401 -> 510 Connector?

[one_raven]

Judging by this thread it seems that what I need to do to connect a 401 atomizer to a 510 batter is just have some sort of sex-changer.
They are the same size threads, but they are both female.
Does anyone offer such a thing?
If you are capable, what would you charge to knock one (or a few) of these out?

 

[one_raven]

By the way, I know the tubes are different diameters - I would like one for a mod I am working on.

 

[Lazarus]

You really need to get with Cisco on this one mate.

If Cisco can do this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/34845-mini-901-510-adapter.html he can certainly make your adapter.

 

[one_raven]

I was kind of hoping he would see this.

 

[warp1900]

The question is why would you want to connect a 401 atty to a 510 battery?, that will help us solve your problem much easier/faster.


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[one_raven]

Because I am going to use the skin of a 510 battery to hold the liquid tank in place.
I was going to take a 401 battery and tube-cut it down to make an interior collar of sorts, and thought it would be much more sturdy , usable and less complicated to just mate a 401 atomizer onto the 510 battery and slide the tank-holding 510 skin over that.

 

[Lazarus]

I was kind of hoping he would see this.

Time to use the PM utility, and quit hoping

 

[warp1900]

Because I am going to use the skin of a 510 battery to hold the liquid tank in place.
I was going to take a 401 battery and tube-cut it down to make an interior collar of sorts, and thought it would be much more sturdy , usable and less complicated to just mate a 401 atomizer onto the 510 battery and slide the tank-holding 510 skin over that.

Normally when someone starts a project and needs help, they post pics and that makes it much easier for others to understand and suggest alternatives.
I understand if you don't want others to copy your idea, but honestly, I still can't figure out what you are trying to do, it sounds like there are much simpler/cheaper ways to do what you are trying, but I am really not sure.

Anyway, for a straight answer to your question, you can ask several in the forum to make you an adapter as you want, but that will cost you more than probably all the project put together.
NO one sells such adapters commercially because they would serve no logic purpose.

Expect to pay around $20 to $30 for such a custom adapter.



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[one_raven]

Normally when someone starts a project and needs help, they post pics and that makes it much easier for others to understand and suggest alternatives.
I understand if you don't want others to copy your idea, but honestly, I still can't figure out what you are trying to do, it sounds like there are much simpler/cheaper ways to do what you are trying, but I am really not sure.[/url]
I have no concern about anyone copying the idea. I'm not going to try and market it or any such thing. I am going to post pictures as soon as I get them.
I ordered the hardware I need, and am just waiting for it to come so I can build it and post the pictures.

Anyway, for a straight answer to your question, you can ask several in the forum to make you an adapter as you want, but that will cost you more than probably all the project put together.
NO one sells such adapters commercially because they would serve no logic purpose.

Expect to pay around $20 to $30 for such a custom adapter.

I realize there is not much (if any) of a market for this, so I expect it to be a one-off - and I know I will have to pay for a one-off.
I have no problem with that.

 

[one_raven]

Time to use the PM utility, and quit hoping

I just did.
I didn't want to be presumptuous, because I have never spoken to him at all.
I posted it here hoping anyone who can do it will see it (and I know he does excellent work, so my hopes were that he would offer first).

 

[warp1900]

How about making one yourself?

If you can do whatever you are doing, you sure can make the adapter.

All you need is the connectors, a piece of battery tubing and some patience.


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[one_raven]

I still can't figure out what you are trying to do

You know how the atomizer fits snugly around the end of the cart?
I want the skin of a hollowed out 510 battery to fit snugly around the end of a 401 atomizer (LED end first) and leave the battery connector on the other end.

The way you slide a cart into an atomizer, I want to slide the 401 atomizer into a 510 battery tube.

I hope that makes sense.
I would post pictures if I could, but I don't even have a 401 atomizer to take a picture of (I have to order that too).

 

[one_raven]

How about making one yourself?

If you can do whatever you are doing, you sure can make the adapter.

