6 Months In - Ready for some feedback

[tOSU]

Quit the cancer sticks 6 months ago, and started vaping with innokin itaste vv3, and innokin iclear30s tanks. Since then, I've purchased a 2nd itaste vv3, and an MVP2, some more iclear 30s tanks, and a couple Aspire Nautilus tanks. I mainly use Nicoticket juice. I mainly work from my home office, in my car, or in hotels - and I'm a heavy vaper (typically 6-8 ml of juice per day, sometimes more, 6mg juice). My MVP usually lasts me most of the day, and then I will plug it in overnight and wrap up my night with one of my itaste vv3.

I've jacked up the threads on my MVP2 (tipped over with heavy Nautilus), so now only 1 of my Nautilus tanks will screw on it properly...
I thought about purchasing another MVP2, but with MVP3 coming out I might wait.

My question is...

Am I missing out on something? I read these forums, I chat with the local shop guys and other vapers...I hear and read tons about higher voltage, dripping, building wicks and cotton stuffing cutting...

Money isn't a concern, but time spent cutting and packing and dripping is a concern for me. I like fast and easy, but without losing much quality. I don't mind buying tons of replacement atomizers for my iClear and Nautilus...the $2 each is cheaper than my time spent building something or washing/dry burning.

What am I missing out on? Should I be looking at different equipment or methods? I feel like I'm missing out on something that could improve my (already great) vaping experience.

Thanks!

 

[SndGrdn]

Probably the biggest things would be Flavor and Vapor Production....

I still use my MVP v2 with my Nautilus as my all-day rig...but at night when I get home from work, man there is nothing quite like sitting back and chucking a few clouds...I find it extremely relaxing...

Sort of like my MVP = having a smoke and my DNA30 with a dual-coil build = puffing on a cigar....

 

[Brettanomyces]

First off if you're happy with your vape setup there's really no reason to change it. If you want more vapor or flavor then you might want to consider a higher wattage device or an RBA of some sort. Dripping is a very minor hassle but a fairly constant one, a rebuildable tank atomizer cuts the dripping out but you still have to wick and coil. Wicking isn't difficult but you should do it at least every couple days, coils don't need to be replaced that often and many shops will build them for you if you lack the knowledge or desire.

Aspire also has a successor to the Nautilus tank coming out called the Atlantis, it's mainly designed to be a sub-ohm clearomizer but it has some other advantages like better airflow and improved wicking. Again though, if you're happy there's no need to do anything.

 

[tOSU]

Thank you both for the response and thoughts. It's tough to know if the juice is worth the squeeze (e.g. better flavor & production quantity vs. time spent), without trying it out. I feel like I get good flavor from my current devices, but it's all I've done - so I wouldn't know any better.
The cigarette v cigar reference is a great one...that makes total sense.

This upcoming Atlantis tank from Aspire: it sounds great - but what does the sub-ohm get me? Would I also have to get different battery / power sources to gain the benefits of that?

I see people talk about higher wattage, but honestly when I turn my innokin stuff up to 10 or 11 watts, the vape seems too warm and sometimes somewhat burnt - on both my Nautilus and my iClear30s. I typically buy the lowest ohm atomizers...I think 1.5 or 1.7.

 

[Mccannch]

Your nautilus coils won't handle that much power for more than a couple of seconds it's not meant for that. Getting into Rebuildables doesn't have to be a lot of work, however it does require a fair bit of knowledge for safety. Maybe I would suggest asking a friend or your local B&M if you can take a hit off their setup and see what it does for you. It is a clear difference, however not as easy as the prebuilt stuff by any means.

 

[Brettanomyces]

The sub-ohm aspect of the Atlantis doesn't really interest me, it's the airflow and wicking that seems like it might be nice. The burnt taste you're getting at 10-11 watts is because it's vaporizing the juice faster than it can wick to the coil.

I ran my nautilus at 8.5-10 watts depending on the juice, with my kayfun RTA I run at 9.5-11 watts, with my dripper I run at 11 watts and could really use more.

