100ml bottle. how to mix VG + flavor. Thats all.

[aalmosawi]

Ok so i have an empty 100ml container. I wanna put two flavors in it with VG.
The flavoring has PG ... I dont know their percentage but the flavors do have PG.

Now.
is this equation correct?

60ml VG
25ml flavors. 10 for strawberry and 10 for chocolate and 5 for caramel.
then the rest, 15 water.

or should i omit the water and just go with 75ml VG and 25 for the flavors?

Please help me out. I am bad at math and the calculators online all wanna put nicotine and pg when i dont have those and dont want them to begin with.

 

[JCinFLA]

If I were you, knowing how hard it is to get the liquids for DIY where you are...I'd definitely do something else first. This way, you won't possibly ruin those 100mL of your liquids.

First, a question for you...Have you tried/sampled a much tinier mixture of those flavors in some VG already? If not, you might want to do Bill's Magic Vapors 100DT (a 100 drop taste test) before messing with large quantities of your supplies.

Once you answer, I can further help you.

 

[aalmosawi]

where exactly am i gonna get "bill's magic vapors" from?

i appreciate your concern however I have found many sources for "pharmaceutical" grade glycerin.
Sure, no one recognizes the term "vegetable glycerin" and i will not find the letters "usp" on anything here but it is the same.
I have bought a 1 liter bottle which according to the seller is pharmaceutical grade and safe to inhale and i am building off of that.

in regards to the flavorings. i have secured a good source from a jordanian company and i am 100% sure of its quality ... on the flavor bottle it says "propylene glycol" so that part is covered.
sure, we dont get all the fancy flavors you guys have and sadly none of the companies i interfaced with are willing to ship to baghdad. i dont know why. there is no customs issue its just food flavouring. it'll pass without a hitch.


i have tried doing 10mil bottles but i posted this thread to be 100% sure on how to accomplish this because none of the online calcs will factor in that your flavor HAS PG in it.
AND at this time i dont wanna use nicotine. i simply dont have it.
I do howerver have bought 30mil bottles that are chinese and i dont trust them at ranges from 6mg to 18mg. these bottles are ready made with nic in them. but thats another story.

 

[man00ver]

Either of your original proposals will work fine, @aalmosawi, depending on your gear. Some older tanks may have a little trouble wicking a 75% VG liquid, but most modern tanks can manage it. The water is not essential, unless you need to thin your liquid (and 15% seems a little much for that purpose; 10% might be better).

What @JCinFLA was referring to is the 100 drop test, a rough method for trying out a small-batch recipe, generally yielding about 5mL worth. When you know the percentages you're using, you add 1 drop per point until you get to 100 drops, then mix and check the taste.

For ratio purposes, most online calcs count flavoring as PG unless otherwise specified, and so should you. Good luck with your mix.

 

[aalmosawi]

Either of your original proposals will work fine, @aalmosawi, depending on your gear. Some older tanks may have a little trouble wicking a 75% VG liquid, but most modern tanks can manage it. The water is not essential, unless you need to thin your liquid (and 15% seems a little much for that purpose; 10% might be better).

What @JCinFLA was referring to is the 100 drop test, a rough method for trying out a small-batch recipe, generally yielding about 5mL worth. When you know the percentages you're using, you add 1 drop per point until you get to 100 drops, then mix and check the taste.

For ratio purposes, most online calcs count flavoring as PG unless otherwise specified, and so should you. Good luck with your mix.

I am not using a tank. i am dripping. i have the wismec Indestructible and the velocity clone which i favor more.
anyways. i really just want help in the form of.

for 100mil, put 80mil vg, 20mil flavor, water and so on. kinda like your advise on how to do that.

i do not understand the whole bill's magic thing ... i thought it was a ejuice lol

 

[JCinFLA]

The Bill's Magic Vapors "thing" is a 100 drop method for trying out a new mix or recipe with a small amount (5mL or less) to test vape it. You adjust the flavoring amounts to be something really tasty that you like...with the little bit of your VG & flavorings with the PG in them first. Once you get it tasting great to you, then make your recipe based on that!

Here's all you need to do the "test" amount:

Your bottles of VG, Strawberry flavoring, Chocolate flavoring, and caramel flavoring

4 droppers or syringes with the same sized openings to make the same sized drops. You'll use 1 for each ingredient so you don't cross contaminate them.

Something to make your test amount in (ie. little bottle, graduated cylinder, etc.)

Since your flavorings have PG in them, and you're not using any Nic, nor PG alone...calculators count the PG in your flavorings as part of the ratio. Your ratio will end up being 25PG/75VG, so you want the same ratio in your small "test" amount. You said you want to make maybe 10% strawberry + 10% chocolate + 5% caramel + the rest VG.

