200 Watts?

[MagicJosh]

The max output depends on the ohms.

true that!

 

[Rangertrix]

Lol. I can relate to that. I'm rarely over 45 watts or so, but I have a few mods capable of going higher, I have a Cuboid that I upgraded to 200 watts and a DNA200 on the wish list.
If they made a 75 watt dual 18650 mod with TC, TCR, and as customizable as the DNA200 mods with something along the lines of Escribe, I'd be on board with that.

I'm actually curious, just for giggles, if there is a difference in performance or battery life on the cuboid with the latest firmwares; I.e. they have 2 versions of the latest firmware that are supposed to be the same except one bumps up to 200 watts and the other stays at 150.

 

[sparkky1]

The max output depends on the ohms.

Please explain how resistance has any relevance pertaning to the max output

 

[edyle]

Please explain how resistance has any relevance pertaning to the max output

Well, on a regulated mod, it may specify an operating coil resistance of 0.1 to 3.0 ohms.
However, the full power range of the mod might only be available for a small window of ohms within that range, like 0.3 to 1.2 ohms.
Because of the current limit, the mod may not be able to offer its max power at it's lowest operating ohms.
Because of the voltage limit, the mod may not be able to offer it's max power at it's highest operating ohms.

You can check the graphs on steam-engine.org under the 'mod range' tab to see what power range is available for different ohms on different mods in the dropdown menu.

 

[sparkky1]

That's because even though the battery is at 3.6 volts with no load, when you attempt to fire it at 80 watts, you get a voltage drop to below 3.2 volts, so the mod detects low voltage and stops fireing.

How would a newish legit high drain battery, charged & discharged with a quality external charger drop .5 volts, when it reaches "3.6 v ?

 

[sparkky1]

Well, on a regulated mod, it may specify an operating coil resistance of 0.1 to 3.0 ohms.
However, the full power range of the mod might only be available for a small window of ohms within that range, like 0.3 to 1.2 ohms.
Because of the current limit, the mod may not be able to offer its max power at it's lowest operating ohms.
Because of the voltage limit, the mod may not be able to offer it's max power at it's highest operating ohms.

You can check the graphs on steam-engine.org under the 'mod range' tab to see what power range is available for different ohms on different mods in the dropdown menu.

Current (amps) and voltage input through the PCB's limits have absolutely 0 to do with the resistance of the atomizer, it would however be prompt to lower it's max range if the PWM circuit
see's a voltage drop from the power supply .........................

 

[rhelton]

How would a newish legit high drain battery, charged & discharged with a quality external charger drop .5 volts, when it reaches "3.6 v ?

It does not. But the majority of the regulators we use monitor voltage under load. This is what he was saying. This is why you can only obtain these extreme high watts for a short period of time. They will throttle you back from your requested wattage when necessary.

If you go back a little farther I do think its made pretty clear what they were talking about. He was clear in his explanation and you pretty much just repeated what he said in your last post.

 

[edyle]

How would a newish legit high drain battery, charged & discharged with a quality external charger drop .5 volts, when it reaches "3.6 v ?

The question asked, which I responded to, was not concerning a 'newish legit, high drain battery"; was it?

 

[edyle]

Please explain how resistance has any relevance pertaning to the max output

see steam-engine.org.

above are charts from steamengine showing the power levels attainable for different coil resistances;
one of them is the dna-200 and the other is the sigelei150
Both of these devices can fire a 2 ohm coil,
both of these devices can fire at 100 watts,
but neither of them can fire a 2 ohm coil for 100 watts.

 

[rhelton]

The question asked, which I responded to, was not concerning a 'newish legit, high drain battery"; was it?

No you were quite thorough in your explanation. You put it in layman's terms as best you could to answer a question for someone who did not understand.

Not sure why she trolling everyone.

 

[Romenov]

Tesla 200W TC
Sigelei Fuchai 200W TC
both are dual 18650 slots, they can't reach 200W?

 

[Douggro]

Tesla 200W TC
Sigelei Fuchai 200W TC
both are dual 18650 slots, they can't reach 200W?

Real-world? No.

 

[Romenov]

Real-world? No.

sad.. how they can mark while they can't reach it.. what's the exact max watt they can do?

 

[K_Tech]

I'm actually curious, just for giggles, if there is a difference in performance or battery life on the cuboid with the latest firmwares; I.e. they have 2 versions of the latest firmware that are supposed to be the same except one bumps up to 200 watts and the other stays at 150.

I honestly couldn't say, I upgraded to 3.11 within 48 hours of receiving the Cuboid. I didn't do it for the extended power range or the new SMART mode, I did it for the "wattage down" feature, lol.

 

[Rangertrix]

I honestly couldn't say, I upgraded to 3.11 within 48 hours of receiving the Cuboid. I didn't do it for the extended power range or the new SMART mode, I did it for the "wattage down" feature, lol.

They released a second firmware at the same time which gave the wattage down, smart mode, etc. that left wattage limit at 150 and I'm curious as to why, lol.
What am I curious? Why ask why?

 

[K_Tech]

They released a second firmware at the same time which gave the wattage down, smart mode, etc. that left wattage limit at 150 and I'm curious as to why, lol.
What am I curious? Why ask why?

Well, I didn't really see the sense of it. Operationally speaking, other than the difference in max available power, they're both the same.
My guess? They did it because they could!

 

[Rangertrix]

Well, I didn't really see the sense of it. Operationally speaking, other than the difference in max available power, they're both the same.
My guess? They did it because they could!

Lol, probably. I just wondered if someone became as curious as I was and decided to compare. Thanks for the input.

 

[sparkky1]

No you were quite thorough in your explanation. You put it in layman's terms as best you could to answer a question for someone who did not understand.

Not sure why she trolling everyone.

Before you start throwing out the "she troll" word, "because I don't understand", ask mooch what the difference between a .5 & .05 voltage drop @3.6v from your cell means and what is considered normal, with any of the big 3 high drain cells under 200 cycles .................

 

[Robino1]

Let's not throw the "Troll" word around.

Please and Thank You!

 

[sparkky1]

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see steam-engine.org.

above are charts from steamengine showing the power levels attainable for different coil resistances;
one of them is the dna-200 and the other is the sigelei150
Both of these devices can fire a 2 ohm coil,
both of these devices can fire at 100 watts,
but neither of them can fire a 2 ohm coil for 100 watts.

You are right there, not too many people sub ohm anymore these day's, let alone those who seek max output or temp control ..............