There are some things to learn if you want build coils, especially related to safety but it's not difficult.

 

[ElConquistador]

You could always just dip your toe in the water with an inexpensive RDA, like an Igo-L for around $15 to satisfy any curiosity you might have. A few feet of wire and some cotton and you can experiment with it to see what it does for you. You have an ohm reader on your mod that will work. Watch a few videos on youtube to learn what needs to be done.

I rebuilt my Protanks for a while and got hooked on the fun of just doing it, not to mention the improvement in vapor, then moved on to RDA's.

 

[Stosh]

If you are satisifyed with the quality of the flavor and vapor you are getting now, you're not missing a thing. Many of us like to adjust, build, modify, tweak and DIY our toppers and juice, doesn't mean it's always better.

I fiddle and tweak all of my gear simply because I like to fiddle and tweak almost anything, not just vape gear. I tried various tanks, attys, cartos, RDA, Gennys, etc, modified all of them searching for the perfect vape. Better than some stock gear, sometimes yes, sometimes no....

I've settled on a Vision Vivi-Nova that I've bored and stroked for performance for most of my everyday vaping at about 10 watts. Even so I still fiddle around with a variety of toppers, mostly just to see what I can do with them.

 

[Rickajho]

If you want to get off the hardware chase fast line take a look at a Reo bottom feeder. You will have to build at least a simple single coil/wick setup for an atty but I can pretty much guarantee you will be spending a lot less time ever needing to rebuild that, than all the time you can waste fussing with pre made coils for BCC tanks and keeping those working right. Most people who get one report buying a Reo stops their hardware chasing dead in it's tracks. It just works.

 

[ProjektMayhem]

Check out Kayfun or Kayfun style RBA's. That way you can build but you don't have to drip. Or check out the Aspire Atlantis if you want more flavor and more vapor without having to build.

 

[tOSU]

Thanks all for the replies!
After watching some videos on building and dripping, and videos on the new Atlantis - I've decided that the Atlantis is the way to go for me. Ordering the Atlantis and the Aspire subohm battery directly from Aspire.
Seems this will give me some more flavor and vapor production, while still being easy to use and reuse.
thanks again!

 

[SweeneyTodd79]

Maybe not so much for in the car, but if you're the master of your work environment, I might eventually look at a dripping rig - they are lighter, and deliver arguably the best flavor experience. (and if you get them coiled right once, they hardly ever need to be re-coiled, just repacked with wicking)

- Most juices out there today were contrived in a world where 30 watts was major power... so 15 or 30 is adequate as a top end for most non hardcore vapers... It's also cheaper than diving into a 40-50-100 watt mod.

 

[NealBJr]

Thank you both for the response and thoughts. It's tough to know if the juice is worth the squeeze (e.g. better flavor & production quantity vs. time spent), without trying it out. I feel like I get good flavor from my current devices, but it's all I've done - so I wouldn't know any better.
The cigarette v cigar reference is a great one...that makes total sense.

This upcoming Atlantis tank from Aspire: it sounds great - but what does the sub-ohm get me? Would I also have to get different battery / power sources to gain the benefits of that?

I see people talk about higher wattage, but honestly when I turn my innokin stuff up to 10 or 11 watts, the vape seems too warm and sometimes somewhat burnt - on both my Nautilus and my iClear30s. I typically buy the lowest ohm atomizers...I think 1.5 or 1.7.

As a general rule of thumb, the higher the wattage, the greater potential of vapor you can get. Vapor production is a balance of Wattage, "coil contact", heat, airflow, and juice content. With pre-built coils, they usually use higher gauge wires (thinner wire), so they require less wattage to get them up to temperature. It also reduces the ammount of airflow you need to get a good vapor "density".

When you go into a lower ohm build, usually that means they use a lower gauge (thicker) wire, so there's more wire for the juice to contact. This requires more power to heat up more metal, and to get it up to temperature. However, since there's more contact with the juice, more vapor will come out, and thus need more airflow to get the same density.