All you need is the connectors, a piece of battery tubing and some patience.


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I have the patience, but I don't have the time.
The limited tools I have are mostly boxed-up in the basement because I recently moved and other projects have been backing up (including work).

 

[warp1900]

You know how the atomizer fits snugly around the end of the cart?
I want the skin of a hollowed out 510 battery to fit snugly around the end of a 401 atomizer (LED end first) and leave the battery connector on the other end.

The way you slide a cart into an atomizer, I want to slide the 401 atomizer into a 510 battery tube.

I hope that makes sense.
I would post pictures if I could, but I don't even have a 401 atomizer to take a picture of (I have to order that too).

If I understand correctly, the 510 battery shell, fits exactly and snugly over the 401 atomizer.
If what you want is it to fit on the 401 atomizer like a 401 cart would, then you are way off on the measurements.

I just physically did what you explained.

The result is a 401 atomizer thread on one side and a 510 battery connector on the other.

Or am I just not getting it yet?


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[one_raven]

If I understand correctly, the 510 battery shell, fits exactly and snugly over the 401 atomizer.
If what you want is it to fit on the 401 atomizer like a 401 cart would, then you are way off on the measurements.

I just physically did what you explained.

Perfect! Thank you.
I just ordered three 401 atomizers and was thinking they would be too small for that.

The result is a 401 atomizer thread on one side and a 510 battery connector on the other.

Or am I just not getting it yet?

That's exactly what I was hoping for.

Based on looking at the 401 atomizer (with it not having the external sleeve like the 510 does) I was afraid that the 510 sleeve would be too big to fit snulgy over the 401 atomizer.

This is what I was just saying to Cisco in PM, in response to him telling me I would need a shim...
I'm not sure he quite understood what I was looking for either.
I'm sorry if this is confusing, but if I had the hardware I would show it in pictures...

I was just looking at the 401 atomizers online (ordered three of them) and realized that.
It may not be as perfect as I was hoping.
I had never seen a 401 and my hope was that the atomizer would have the sleeve around it the way the 510 does.

Essentially, I am using a tank for a juice delivery system.
I have a tube connected to my 510 (made from a hollow 510 battery skin) that the tank slides inside of and it presses the nozzle against the atomizer bridge.
I am using spare pen parts around the outside to hold the whole contraption together, but I want it cleaner than that.
I was told that a 401 battery skin OD is the same as the 510 battery skin ID, so I was going to chop a 401 battery down and use it as a connector collar on the inside between the 510 atomizer and the tank-holdng sleeve.
I thought if I could mate a 401 atomizer onto the 510, I could just slide the tank-holding sleeve onto the atomizer.

I suppose I could make a shim out of the 401 battery sleeve to slide between the 401 atomizer and the tank-holding sleeve, but I'm not certain that would be any more sturdy than an internal collar made from the 410 battery sleeve.

Any thought on the matter?

I will post this response to you in the thread, and we can talk about it there, so I can benefit from multiple points of view and so people stop thinking I am playing some secretive game of trying to hide what I am doing so nobody beats me to the punch.

I want the 510 threads on the other side, because I threw together a pen-tip that would screw into it and make the whole thing look like a black pen with gold trim (but now I want to do it in copper instead of black).

So, the end result should fit together like this:
(please excuse the crap art)

 

[one_raven]

Does that help clarify what I am looking to do?

 

[warp1900]

Yes, it does help a lot, thank you for taking the time to make the drawing.

My question now is why not just use a 401 battery and a a 401 sleeve instead of the 510?

That would make things so much easier, you would not need any adapters, and you would have one smooth even shape/size going along the whole piece.


If your prototype works, why worry about the color/finish, once you can finish it, then you can figure out what you want it to look like.

I am really curious to see what this will work like.



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[Nuck]

I can see where you are going with the idea and its excellent. It puts the juice right above the atty with no tubes required. Good luck with it..I'll definitely be interested in seeing the final build.

