200 Watts?

[rhelton]

Do you understand how amp draw / CDR for DC battery's works, to what your believing to be true, you would have to have a built in capacitor to boost to 9.5v, Nothing makes more power than what is put into it,
unless you add a capacitor / Dickson charge pump and about 300$ ............

I absolutely do understand what the limitations are. I also made no claims of what the device would do. Only what they have stated and we would see.

All the regulated devices we use today work off of PWM. You need about 25amps to hit 200w which is really even a stretch for 30amp cells to sustain. Ohm's law is where I get that from with a two cell series configuration. We will see what this new board does soon, not much else to say about it.

Your wasting your time here and mine.

Have a good evening.

 

[rhelton]

Show and tell starts at about 1:07

 

[zoiDman]

Same, complete BS without the use of a 26650 ...................... or you don't mind buying battery's every couple months ...........

It just seems to Boarder on Irresponsibility for an OEM to make a 100W that can use a Single 18650 Battery.

 

[K_Tech]

I'm not an electrician or electrical engineer but, can any mod (regulated) truly put out 200 watts using dual 18650's ?

Yes, but only inside a very limited envelope, which pushes the boundaries of battery safety a bit too far for my comfort.
I posted this in another thread. In a regulated mod, think of the battery as a container that holds amps. It will be called upon to deliver the amount of current to supply the wattage asked for by the board/chipset.
Assuming a voltage cutoff of 6.4 volts (3.2 volts per cell in series configuration), to do 200 amps (assuming 100% efficiency from the chipset, which isn't a reality) that would require just over 31 amps from the batteries.
At 4 volts per cell (8 volts total) you're looking at a discharge rate of 25 amps, which can really only be done "safely" with a limited number of batteries.
Personally (even though I own a 200 watt, 2-cell box) I would not feel safe pushing that sort of power from two 18650s. One small fault and you could be in a lot of trouble.
In my opinion only, I feel that with 18650 power, 75 watts per cell is pretty much my upper ceiling, and I'd only approach it with a REAL 30 amp cell.

 

[K_Tech]

It just seems to Boarder on Irresponsibility for an OEM to make a 100W that can use a Single 18650 Battery.

I personally agree, but that's just me. I don't like pushing CDR on a cell, which at 100 watts you're going to be rapidly approaching as the voltage starts to drop.
Running at CDR on a brand-new cell can be risky, on a two-year-old cell with a few hundred cycles under its belt? Possibly more risky.

 

[MMW]

Even if that Presa took a 26650, which one would anyone be pushing to 100w? Correct me if I'm wrong, you are getting increased runtime, not amps.

 

[Rangertrix]

I believe it is possible with some mods, but only within a specific resistance range with fully charged batteries being pushed to their limit; and it would only fire a full 200 watts momentarily before the batteries charge dropped to a level that would make it impossible.
Basically it is a marketing ploy that is boasting theoretical possibilities.
For all practical purposes.............No, it's not.

 

[K_Tech]

Even if that Presa took a 26650, which one would anyone be pushing to 100w? Correct me if I'm wrong, you are getting increased runtime, not amps.

AFAIK, there's not a 26650 out there with a "real" CDR over 25 amps. I think the Sony (no longer produced?) and the Panasonic (no longer produced?) "50 amp" batteries actually tested out to something like 26 amp CDR, but I could be wrong.
Even the venerable MNKE 26650 was 20 amp CDR.

 

[MMW]

AFAIK, there's not a 26650 out there with a "real" CDR over 25 amps. I think the Sony (no longer produced?) and the Panasonic (no longer produced?) "50 amp" batteries actually tested out to something like 26 amp CDR, but I could be wrong.
Even the venerable MNKE 26650 was 20 amp CDR.

That's what I was thinking. I remember looking into that when the Vapeforward Stout was coming out. Thanks for your reply.

 

[roxynoodle]

One thing I've noticed with the mods I have is they cut you off much sooner than 3.2v, and at lower power levels than 200W. My Sig 150tc will cut me off at 3.6v running 80W.

