EU 4 Dec 13: Dr Gilbert Ross : EU bureaucrats plan to protect cigarette .. while killing smokers

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Opinion: EU bureaucrats plan to protect cigarette and drug markets while killing smokers

When the European Parliament (EP) flouted the European Commission’s (EC) proposed tobacco Products Directive (TPD) by vetoing medicine regulation for electronic cigarettes (e-cigs) last October, American public health experts (myself included) heaved a sigh of semi-relief. Such regulation would have, in effect, banned e-cigs, made all the effective devices illegal in the EU and turned millions of ‘vapers’ into relapsed smokers or criminals. The beneficiaries? Big tobacco and Big Pharma.

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Wouldn’t you know it? While our backs were turned, sulking members of the EC (who represent whom, exactly?) decided not to let their perceived slap by the EP go unanswered, and decided to try a clever bypass of the democratically-elected legislature by resuming their assault on e-cigs.


Great article. He tells it like it is. And he says it all.
 
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Hahaha AgentAnia - well said :D
Yes, like children who did not get their way with momma.
Momma said "NO medicine regulation" and those children say "But I WANNA!"
Momma says "But why?" and those children stamp their feet and say "Because I wanna! That's why!"

There is news that the EU Commission even wanted to write a so-called "delegated act" into the Tobacco Directive, which would enable the Commission to make any changes to that Tobacco Directive at any time, on its own, and without being held accountable to anyone. That goodness this "I am the Emperor of Europe!" nonsense was dropped from the directive.

No, I am not making this up.

The EU Commission loves those "Delegated acts". Those mean that the European Parliament - the elected representatives of the people - delegate their own decision making powers to the European Commission. So that the European Commission (a handful of un-elected burocrats in some office building in Brussels) can change / amend any EU directive on its own. Without consulting anybody at all. And that those Commission-made changes then become valid - for that directive - for all member countries of the EU and for all the citizens of those member countries. UNLESS the member states then fight that intrusion into their sovereignty after the fact.

Oh, the European Parliament and the member states of the EU just "love" Delegated Acts. The elected governments of the people in free and democratic countries do not have any intention whatsoever of having their countries, their economies and their people governed (!) by a handful of un-elected self-proclaimed "emperors" in some office building in a foreign country.
But the EU Commission tries it again and again.

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Delegated acts

DELEGATED ACTS

The Treaty of Lisbon creates a new category of legal act: delegated acts. The legislator delegates the power to adopt acts amending non essential elements of a legislative act to the Commission.
For example, delegated acts may specify certain technical details or they may consist of a subsequent amendment to certain elements of a legislative act. The legislator can therefore concentrate on policy direction and objectives without entering into overly technical debates.

However, this delegation of power has strict limits. In effect, only the Commission can be authorised to adopt delegated acts. Furthermore, the legislator sets the conditions under which this delegation may be implemented. Article 290 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU specifies that the Council and the Parliament may revoke a delegation or limit its duration.

oh.. and "non essential" my foot. :p

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In this case, a "delegated act" enabling the Commission to amend Article 18 (e-cigs) of the Tobacco Directive would have meant ... to stay with our example of children... that the children could have eaten as many sweets as they want, any time they please... without even having to ask momma.

Or, to put it bluntly: prohibited e-cigs unilaterally whenever they please.

Thank goodness that nonsense was not accepted in this case.

Source for the attempt - and failure of the attempt - to put a "delegated act" into the Tobacco Directive:
Member of European Parliament, 12 Dec 2013
 
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Dr. Ross has asked the question in his headline that we need to push hard, what did we do that makes you want to kill us.

I think we need to use that anywhere we can, there is enough science to back up that statement and more coming out almost weekly, it is now past the point where we are just guessing and using our own bodies as guinea pigs. Mine tells me that they are way healthier.

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@AgentAnia:
I have the Facebook link of the Member of European Parliament who reported that. It is not in English though.

And those "delegated acts" are nothing illegal. Megalomaniac, maybe. But not illegal.

