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Minnis12

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I recently ordered a mutant clone that is sexy AF!!! And it came with a keeppower 26650 40A 4200 mah battery with a small single cell charger. I putting it on the charger around 08:30 this morning and it's still glowing red/orange at 19:40. This is the first cycle but I wouldn't think it to be this long. I put one of my 18650's on to test it and it indicated green (charged). Any tips? I hate to write it off as bad just yet seeing as how it's my first 26650 and I don't know much about their cycle times.
 

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Just an FYI -- The test results on your battery don't look great. At best, they are 20A continuous. I wouldn't trust the charger either for mod batteries. Keeppower 26650 40A 4200 mah

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I'm not really worried about the amp limit on it. Im using my Veritas at .7ohm single coil. I've mainly used the 20a efest batteries. I'm just curious as to if the time it's taking for this first charge is normal or if I got a bad cell. I do appreciate the info though and I did a little research prior to ordering. Like I said. I'm not too worried about the limits of it though I'm well within what your research shows.
 

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What is the output on that charger?

A fully discharged 4200mAh battery will take:
A little over four hours with a 1000mAh (1 amp) charger
A little over eight hours with a 500mAh charger
About 17 hours with a 250mAh charger

To be honest I don't know. It came with the battery. All the writing on it is in Chinese/Japanese (i don't know the difference) im just trying it because my other 18650 charger won't work as the cell is too large. I'm ordering an efest luc
 

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To be honest I don't know. It came with the battery. All the writing on it is in Chinese/Japanese (i don't know the difference) im just trying it because my other 18650 charger won't work as the cell is too large. I'm ordering an efest luc

If you can take a good picture of the writing on it and post it we may be able to help figure that out.

The Efest Luc is a good charger :)
 

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What is the output on that charger?

A fully discharged 4200mAh battery will take:
A little over four hours with a 1000mAh (1 amp) charger
A little over eight hours with a 500mAh charger
About 17 hours with a 250mAh charger
Actually, it's more complicated than that. Lithium cells only get charged at constant current up to their cut-off voltage, but they're not fully charged at that point, so what happens next is a constant voltage charge (while the charger monitors current) until the current drops below some threshold. Bottom line: It will typically take somewhat longer than the first-order calculations above.
 

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I found some number and English letters reading "450 MA" 450 mah charging rate?

That's very likely correct. The battery should have come at around 3.6 volts, so just under half charged. Even if it were almost completely discharged, at 450 milliamps it should not take longer than 11 hours to charge. What is the battery voltage now off the charger?
 

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That's very likely correct. The battery should have come at around 3.6 volts, so just under half charged. Even if it were almost completely discharged, at 450 milliamps it should not take longer than 11 hours to charge. What is the battery voltage now off the charger?
I conveniently misplaced my multimeter. I did put the battery in the mod and it DID fire so it may just be slow rolling. Like I said, it's a cheap free charger. If it's not charged soon I'm gonna try to charge one of my 18650's on it just to see
 

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Actually, it's more complicated than that. Lithium cells only get charged at constant current up to their cut-off voltage, but they're not fully charged at that point, so what happens next is a constant voltage charge (while the charger monitors current) until the current drops below some threshold. Bottom line: It will typically take somewhat longer than the first-order calculations above.

Capacity on a lithium cell during charge is a steady climb
 

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A picture is worth 1000 words:
ion2.jpg


Source: Charging Lithium-Ion Batteries

So that shows capacity at a steady climb and besides that it is a graph for charging at 1C not what we are talking about here in this thread. When charging at a rate well below 1C the graph looks totally different.
 

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So that shows capacity at a steady climb
Apparently the word "steady" means something different to you than it does to me. To me, that would be a straight line, which that clearly isn't.

PS/Edit: Oh, and if that's a 1C charge, how come it takes 2.5 hours to get the battery to full capacity? ;)
 
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