300 watts???

[FictitiousFreedom]

Ok, so I'm confused. On rip trippers new cc video he has a .09 build in his plume, by my calculations that is 152 watts, 41 amps on a 3.7 battery, if the battery is fully charged its 46 amps. So on a 30amp vtc5 isn't that too much, my guess is that the max is higher than 30amps so its possible but a lil dangerous but I just saw something that really confused me. On the ameravape interview forumn a guy who was comparing Mechs to regulated mods said that he almost always vapes over 300 watts on an 18650. That is 81 amps, a .045 coil. I wanted to call bs but I feel like maybe there is some secret I'm not aware of. So if someone can clear this up I'd be very grateful.

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[juggalofisher88]

Well the vtc5s have a continuous amp rate of 30a and supposedly a 60a pulse limit, there are debates on how long a pulse really is. Half second 2-3 second, even 30 seconds.
And also there is some debate on wether pushing a battery past the continuous rate is safe or not, me personally the reward ain't worth the risk.

Also keep in mind if you watched rips first cloud chasing vid he was using a unregulated box mod with two vtc5s in parallel that means the continuous amp rating was doubled to 60a which would be fine with either build in those two vids (or atleast I think the first one was under 60)

 

[FictitiousFreedom]

Yeah but in the 2nd vid he's using a mechanical with one vtc5, he's using a gold v3 with a plume. either way I can see .09 at 41 amps working, but the guy saying he only vaped at over 300 watts with an 18650 has gotta be full of it right? I don't see how a 30amp battery can push out 80 plus amps period. I was just wondering if everything I thought I knew about batteries and ohms law was somehow wrong. I just hate people lying about this stuff, it can cause people harm. I really wanted to call him out but if somehow he really is pulling 80 amps out of a 30 amp battery I don't wanna start .....

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[juggalofisher88]

Maybe he's using 2 18650 stacked that would be 8.4v at .2352ohms would be pulling 35.71a
Of course I'm only speculating I'm sure someone has tried to pull 80a outta 1 of these.
Problem with batteries in series the amp limit stays the same...

 

[edyle]

Ok, so I'm confused. On rip trippers new cc video he has a .09 build in his plume, by my calculations that is 152 watts, 41 amps on a 3.7 battery, if the battery is fully charged its 46 amps. So on a 30amp vtc5 isn't that too much, my guess is that the max is higher than 30amps so its possible but a lil dangerous but I just saw something that really confused me. On the ameravape interview forumn a guy who was comparing Mechs to regulated mods said that he almost always vapes over 300 watts on an 18650. That is 81 amps, a .045 coil. I wanted to call bs but I feel like maybe there is some secret I'm not aware of. So if someone can clear this up I'd be very grateful.

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Well, if your battery and mod together contribute a total of

0.1 ohm, then your max possible current is 40 amps
1 ohm , then your max possible currrent is 40 amps.

 

[edyle]

Yeah but in the 2nd vid he's using a mechanical with one vtc5, he's using a gold v3 with a plume. either way I can see .09 at 41 amps working, but the guy saying he only vaped at over 300 watts with an 18650 has gotta be full of it right? I don't see how a 30amp battery can push out 80 plus amps period. I was just wondering if everything I thought I knew about batteries and ohms law was somehow wrong. I just hate people lying about this stuff, it can cause people harm. I really wanted to call him out but if somehow he really is pulling 80 amps out of a 30 amp battery I don't wanna start .....

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Ask him what's his voltage drop.

 

[FictitiousFreedom]

I think he mispoke or I misunderstood him, he said something like, I vape at over 300 watts on almost all my mechs that are all but one 18650. I think he was saying that all his mods are 26650 except one 18650, that would make more since, I still don't think it'd be the safest or the most enjoyable vape but hey, to each his own. Also you would be buying new batteries like twice a month lol

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[MattyB1503]

Rip trippers is kinda a KOOK. If he is truly that manic I'd hate to see him on a down swing. But, yes, theoretically it can be done on a vtc within the "pulse rating" just like a MNKE is 20 continuous and 60 pulse. I want to say the vtc's plus rating is > 60A just by the simple fact that it has a lower capacitance than an MNKE (??).

^This is where you see unscrupulous companies like Efest and whoevers making that "vape" battery dink around with ambiguous specs; throwing out amp ratings but not calling-out continuous or pulse. Basically they'er trying to fool you.

Here's the catch though, and there always is, the closer you get to a batteries continuous current rating (CCR) the more battery sag you get. Say your pulling 30A on a vtc, you're not getting 4.2v @ the 510, not even 3.7v it's more like 3.3v. Silver, gold, whatever... Just like you could probably pull a trailer with a prius, but why. So will the battery explode maybe not but are you really pulling those super high wattage numbers, nope.

As far as 300 watts, consider the source. Ameravape...

 

[23skidoo]

Solid post MattyB. I think you nailed it.

These pulse ratings make me think of some of these old school vapers on here that talk about stacking unregulated and using quick button taps to 'regulate' their vape so it doesn't fry their juice. Nowhere near the same thing, but pulsing can mean tapping the switch or holding it for ???. What's a pulse?

I've seen charts that show the VCT5's being able to handle bursts of 100amps. I have no idea if that's credible and I by no means suggest that, or know if it's possible at the coil. I saw a VariAnt review where the reviewer lit their juice on fire by setting it so high. That was 100 watts (maybe) so I'm not sure 300 watts is even vape-able.

 

[MattyB1503]

Totally.

I regularly build down to ~0.2 on vtc's but do I try to say I'm pulling 90 watts... Pssssshhh. Anyone that's hit a naos raptor chip-set instantly knows the difference.

Regarding the pulse rating, personally I take that to mean the battery can take a momentary load @ that rating w/o failure; not I can tap, tap, tap my way to 100watts.

 

[FictitiousFreedom]

Yeah, there is a lot of progress to be made with these batteries. I really need to buy a good box mod, I only have mechs and I love them but the grass is always greener lol.

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