801 atomizer oddity

[mikea]

Hey, Eastmall-persons: I have some semi-recently purchased 801 atomizers and manual batteries. I'm using an 801 even as we speak, and after even a very short 'pull' after pressing the button, an amber LED comes on (the normal LED color is blue) and flashes 5-6 seconds. There's only a small amount of vapor.

A moment later, same thing.

Earlier today, this same atomizer+battery combination was doing just fine.

What is that flashing amber bit? An automatic cutoff? Why is it cutting off only after about 1 second of 'draw'? The battery does not appear to have run out of power...

Thanks.

[Edit: then I changed to another atomizer that hadn't been in use for a while. Same thing happened. Might this battery be defective? It definitely isn't doing the thirty-nonstop-flashes number, indicating 'needs recharge']

 

[firhill]

If the battery isn't dead..then it's defective. Try recharging it and if same thing happens, then inform the supplier. Just make sure it's not the "cleaning" cycle that keeps kickin' in ...'cos it'll fry your atty(s) if it is firing it every time.

 

[mikea]

If the battery isn't dead..then it's defective. Try recharging it and if same thing happens, then inform the supplier. Just make sure it's not the "cleaning" cycle that keeps kickin' in ...'cos it'll fry your atty(s) if it is firing it every time.

Cleaning cycle? Could you say a bit more about that...I hadn't heard of it before.

Thanks.

(The vendor is Eastmall, b.t.w.)

 

[HaploVoss]

Every so many puffs... your batteries will do a 'cleaning cycle' - which is nothing more than your battery putting power to your atomizer for several seconds whether you are drawing on it or not.

It does this after you have finished taking a drag, every so many times to help 'burn off' excess juice, etc. -- to help clean the atty.

If the circuit in the battery is faulty, and it is doing this constantly... it will burn up your atty pretty quickly.

Take care,
- Hap

 

[Di]

Thank you hap,

I am always so pleased to see how the members
all rally to assist each other with help,
hints and tips, so we can all enjoy our hobby / habit
with more knowledge.

thanks to all our members who all try to help each other, is so nice to see.

 

[keyzygirl]

The 801s do that at the cutoff.It shouldnt happen that quickly,only if you draw on it to long.I think it flashes like 6 or 9 times.

 

[breakfastchef]

Auto cut-off after a few seconds is not normal. Auto cleaning cycles are programmed into auto batteries as described above by HaploVoss. Some batteries (usually auto batteries) have a cut-off function to prevent you from taking too many draws within a short period of time. All these cut-off functions are designed to protect the atomizer from damage from overheating.

Your specific description sounds like a defective battery. Read the manual or contact Eastmall about this.

 

[Di]

Auto cut-off after a few seconds is not normal. Auto cleaning cycles are programmed into auto batteries as described above by HaploVoss. Some batteries (usually auto batteries) have a cut-off function to prevent you from taking too many draws within a short period of time. All these cut-off functions are designed to protect the atomizer from damage from overheating.

Your specific description sounds like a defective battery. Read the manual or contact Eastmall about this.

Thanks breakfastchef for that excellent and well formulated answer for mikea,

I was in the process of searching for the definitive answer
for the Auto cleaning cycles, and Auto Cut Off,
you beat me to it....
as always -- the veteran vapers to the rescue.......

Thanks again, ----- much appreciated......

 

[Di]

hi mikea,

after checking your manual, as breakfastchef advised,

if you think you do have a defective battery,

use the "contact us" form,and provide us with the order number.

please remember the guys will be gone on holidays within the next 24 hours....

thank you,

 

[mikea]

Following this up ... ok, now a 2nd manual 801 battery has begun doing the same thing (I should have used "battery" in the original thread title -- not "atomizer!").

But since then, a friend of mine with a lot of vaping experience has said that earlier statements about auto-cutoff or an automatic cleaning cycle are not correct with respect to these manual 801 batteries. Repeat: these are manual-button batteries, not auto batteries. They do not have a cutoff that I know of -- I've never run into a cutoff with the manual ones, anyway (510s or 801s).

So I am wondering if something else is going on here. When I charge the first battery showing what I thought was the defect (described in the first post), the sudden cutoff followed by 6 quick LED flashes stopped happening.

In both cases, I think the batteries were nearly depleted and needed recharging.

