14500 Batteries....

[SuziesMom]

I have a Mini on the way, and already have a few of the protected Trustfire 900 mah li-ion batteries. I know that the AW high drain batteries are the recommended ones...

What's the advantage of the high drains? Is there an advantage? I do like long battery life, so at least on the surface the Trustfires would last a bit longer, but I'm not an electrical engineer. I know my 2400 mah 18650's work better and for longer than my 3000 mah 18650.

 

[mlinky]

Two things, the protected batteries in the 14500 are not actually rated high enough to consistently power a LR atty (below 2 ohms) and the attys have been known to trip the protection board (this is only a problem in the smaller batteries, like 14500's); and the actual quality vape time is greater with the AW IMR 14500's because they maintain a pretty consistent voltage until they drop off, where the regular LioN's have a gradual decline from the time you put the battery in.

These are things that you might not notice in the larger cells, but the AW IMR's are noticeably better in the Mini.

 

[hubseven]

Don't know if this helps but the 14500 lasts between 6 and 7 hours for me.

 

[SteelJan]

The main difference for me is that a protected lithium battery will "shut off" the battery if it's overvolted (meaning if your charger tried to charge it above the charging voltage, typically 4.2V), under-volting (meaning if you try to vape it past its shut-off voltage, typically 2.5V), or if it's short-circuited (meaning something shorts out inside your mod or atty).

The IMR batteries do not have protection circuitry. From their chemistry alone they will not blow up or violently vent hot gasses when undervolted or overvolted, but they will if shorted-circuited. IMR batteries were designed for industrial use where the equipment itself is required to prevent short-circuits. So for me, before I would use an IMR battery in a mod, I would ask the mod builder if the mod has built-in short-circuit protection.

Yes, I've read that a lot of people use IMR batteries in mods and have never had a problem. I also know that my uncle lived in the same house for 37 years using pennies in the fusebox and never had a fire. It's an individual choice.

 

[SuziesMom]

Thank you!!!!! SteelJan- I LOVE your youtube videos

 

[mlinky]

ECF recommends the AW IMR unprotected battery as the safest battery to use in a mod http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html

 

[redeyedancer]

No Battery wars Noooooooooooooooooo

 

[bornagainst]

The Trustfires are well known to be OVERRATED, so take that into consideration. If it says 1000 Mah, you aren't getting it. Once you throw an LR atty into the mix, all hell breaks loose.

With the AW's, you are fine to expect a solid, reliable vape.

AW owns Trustfire on every level.

 

[ancient puffer]

I don't want to start/revive a battery war, but

Do I understand correctly that the protected batteries will actually provide short circuit protection, where as the unprotected will not? (Vape quality aside)

 

[mlinky]

I don't want to start/revive a battery war, but

Do I understand correctly that the protected batteries will actually provide short circuit protection, where as the unprotected will not? (Vape quality aside)

The protection circuit will cut the battery off if it is shorted. That is, assuming that the protection circuit doesn't fail. Seriously, read this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html everything you want to know

 

[ancient puffer]

Thanks, Mlinky, I've read that, and I understand the potential for battery safety issues with unprotected vs protected. I also understand the AW IMR's are unprotected, BUT because of their chemistry, don't present the hazards that regular LiIn's do (regarding exploding, etc.). My question is whether the protected batteries provide protection against a short circuit, which will seriously damage your PV. (laboring under the assumption here, that Reo's don't have a built in short circuit protection)

 

[mlinky]

Thanks, Mlinky, I've read that, and I understand the potential for battery safety issues with unprotected vs protected. I also understand the AW IMR's are unprotected, BUT because of their chemistry, don't present the hazards that regular LiIn's do (regarding exploding, etc.). My question is whether the protected batteries provide protection against a short circuit, which will seriously damage your PV. (laboring under the assumption here, that Reo's don't have a built in short circuit protection)

The battery spring will collapse in case of a short circuit and cut the connection. There have been minor repairs needed for REO's when an atty short circuited, mostly spring replacement. In general though, I think it is correct to worry more about protecting the mod user than the mod.

 

[redeyedancer]

The battery spring will collapse in case of a short circuit and cut the connection. There have been minor repairs needed for REO's when an atty short circuited, mostly spring replacement. In general though, I think it is correct to worry more about protecting the mod user than the mod.

I concur ___

 

[ancient puffer]

The battery spring will collapse in case of a short circuit and cut the connection. There have been minor repairs needed for REO's when an atty short circuited, mostly spring replacement. In general though, I think it is correct to worry more about protecting the mod user than the mod.

I do appreciate that, Mlinky, and appreciate the straight answer. I'll probably be a lot less paranoid when I get a 2nd Reo

I concur...

And Rob, you're a gentleman and a scholar I appreciate you taking the time to jump in here and validate it. I've seen a *very* few posts about that happening, and was hoping that was the situation.

And I agree with you both, my face doesn't need to get any uglier! 8-o I've had the AW IMR's on order since the 18th, was mostly wondering if the shorts were really of any signifcance, Reo-wise.

Thanks again, both of you!

 

[SuziesMom]

The info here is HIGHLY appreciated. We'll be flying trans-Atlantic this summer- it's the idea of losing a plane full of people that made me want to ask people who really know about this stuff. They've lost cargo planes because of exploding batteries, and I really don't want to make any mistakes with it. Yes, I do have mild OCD.

I really really really appreciate everyone chiming in with this info. It helps a lot.

 

[MacDiver]

That's good news about the Reo spring providing protection. I didn't know that until now.

More info on LR attys and regular batts and IMR batts: See post #3 on both

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/madvapes/127262-about-low-resistance-specific-batteries.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ikenvape/84144-batteries-safety.html