papers for... but lighters, I say age 14+ (which is the age to drive a tractor or 3 wheeler around here). The reason is, a lot of teens go fishing or hunting (snaring) small game. Carrying a lighter or water proof matches could save their life in an emergency. Like falling the the water, which around here, is still very cold at the start of fishing season. Strictly not about vaping, so we need not comment on this much and not draw to much attention. LOL.
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