The JURI (juristical body of the EU) is of the opinion that those "delegated acts" should not be used too often. And should not be used in the Tobacco Directive at all. JURI statement of 25 Jun 2013:

Finally, the Commission’s proposal contains a large number of provisions delegating powers to the Commission. However, pursuant to Article 290 TFEU, a delegation of powers is only possible with regard to non-essential elements of the legislative proposal. Some of the proposed provisions providing for delegated acts do not fulfil this requirement. For example, Article 3(2) in conjunction with Article 2(19) would grant the Commission to set the maximum yield of nicotine for cigarettes placed on the market to 0, effectively prohibiting cigarettes for good.

(it is a word document. I have it on my hard disk)

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This matter was just mentioned in the German vapers forum. That is where I picked up the quote just now.
 

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@AgentAnia:
I have the Facebook link of the Member of European Parliament who reported that. It is not in English though.

And those "delegated acts" are nothing illegal. Megalomaniac, maybe. But not illegal.

The JURI (juristical body of the EU) is of the opinion that those "delegated acts" should not be used too often. And should not be used in the Tobacco Directive at all. JURI statement of 25 Jun 2013:

(it is a word document. I have it on my hard disk)

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This matter was just mentioned in the German vapers forum. That is where I picked up the quote just now.

Thanks, Anja. Sounds like they're trying to sneak through the back door, AND the side door... :facepalm:
 

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Am I alone thinking we are being set up in EU ?

They leak documents purporting a ridiculous "blanket ban " on everything,then go ahead & do what they originally intended anyway
We the vapers are then so relieved to compromise with the crumbs we will no doubt be left with,that it appears everyone is happy.......not.
Am I paranoid/cynical.....you bet I am! :mad:
 

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I like to think of it as being savvy :)

It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you.

yup and well put :thumbs:
And they are out to get us - big time :(

What those silly people do not realize in their bottomless greed is that they have taken normal everyday citizens who comfortably lived their lives, and

- by attacking their way of life
- by demonizing their choice to engage in a less harmful form of a perfectly legal activity
- by spreading a lot of B.S. about that less harmful form of a perfectly legal activity
- by attempting to prohibit exactly that less harmful form of a perfectly legal activity .. while leaving the harmful form of the activity completely legal (!)
- and by treating them like total id*ots

they have turned those formerly normal everyday (mostly un-political) citizens into activists.

As Psyche said before "They cannot put me back to sleep".
And that goes for everything. Who of us still believes the lies that the rich and powerful have the media feed us - about just about everything that serves their interests?

Who of us has not been active to defend our own interests, in some way or another?
We have formed interest groups, made, signed and delivered petitions, read draft directives by the EU (! and that crap is hard to read, nobody would do that voluntarily), read medical studies and understood them too (and that crap... see above), fought against bans and bribery, written to our elected representatives (and not only once), formed big huge networks - and unified against a common enemy.

(Yes, I say "enemy", because that is what it is. People who want to see me die are my enemies.)

Do those up there really think that when the next thing happens.. e.g. Monsanto plans to poison us ... that we will sit idly by and not draw upon all the experience that we have gained and put it to good use, again?
The only time that the rich and powerful and greedy will get rid of us is when we die. :evil:
. .. maybe that is why they want us to start smoking again. To get rid of us sooner. I would not put it past them.... :2cool:
 
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Well put, Anja!
What a strange world this has become.
We have to fight & petition to:
Stop Monsanto
Stop fracking
Stop arsenic laden rice imports (which FDA just raises acceptable levels on)
Stop mercury laden products (VACCINES, skin care, etc)
And so forth while at the same time fight & petition to use SAFER ALTERNATIVES to smoking. Say what?
 

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Thank you, dears! :)

Well put, Anja!
What a strange world this has become.
We have to fight & petition to:
Stop Monsanto
Stop fracking
Stop arsenic laden rice imports (which FDA just raises acceptable levels on)
Stop mercury laden products (VACCINES, skin care, etc)
And so forth while at the same time fight & petition to use SAFER ALTERNATIVES to smoking. Say what?

I fully agree! This world is standing on its head!
 

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Well put, Anja!
What a strange world this has become.
We have to fight & petition to:
Stop Monsanto
Stop fracking
Stop arsenic laden rice imports (which FDA just raises acceptable levels on)
Stop mercury laden products (VACCINES, skin care, etc)
And so forth while at the same time fight & petition to use SAFER ALTERNATIVES to smoking. Say what?

Reading this list I'm beginning to believe that Bizarro was not just a comic book.

:vapor:
 
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