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bluewolf

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Hi. I just found this site a few days ago. Wish I had found it before I bought my super mini (DSE103) from China. could have got a better deal right here in the states. I'm looking foreward to reading all the posts (may take a month or two) Just ordered some kick juice to try dripping my super and refil the carts, I also just ordered a pen style from myecig.com with 2 extra atomizers, hope I can get better results. I watched some videos by Dustin at e-cigreview.com. Helped me make my decision on which one to buy. Looking foreward to quitting smoking, My company is going smoke free on Jan. 1st
and i'm hoping this will be allowed.
 

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welcome!I too work for a company that is going tobacco free on Jan 1. You won't even be allowed to smoke in your own car in the parking lot.So far, I am encouraged that this will work for me. I wish you lots of luck as well.

They told we CAN smoke in our cars but were not allowed to got to our cars on break so we have to go 8+ hours without a smoke :(

Holy crap! I can't believe it's come to this. Thank God my company is not like that. You should be able to do whatever you want on "your" brake. That is just crazy8-o

Oh yeah, you can post everywhere after 15 posts.
 

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Sarasota County, Fla., refuses to employ anyone who uses tobacco in any form at any time. It cannot be used even off-duty. And e-cig use will test positive since they test for cotinine. Any use of nicotine results in cotinine in the blood and urine.

No cigs. No pipes or cigars. No smokeless. And no e-cigs. Look for more and more companies to start testing for cotinine along with other mandatory drug tests for employees. It's all to save on insurance.

While the stated intent is to prevent tobacco use and its expensive health consequences, it's really a no-nicotine law. And that prohibition is spreading among local government agencies, particularly firemen and police. Expect some in the private sector to follow suit.

That's one way to ban e-smoking.
 
Good luck bluewolf,
It wont be the E-cig that gets you in trouble, it will be stupidity.
"how come HE gets to?"
I can Hear it Now :D

Or some other ..... complaining. That is always the problem with company policys we dont like. Some ..... complained.

P.C. policys are taking down not only this country but the whole world.
 

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This is my first post - have been lurking for about a month now. I am still waiting for my first device to arrive. I just wanted to chime in on this post.

I work in a hospital where the policy has been a tobacco free work day for two years now. I am not permitted to smoke or chew tobacco at any time during my shift, not even on my breaks. The consequences for bucking this policy escalate more sharply than any other policy on the books. The first infraction results in a warning - only if it is outdoors. The next one is a write-up. The third is automatic termination. There is no forgiveness - even if it is twenty years between infractions. I don't even have to be caught in the act. All that is required is an accusation from ANYONE. That means if any one of the 500 or so employees I come into contact with daily feel I slighted them, they only have to accuse me to get me in very serious hot water. They don't even have to have proof 8-o. I have already been falsely accused once.

The latest policy is that as of October 1 of this year, all new hires will be screened for continine and anyone with a positive continine test will not be hired. That means if you are on the patch, the lozenge, or the gum you can't work there. All nicotine becomes continine in your body.

For the past two years I have been using nicotine gum for 8-1/2 hours a day. I also spend my lunch walking two blocks, through a parking deck, taking the stairs down to the bottom, and stepping out under a bridge to smoke half a cigarette:sneaky::oops:, then reversing the process to get back to work. I use gum to cover my breath and Febreeze to cover the odor on my clothes. I am extremely careful not to be visible by any window on hospital property - not an easy feat since the campus spans three blocks. And someone STILL approached the director of my department saying they know I am smoking on my lunch and does she want them to pursue this.

The antis at this hospital judge EVERYTHING. They have felt the need to try and enlist my mother's help in admonishing me about my coffee drinking 8-owhen I have tried to have breakfast in the cafeteria with her.

Where does this end? When do we stand up to these busybodies and tell them to focus on the crap they are putting into their own bodies and keep their nose out of our business? I am livid - but I can't risk alienating anyone as they could accuse me again.:mad::-x:-x:-x:-x:mad:

I don't mean to incite a riot even though the way I feel is riotous. I really meant to share my story to illustrate for you all just how crazy they have gotten about trying to control my body. It has nothing to do with second hand smoke or smell since it now involves tobacco free alternatives. This is strictly about public relations and CONTROL.
 

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Wow! Time for a new job?

Yeah, it is time for a new job. I just can't seem to find one that pays like the hospital does. Even with a college degree, good jobs are hard to come by in this economy.

My degree would help much more in other parts of the country, but I just can't seem to let go of the cold, wet winters and hellishly hot and humid summers. Not to mention, my family and friends all exist here - I don't say live because that would imply more liberty than we all currently have.

I don't mean to be negative. I am just horribly frustrated with the whole job situation. You are right. I do need a new job. I just have to FIND one.
 

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Do not miss the point that a corporate policy might state "tobacco free area" but the test for employee use of tobacco will turn up positive if you e-smoke. It is nicotine that creates cotinine in your body -- and that's the test virtually all employers will use. You have cotinine? You're fired. E-liquid has nicotine, so e-smokers do have cotinine.

