26650 Simplicity by Super-T

[forcedfuel50]

Just somebody with completely different tastes than your average Super-T user who bought something he really didn't want, didn't take the time to figure out some simple things, and felt the need to do a video on it so he'd be the first one.

Especially post Igetcha strata review, one has to be very cautious of reviews of any Super-T product. Some buy just to do a negative review. On this subforum alone, I had to delete and ban 5 members for false reviews/findings on the Strata, spawned by the Igetcha review, that we were able to definitively confirm all five never purchased nor owned a Strata. I also identified a few members who posted over on that video by their username and real name that never purchased one yet claimed to. Additionally, I have received in the past emails from customers who actually threaten to do negative reviews of our products if we don't meet their requests (usually they want us to give them something for free).

Incidentally, regarding the Igetcha video. Even after he was made aware that his testing methods did not apply to the Strata, nor any RDA/RBA for that matter, as he used forced/pressurized induction in his demonstration testing, not vacuum as RBA's/RDA's run on, he refuses to take the video down.

No one should be doing any findings or analysis when they don't even know the simple fact that RBA/RDA's work on Vacuum, not forced/pressurized induction as he demonstrated. It is a great dis-service to the Ecig community and really speaks to their credibility and intent.

ALL rba's and rda's work on vacuum, not forced/pressurized air, see here for more information:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/super-t-manufacturing/547274-strata-airflow-testing.html

 

[snork]

How 'bout forcedfuel50 makes the first forced air atomizer. Stick it in your mouth, press the button and vapor shoots out your nose.

 

[vaptamist]

I think someone did something similar to that already - using a fan or something, for people who have problems breathing.

 

[snork]

I think someone did something similar to that already - using a fan or something, for people who have problems breathing.

Wow. That's...charitable.

 

[forcedfuel50]

Ah ok, I watched the video, the problems are simply setup related and all could have been adjusted away easily within a minute or two and once you get it setup for the battery you like, you don't ever have to change it again, so it really isn't fiddly at all, set it up once and done! FYI, I never received a request from him prior to his posting the "review" asking for any advice on his set up problems.

 

[poconojo]

Ah ok, I watched the video, the problems are simply setup related and all could have been adjusted away easily within a minute or two and once you get it setup for the battery you like, you don't ever have to change it again, so it really isn't fiddly at all, set it up once and done! FYI, I never received a request from him prior to his posting the "review" asking for any advice on his set up problems.

Maybe you should send him a "free" 26650 simplicity and he can do a good review on the device!

 

[Freckle]

Ordered. Took me awhile to get over the fact it didn't have rhodium contacts for that price (hey I am honest). I will say that brass is my next favorite. Now if someone would be so kind as to tell me an expected time frame for the kick rings?

 

[snork]

Ordered. Took me awhile to get over the fact it didn't have rhodium contacts for that price (hey I am honest). I will say that brass is my next favorite. Now if someone would be so kind as to tell me an expected time frame for the kick rings?

Cool!
Reading your post reminded me to try my ShockWave Kick ring in the Simplicity. I does indeed work well, though I would need to do a bit of o-ring switching to get my AW 26500 to situate properly. Hopefully David will crank out a few more rings for those who feel the need.

 

[Freckle]

Cool!
Reading your post reminded me to try my ShockWave Kick ring in the Simplicity. I does indeed work well, though I would need to do a bit of o-ring switching to get my AW 26500 to situate properly. Hopefully David will crank out a few more rings for those who feel the need.

Yeah the simplicity 26650 and the shockwave are some of the few 26650 mods that actually have a kick ring. Well I I know the simplicity doesn't have a kick ring made for it, but I do remember reading David saying the shockwave's kick ring does work. It would be awesome if he would make a few more. By any chance, does a kick work in the simplicity version without a kick ring? I wouldn't think so, but I am hoping.

 

[sdogre]

I would love a 22mm slant cap? Just saying.