1-As for creating joining connector, its very easy.
Use a small piece of 510 atty sleeve cut to proper length to fit 2 connectors (about 15mm).

2-Remove a 510 atty connector and a 401 battery connector.

3- Solder a wire to the 510 atty connector center (wire should be at least 30mm) and press fit the connector into one end of the sleeve. Use a bit of epoxy putty to secure if its not a really solid fit.

4 - Solder the other end of the wire to the center of the 401 bat connector and press fit into the other end of the sleeve. Again, epoxy it in place if required.

It actually only takes about 5 minutes to make one and the same process can be used to make any adaptors.

Like warp I'm a bit confused as to why you are using multiple models. I assume this is because its the only gear you have lying around. Wouldn't it be better to just stick with a 401 and create a simple extender to hold the juice container?

 

[one_raven]

The 510 is all I have (and some spare parts from the Blu).
I was using my 510, and was just trying to come up with a way of doing away with carts and ended up mocking something up with spare pen parts slapped onto my 510
about a wek ago.
Using this crap mock-up, so far the only drawback I am seeing is that since the vapor passes the tank on an inhale, the tank sort of "sweats" a little, do it is damp when I pull it out to refill it. Since it can hold about 2ml, luckily I don't have to fill it often.

When trying to figure out how to attach the tank sleeve to the atomizer (without it looking like I stuck two silicone pen grips and a brass cap at the end of my 510) I learned that the inner diameter of the 510 is the same as the outer diameter of the 401.
It wasn't until last night that I learned that the 401 atomizer doesn't have the sttached cart sleeve on it like the 510 (I had never seen one before I went to order them).

Once I get all this hardware, I can see how it all fits together and decide what to do from there.
I don't want to go buy a whole 401 kit, with a pcc, if the parts will not fit together like I hoped and if the tank will not fit inside the 401 sleeve (I used a glass tank, so there is no doctoring that to fit where it doesn't want to).
If it DOES fit into the 401, I may just be ordering more hardware and it will set my project back a little further - but the simplicity will make it worth the wait, my frankenstein mock-up is working great for me in the meantime.
One tank a day, five battery charges, no refills.

When I do my higher-capacity battery mod, I am using a tank design, but I am planning on making it so the tank is integrated into it, and I don't have to pull it out to refill it - and it won't be gathering nicsweat on teh outside.

 

[Nuck]

The 510 is all I have (and some spare parts from the Blu).
I was using my 510, and was just trying to come up with a way of doing away with carts and ended up mocking something up with spare pen parts slapped onto my 510
about a wek ago.
Using this crap mock-up, so far the only drawback I am seeing is that since the vapor passes the tank on an inhale, the tank sort of "sweats" a little, do it is damp when I pull it out to refill it. Since it can hold about 2ml, luckily I don't have to fill it often.

When trying to figure out how to attach the tank sleeve to the atomizer (without it looking like I stuck two silicone pen grips and a brass cap at the end of my 510) I learned that the inner diameter of the 510 is the same as the outer diameter of the 401.
It wasn't until last night that I learned that the 401 atomizer doesn't have the sttached cart sleeve on it like the 510 (I had never seen one before I went to order them).

Once I get all this hardware, I can see how it all fits together and decide what to do from there.
I don't want to go buy a whole 401 kit, with a pcc, if the parts will not fit together like I hoped and if the tank will not fit inside the 401 sleeve (I used a glass tank, so there is no doctoring that to fit where it doesn't want to).
If it DOES fit into the 401, I may just be ordering more hardware and it will set my project back a little further - but the simplicity will make it worth the wait, my frankenstein mock-up is working great for me in the meantime.
One tank a day, five battery charges, no refills.

When I do my higher-capacity battery mod, I am using a tank design, but I am planning on making it so the tank is integrated into it, and I don't have to pull it out to refill it - and it won't be gathering nicsweat on teh outside.

It really does sound like a great idea. I can't wait for the build so I can give it shot. Good luck...it's definitely innovation.