When I tested an atty at 200W, the rx200 began dropping the power level itself when the batteries could no longer sustain it. I watched the screen drop to 197W, then 193W, etc.

 

[edyle]

I hear most 200 watt device are lies. 133 ( or something) is supposedly the max output.

The max output depends on the ohms.

 

[edyle]

One thing I've noticed with the mods I have is they cut you off much sooner than 3.2v, and at lower power levels than 200W. My Sig 150tc will cut me off at 3.6v running 80W.

When I tested an atty at 200W, the rx200 began dropping the power level itself when the batteries could no longer sustain it. I watched the screen drop to 197W, then 193W, etc.

That's because even though the battery is at 3.6 volts with no load, when you attempt to fire it at 80 watts, you get a voltage drop to below 3.2 volts, so the mod detects low voltage and stops fireing.

 

[roxynoodle]

That's because even though the battery is at 3.6 volts with no load, when you attempt to fire it at 80 watts, you get a voltage drop to below 3.2 volts, so the mod detects low voltage and stops fireing.

Gotcha.

At any rate I'm happy to report those safety features are there, and none of them are allowing the batteries to get too low it seems.

 

[crxess]

With what hertz modulator are you going to sustain 200w and for how long ?
Your assuming the average person knows what and how to calculate there battery's amp limit, would my new 25r's or hg2's be rockin @ 200w ?

I'm not assuming anything. I simply stated How it is done. You can take up safety with the manufacturers. I Vape under 75w

 

[rhelton]

I'm not assuming anything. I simply stated How it is done. You can take up safety with the manufacturers. I Vape under 75w

I vape under 50w lol

But I do have two 200w devices

 

[K_Tech]

I vape under 50w lol

But I do have two 200w devices

Lol. I can relate to that. I'm rarely over 45 watts or so, but I have a few mods capable of going higher, I have a Cuboid that I upgraded to 200 watts and a DNA200 on the wish list.
If they made a 75 watt dual 18650 mod with TC, TCR, and as customizable as the DNA200 mods with something along the lines of Escribe, I'd be on board with that.

 

[rhelton]

Lol. I can relate to that. I'm rarely over 45 watts or so, but I have a few mods capable of going higher, I have a Cuboid that I upgraded to 200 watts and a DNA200 on the wish list.
If they made a 75 watt dual 18650 mod with TC, TCR, and as customizable as the DNA200 mods with something along the lines of Escribe, I'd be on board with that.

Well they just announced the DNA75 and it looks like its the same platform as the DNA200. I seen it somewhere on pre-order for 40 bucks. I imagine it will operate on the Escribe also but will have to wait and see on that. You could put one together yourself with dual cells or wait for one to hit the market.

Hcigar is the first to have a mod out with the board using a 26650.

 

[K_Tech]

Well they just announced the DNA75 and it looks like its the same platform as the DNA200. I seen it somewhere on pre-order for 40 bucks. I imagine it will operate on the Escribe also but will have to wait and see on that. You could put one together yourself with dual cells or wait for one to hit the market.

Hcigar is the first to have a mod out with the board using a 26650.

I can rebuild RTAs and drippers, I can solder (competently) and wire circuits blindfolded, I can drill holes and bolt things together from liter bikes to small blocks, but when it comes to making things pretty, I'm not your guy. I have skill, but no talent.

 

[rhelton]

I can rebuild RTAs and drippers, I can solder (competently) and wire circuits blindfolded, I can drill holes and bolt things together from liter bikes to small blocks, but when it comes to making things pretty, I'm not your guy. I have skill, but no talent.

I kinda came from where your at when I started building. I am still getting wire management under control. They have 3D printed faceplates for the DNA200, if it is the same platform those will work and the wiring is minimal on them. If you can solder you can build one.

 

[rhelton]

I can rebuild RTAs and drippers, I can solder (competently) and wire circuits blindfolded, I can drill holes and bolt things together from liter bikes to small blocks, but when it comes to making things pretty, I'm not your guy. I have skill, but no talent.

Sorry OP this is way off topic.....

This is a great way to start building. You just have to mount the components and make the final connections. I have one of these and it is a fantastic mod.

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