 

[snork]

Yeah the simplicity 26650 and the shockwave are some of the few 26650 mods that actually have a kick ring. Well I I know the simplicity doesn't have a kick ring made for it, but I do remember reading David saying the shockwave's kick ring does work. It would be awesome if he would make a few more. By any chance, does a kick work in the simplicity version without a kick ring? I wouldn't think so, but I am hoping.

No, it would require the ring.

 

[Turbo Slaab]

Especially post Igetcha strata review, one has to be very cautious of reviews of any Super-T product. Some buy just to do a negative review. On this subforum alone, I had to delete and ban 5 members for false reviews/findings on the Strata, spawned by the Igetcha review, that we were able to definitively confirm all five never purchased nor owned a Strata. I also identified a few members who posted over on that video by their username and real name that never purchased one yet claimed to. Additionally, I have received in the past emails from customers who actually threaten to do negative reviews of our products if we don't meet their requests (usually they want us to give them something for free).

Incidentally, regarding the Igetcha video. Even after he was made aware that his testing methods did not apply to the Strata, nor any RDA/RBA for that matter, as he used forced/pressurized induction in his demonstration testing, not vacuum as RBA's/RDA's run on, he refuses to take the video down.

No one should be doing any findings or analysis when they don't even know the simple fact that RBA/RDA's work on Vacuum, not forced/pressurized induction as he demonstrated. It is a great dis-service to the Ecig community and really speaks to their credibility and intent.

ALL rba's and rda's work on vacuum, not forced/pressurized air, see here for more information:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/super-t-manufacturing/547274-strata-airflow-testing.html

As an impartial party, watching igetcha's video and reading your response, it seems your a little confused about what he was trying to get across. I understand where he's coming from, and also the design you chose (although, not a fan of an atomizer that limits how you build it).

The side airflow test he did with the syringe was just a suggestion to make the atomizer multi-build friendly. As you said, air looks to travel with the least resistance possible. Without a direct path air would travel around the coil instead of over it. The coil is resistance. All he was saying was to put the air holes facing the build deck to directly force air to the coil, instead of facing downwards where the air will find it's easiest route away from resistance (the coil). The pressure /vacuum debate you brought up is moot. In what he was trying to explain, that aspect is irrelevant.

I really like your products and what you have done in the vaping community. I hope that in the future you could take all criticisms positive.

 

[Freckle]

No, it would require the ring.

Didn't think so, but I had a 50/50 chance, had to ask. Thank you for the response.

 

[poconojo]

As an impartial party, watching igetcha's video and reading your response, it seems your a little confused about what he was trying to get across. I understand where he's coming from, and also the design you chose (although, not a fan of an atomizer that limits how you build it).

The side airflow test he did with the syringe was just a suggestion to make the atomizer multi-build friendly. As you said, air looks to travel with the least resistance possible. Without a direct path air would travel around the coil instead of over it. The coil is resistance. All he was saying was to put the air holes facing the build deck to directly force air to the coil, instead of facing downwards where the air will find it's easiest route away from resistance (the coil). The pressure /vacuum debate you brought up is moot. In what he was trying to explain, that aspect is irrelevant.

I really like your products and what you have done in the vaping community. I hope that in the future you could take all criticisms positive.

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[Freckle]

I like Scott, a lot, watched many of his reviews. I remember a review on the Darwin, he tore it down. He clearly said it was ugly and he didn't like it. He went on in the video about the aesthetics. I still watched him after that video, cause he knew way more than me, and I learned plenty from him.

David is by far my favorite mechanical mod maker. Brilliant mind. This ecig industry wouldn't be the same without him. I truly believe that. I can't comment about the strata cause I don't own one. Though I understand what David is saying, and I understand what Scott is saying. Both are right, but in different ways.

Kayfun is built upon pressure, therefore it has a vacuum seal, airflow placement isn't as important. I believe that was what David was shooting for. Though most atomizers, especially drippers, where there is no vacuum seal, air flow is all about placement. The kayfun works regardless where the hole is, as a vacuum because the juice is what completes the seal. No complete seal, no vacuum.

 

[snork]

As an impartial party, watching igetcha's video and reading your response, it seems your a little confused about what he was trying to get across. I understand where he's coming from, and also the design you chose (although, not a fan of an atomizer that limits how you build it).