Put 10 drops of strawberry + 10 drops of chocolate + 5 drops of caramel into your bottle or graduated cylinder. Add 75 drops of your VG. Shake really well and then try "test vaping" a tiny bit of it. If you need more of any one of the flavors, add another drop or 2 (don't forget to make note of it), then shake and try it again. Keep doing that with your different flavorings (and taking notes of all changes you make to it) until the taste reaches your personal desired taste.

Reason for doing the test is you may find, that you got to that desired taste...by adding 2 more drops of strawberry, 3 more drops of chocolate, and 1 more drop of caramel.
So your "recipe" to make your big bottle of 100mL, that will taste just like your little "test" sample, has changed to:

12% strawberry (12mL) + 13% chocolate (13mL) + 6% caramel (6mL) = 31% (31mL)

VG amount has changed to 69% (69mL).

Your new ratio for only that recipe would be 31PG/69VG

As your try other recipes and flavorings, if you'll do that little test first, to find a great taste...it's much easier to then make a big batch with the same great taste each time.

I hope that helped you.

 

[Lannie]

i do not understand the whole bill's magic thing ... i thought it was a ejuice lol

Bill's Magic Vapor (or Vapors, I'm not sure of his exact name) is a member here at ECF. He's been mixing flavors for a long time and has a lot of good advice. His user name DOES sound kind of like an e-juice, doesn't it?

 

[aalmosawi]

Thats brilliant. Thank you.

12% strawberry (12mL) + 13% chocolate (13mL) + 6% caramel (6mL) = 31% (31mL)

VG amount has changed to 69% (69mL).

modified some flavors on this but i went ahead and made it. waiting for some steeping as there are lots of bubbles. it smells darned per-fumy though. those flavors are mad concentrate.

back to our topic.

1) you said to try this after making the formula. wouldn't i need to steep though? as you're aware vg will just sit there. i realize you applied the flavorings before the VG. so just make it, shake it and go for it?

2) how is it you balanced the flavors like that? is there a rule per say that says give do more chocolate then strawberry and less of the caramel? just so i learn this when mixing and not overwhelm other flavors.

3) i wish you would just give me the numbers in mil and not drops.

4) what if i wanna add nic how would these forumlas change? for nicotine in this dump of the world i can only currently get it in the ejuices they bring from china. for example i have a 30mil strawberry bottle (no idea pg/vg)which is 11mg nic. how would you factor that if i wanted output to be 6?

5) is there a calculator that'll do what you did ?

Thank you again.

 

[JCinFLA]

modified some flavors on this but i went ahead and made it. waiting for some steeping as there are lots of bubbles. it smells darned per-fumy though. those flavors are mad concentrate.

You made what...your whole 100mL bottle already? Based on the example flavoring results above in my last post about the 100 drop taste test?

Those % and mL were only to show examples of the small flavoring changes you may find you need to make...when doing a 100 drop taste test on a tiny amount of any recipe. They were just for example's sake...based on your own original % for each flavor you said you wanted to use. They weren't to make your recipe based on them.

It's no wonder it smells perfumy. Those are some pretty high % for 2 pretty strong flavorings (the strawberry and the chocolate). Plus, if your chocolate flavoring has ethyl alcohol in it, as some in the US does...it's got a very strong smell & hit to it, and needs to be evaporated out. (I'm letting some of it in 1 of my own DIY small 15mL bottles...evaporate out right now. Has been 2 days already, and even with shaking and letting lots of the bubbles filled with it evaporate, it's still not gone enough to my liking.)

I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to help you any more with this. I don't know how to explain things any other way than I have already. Maybe someone else will come along who is better at helping you.

 

[aalmosawi]

I appreciate you helping me out in this thread however i am not sure where I went wrong.
if you check my previous reply I asked a few questions in numbered format.
I only went ahead and did the example for kicks to see how it would flow. I was waiting for a response for the questions to proceed with your instructions.

nevertheless, if you feel the need to abort your helping me then thats fine.

 

[Racehorse]

nevertheless, if you feel the need to abort your helping me then thats fine.

I don't think JC was abandoning you. They described how to do what you wanted to do in the best way they could. And when it appeared that perhaps you were not understanding their "version" of instructions, decided to let somebody else try to help.

When I was teaching we had to take a master's level course called Methods. Whereby you learned that learners all have different learning styles.....some people can read text, some people need videos, some people need to actually do things hands on (kinesthetic) to grasp a concept.

JC, by stepping aside, was allowing you to be helped by someone else. I thought that was very kind and .......ego-less. And no hard feelings were there

Just sayin'........


(I just gave a guitar lesson last week to a young lady who literally could not learn chords from a book, nor from a video. She could not visually line up what she was seeing to doing those things with her hands. She literally needed me to sit behind her, and place her fingers on the correct strings and frets for each chord......she needed the feel of it to learn. I never really had a student like that, but there it was...._) She's a highly intelligent gal but I understood her situation.