Now, a lot of the tanks can't handle a sub ohm build.. since a low resistance means thicker wire, more juice is needed to re-wet it for the next draw. If they open the juice flow too much, you can have a leaky tank.. too little, and you can get dry hits (a burnt taste). That's why when people go sub ohm, they usually have a rebuildable system or a dripper... since they can build the wicks to provide the perfect ammount of juice flow, or simply drip enough juice manually when it gets dry.

If you chain vape, and are happy, I'd stick with the pre-builts. If you chain vape a sub-ohm.. you'll end up with a cloudy room. It's all a matter of personal taste though. In your case, a certain wattage was used to keep your wicks wet, and if you upped the wattage, you would get that burnt taste since the wicks could not keep up with the demand of a higher wattage setting. If you do want more vapor, I'd suggest getting something rebuildable and start the learning process now. The MVP can do some rebuilding, but It would have to be with a higher gauge wire, and not sub-ohm.. but it'd be a good learning process.

 

[sgilners]

does anybody know any good websites to buy rebuildable equipment? my local shop does not offer anything but I am interested in trying them out.

 

[joesquid]

OP,

I think you've made a great decision for you. I think some folks missed the point that you don't even want to be hassled with dry burning let alone get started on rebuildables. I don't know if you are missing out on a thing. I do know I am happy where I am at and don't feel the need to upgrade at all. I see no reason to buy new stuff just cuz it's new.

 

[tOSU]

OP,

I think you've made a great decision for you. I think some folks missed the point that you don't even want to be hassled with dry burning let alone get started on rebuildables. I don't know if you are missing out on a thing. I do know I am happy where I am at and don't feel the need to upgrade at all. I see no reason to buy new stuff just cuz it's new.

Thanks! Watching those videos of people making wicks and wrapping coils sealed the deal...it's just not for me. Certainly, to each their own - I am also the type of person who has no interest in changing my own oil on my car, mowing my own lawn, fixing plumbing leaks...so no surprise that I'm not interested in building my own atomizers.
The dripping thing is interesting though. After I try out the Aspire Atlantis and the Aspire subOhm battery, I might try to find somebody that sells pre-made stuff to connect to the Aspire subOhm that I could drip on.

 

[kronos01]

Mate, I have been there and didn't like the rebuildables. Too much effort for no reward. Stick to the Nautilus or Nautilus mini with the BVCs. I have also found the Kanger Protank 3 upgraded to the new coils and aero base do just fine. Plenty of vapour and flavour. No mess. Throw away the coils and replace. Easy.

 

[wshanncap]

I was stuck on my Vision Spinner II and Aspire CE5-S until I discovered the flavor of dripping. Once you get used to it it really doesn't take long to build a coil. I also happen to be a gadget freak and enjoy building coils. So it's a win/win for me. And I vape about 20ml of juice a day.

 

[tOSU]

I received my Aspire Atlantis and sub-ohm Aspire battery today, and tried it out with some 6mb CLS from Nicoticket.
WHOA. At least 2x the vapor production of my Aspire Nautilus on an MVP2 using the same liquid.
Not sure if I'm getting better flavor, though. In fact, since I'm drawing directly into my lungs, I feel like I'm getting less flavor.

Other than potentially stepping down to a 3mg juice, any suggestions for my new rig for flavor production?

 

[Brettanomyces]

Phil Busardo mentioned the lack of flavor from the Atlantis in his review, it's a little surprising based on flavor with the Nautilus but I guess that's not what they were shooting for.

About the only thing I'm aware of that might improve flavor on that setup is to get a drip tip with a tighter draw that concentrates the flavor. Other than that you're looking at upgrading to something rebuildable like a Kayfun or Magma if you want to improve flavor over the Nautilus. I don't know much about the Kanger sub-ohm tank coming out, maybe it will be geared more towards flavor production.