The side airflow test he did with the syringe was just a suggestion to make the atomizer multi-build friendly. As you said, air looks to travel with the least resistance possible. Without a direct path air would travel around the coil instead of over it. The coil is resistance. All he was saying was to put the air holes facing the build deck to directly force air to the coil, instead of facing downwards where the air will find it's easiest route away from resistance (the coil). The pressure /vacuum debate you brought up is moot. In what he was trying to explain, that aspect is irrelevant.

I really like your products and what you have done in the vaping community. I hope that in the future you could take all criticisms positive.

Do you not think that all atomizers limit how you build it, or to put it more positively, that there are optimal ways to build each atomizer?

It appears that David's point didn't get across. No matter downward, inward, upward, air is never forced to the coil. If the coil is positioned within the existing airflow is a more apt description, in any atomizer.

 

[poconojo]

I have also watched Scott's reviews since I started vaping, and I have a lot of respect for him and the way he puts himself out there. I purchased a number of devices based on his reviews. I have to disagree with the way he did the video on the Strata. To me the video seemed more about his ego being hurt than actually giving the Strata a chance. He had a very sarcastic tone in his voice while doing the video. What makes him an expert over someone that actually builds a device for use? I have owned a lot of atomisers, and I don't claim to be an expert! I have read thru the posts between the two of them and in no way did David come off as sounding like a no it all. Scott came off sounding like a no it all. If a neighbor came to my house and said they did not like the way my lawn looks for instance, I would tell them to get the hell off my property! Probably not a good analogy, but just sayin!

 

[jkim5708]

Does the 26650 come with carrying pouch?

 

[forcedfuel50]

Does the 26650 come with carrying pouch?

Some have, some haven't, we ran out. Though the ones that did, they don't fit well at all, so tight you can't get them in and out.

 

[forcedfuel50]

As an impartial party, watching igetcha's video and reading your response, it seems your a little confused about what he was trying to get across.

Respectfully, I am not confused at all.

I understand where he's coming from, and also the design you chose (although, not a fan of an atomizer that limits how you build it).

I disagree with your statement that my design limits how you build it. Quite the opposite, I believe it is one of the most limitless designs on the market. There are now successful builds using single, dual, quad, regular, micro, 360, vertical, horizontal, stovepipe, Ophion, etc etc. Its mind boggling how many successful coils of all types people are building for the Strata. Plus, throw in the adjustable draw and 360 degree airflow, and you have an RDA with very limitless setup combinations.

The side airflow test he did with the syringe was just a suggestion to make the atomizer multi-build friendly.

I disagree. Please rewatch his video. I quote: these tests will "give you a very, very good idea of what actually will happen once the airflow exits the air inlets" However, his tests will NOT give you a very, very good idea of what the airflow will do in any existing RBA/RDA as all existing RBA/RDA's on the market work via vacuum induction, not forced induction as he is showing. Air acts completely different when sucked in, then when it is forced/pressurized in. The only thing his tests can show is what air may do if we created an atomizer that had a pump and pumped air under pressure into an atomizer, but it in no way applies to any existing atomizer on the market. (actually, I think someone did create one with a pump, not sure how it works, but his testing may apply to that atomizer, but not any vacuum operated rba/rda)

All he was saying was to put the air holes facing the build deck to directly force air to the coil

Yes, agreed, that's exactly what he was saying and where he is incorrect, air is not directly forced in ANY RBA/RDA. They do not shoot out straight like demonstrated. Nor does the air flatten out and dissipate along the bottom like in his video testing, yet he promotes that is how the Strata works which is incorrect and a disservice to the Ecig community. Please read my airflow thread for more information.

I hope that in the future you could take all criticisms positive.

I do take all legitimate criticisms positive and even make changes to my products based on feedback. I will not however sit idly by when a tester puts up a video using non-applicable testing methods and then tries to apply it to my design to prove it is "faulty". I designed and tested the Strata and know exactly how it works. I built my own vacuum operated test chamber. The airflow does not act as depicted in his testing nor as described in his video narrative.