Read more about it on Wikipedia or Google "cotinine" or even "continine".

Companies can talk all day about going tobacco free, but the test will damn e-smoking as surely as it will a 2-pack a day cigarette smoker. To the test, we're all the same if we ingest or inhale nicotine. If your company does drug tests, and bans tobacco use, be aware that you will not be able to e-smoke.

And, yes, it has been tested in court in Miami Beach -- and it's legal. They can indeed fire you for cotinine in urine against company policy.
 

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They told we CAN smoke in our cars but were not allowed to got to our cars on break so we have to go 8+ hours without a smoke :(
What? You're not allowed to leave the building during your lunch break? I doubt if they're allowed to do that.

No cigs. No pipes or cigars. No smokeless. And no e-cigs. Look for more and more companies to start testing for cotinine along with other mandatory drug tests for employees. It's all to save on insurance.
But they're happy to employ people who drink a bottle of Jack Daniels each night? :)
 
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The antis at this hospital judge EVERYTHING. They have felt the need to try and enlist my mother's help in admonishing me about my coffee drinking 8-owhen I have tried to have breakfast in the cafeteria with her.
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Coffee? WTF??? :confused:

Nazi basta*rds!

Are they fricking INSANE???

Next they'll invent a test to see if you've eaten at McDonalds in the last year, and fire you for that.

Jeebus!!!!!
 

nicowolf

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Wow! Time for a new job?

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Coffee? WTF??? :confused:

Nazi basta*rds!

Are they fricking INSANE???

Next they'll invent a test to see if you've eaten at McDonalds in the last year, and fire you for that.

Jeebus!!!!!

That is only the beginning. In order to get health insurance this year we had to answer a 83 item questionnaire. Some of the questions on this were: Do you drive faster than the speed limit? If so, how often do you drive more than 5 miles an hour above the limit? How often do you drive more than 10 miles an hour above the limit?

This whole process also required blood tests and a physical so they can tell you just how obese you are, how much more exercise you need, which vices you need to cut back on, etc. Each individual was given a copy of their report so they could "improve for next year".

The answers are "anonymous" in that the company isn't provided with a list of what an individual's answers were, but the answers are linked to the employee ID number to track progress from year to year.

Needless to say, I did not answer their invasive questions, did not let them near me with any needles or scales, and will not be covered under their hospitalization plan. Big Brother has gotten MUCH too big for his breeches.

The next step for them from here is to deny coverage to anyone who does not comply with their "plan to reduce the cost of insuring employees". That means not covering the obese unless they lose weight, not covering computer junkies until they exercise, not covering smokers - including esmokers, remember cotinine testing - until they are nicotine free, not covering diabetics until they control their sugar, etc. They are slowly - but surely - taking over my decisions as an informed adult regarding my health. This is not just where I work. It is a growing trend. It was actually an outside agency that administered the questionnaire, so other companies are paying for this same service. Contracting with an outside agency is WAY more expensive than their potential insurance savings, so it really has nothing to do with insurance costs although the official story is that they want to cut insurance costs.

Big businesses more closely resemble politicians than they do small businesses. What they say is only a fraction of the truth, that is why anyone working in a bureaucracy with tell you that common sense does not apply there - trying to apply common sense in that environment will only confuse and frustrate you.

We have GOT to stop backing down as corporate leaders keep eroding our personal liberties.

Wow, now I'm all worked up. I think I need a conspiracy theory forum - or maybe I just need my new drug delivery system to arrive so I can better numb out like the rest of the thinking world seems to be doing.:p:cry:
 

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This is not just where I work. It is a growing trend.

Sorry to have to agree, Nicowolf. It began with government and big business, but will weasel its way to even small businesses at what will seem like warp speed as the economy sours. An owner hoping to avoid firing employees will seek to stem insurance costs first. Then the employees most likely to need insurance benefits will be fired first.

That's exactly how it went down at the company where I worked. Smoking was banned anywhere on the property. They made note of who DIDN'T quit and made smokers punch a clock so they wouldn't be paid for smoking. They identified who we were.

Then, if you were over 55, you were on the chopping block first (if you smoked and were over 55, well, goodbye). If you'd had an insurance claim in the past five years, you knew you would soon pick up your buyout check. It's gotten worse since, but, yes, the obese will be next, along with anyone who rides a motorcycle, got drunk at the Christmas party or is known to sleep around. Risky behavior, tsk tsk. Companies can't pay for that!
 

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This should not suprise anyone. I bet the cavemen had moral cops too. History is full of people trying to control other people. I beleive that not just obese people will be next it is anyone who is 10lb overweight.

Well after all it's not good for you. It's for your own good. I know what is best for you. Being around fat peoples makes other people fat (same as second hand smoke kills other people).

I am being nasty I know. I used to live in the land of liberty and had the right to presue happiness.
 

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Thanks, TB, for the validation. I was starting to feel like one of those lunatics always spouting off a conspiracy theory about how the government or some other BIG evil monster is out to squash them.

I really feel persecuted out there in the real world as a smoker - still waiting for my "fogger" - and with baited (literally) breath.
 
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