DI: is there a way to check this out with the manufacturer? Can you find out if these 801 manual batteries behave as described earlier when they're almost but not quite out of power? IOW: is this some kind of "undocumented feature" rather than a defect?

If that is not the case then I'll go ahead and look up the order number, as you suggested earlier. The only thing is...returning two batteries to the site in China, for exchange, would be prohibitively expensive in terms of shipping costs, so I'm not sure what to do about this if they are in fact defective.

Thanks,
Mike

 

[HaploVoss]

All batteries on all models I currently own, manual or otherwise - do indeed cutoff quickly and start flashing for an extended period when they are in need of charging.

In one case - on a mini cig - the batteries have 2 colors - blue for when you are 'taking a drag' and green for when it reaches cutoff, is cleaning, or needs a recharge.

Sounds like from your further description on the matter that you just needed to let them get a good charge in first

Take care,
- Hap

 

[mikea]

All batteries on all models I currently own, manual or otherwise - do indeed cutoff quickly and start flashing for an extended period when they are in need of charging.

In my experience so far, when the battery is outta steam, vapor production stops completely and the LED flashes 30 times in a row. I see that with 801 auto and manual batteries, and with 510 batteries.

But what I've been seeing is that after some period of use, the newer 801 manual batteries that I got from Eastmall will flash only six times -- and after only about a 1-second draw. That would be characteristic of an auto battery that hit its cutoff point due to the user's having inhaled for too long. It is not characteristic of manual batteries in my experience -- until I started using these 801 manual batteries.

If it's some kind of cutoff, for it to happen following only a one-second draw is not right.

Sounds like from your further description on the matter that you just needed to let them get a good charge in first

Nope. These had been charged for a full eight hours before I first used them. I never use brand-new batteries without giving them a complete charge -- the exception being the Totally Wicked "mega batteries" for the 510, which come with at least a half-charge, and sometimes even a full charge. Those, I put into the charger and leave 'em there for about an hour after the charger's LED turns green. All other batteries, I give the full charge as recommended by the manufacturer.

 

[Di]

so all this flashing ------

after you have given the batteries a good charge it does not happen --

untill you have vaped them for quite a while and then it starts again --

is this correct ???????

 

[mikea]

so all this flashing ------

after you have given the batteries a good charge it does not happen --

untill you have vaped them for quite a while and then it starts again --

is this correct ???????

Yes. I could see this happening with an automatic battery that reached the cutoff point due to someone taking too long a drag. Of course depleted batteries' LEDs flash 30 times. But for a manual battery to apparently reach a cutoff state after only about a 1-sec. draw, followed by 6 LED flashes (and no more power being delivered for a little while) seemed like a malfunction...

... unless it's actually a feature of this kind of battery, where it's telling you: "I'm about to run out of power."

So there's the question: is this a feature that just isn't obvious, or is it a malfunction? Of course, batteries ordered by themselves don't come with any instructions that might explain this. Are there 801 kits with manual batteries that come from the same manufacturer? If so, do those instruction manuals mention anything about this?

Thanks,
Mike

 

[boxhead]

i believe the cut off serves a few purposes, 1st is to tell you that you are hitting it to much and your nicoteen is heading to overdose levels, ( they never thought we use this with some mg per liter juice at zero ) then there is the cut off for atty melt down (which may be the same as my #1) it goes on to battery low indication and the bad/good atty cleaning cycle...

reading my info booklets from different e-cigs and different e-cig suppliers months after using the e-cigs i saw that some will give the flash for over use and really not work for the few minutes booklet states ( same suppliers batterys act differently, 6 901 batterys at full warenty, five multipac flash at over draw but will keep on lighting up, 3 of them have not done a cleaning cycle yet, two will hit the cutoff and wont work for a couple of minutes. 801`s of the two i have, 1 will stop at over draw for 1 minute, the other never has gone on to cleaning cycle)

malfunction in any case is 1 second draw and flashes, of course right off the charger doing that, should be a ( if new ) warrentee issue, ( on a battery that has been used, dropped, vaped well, time for a new one 1 901 battery of mine is trying to do this, got it in may. i do a dip in alcohol 90%, then canned air, gets it going for a time, 1 801 got some green stuff around the threads and i got afraid of it, kinabaloo made some commits on it and i got less afraid and just cleaned it too,

ahhh! i just noticed i am in a suppliers sub thread sorry dikerry :0,

 

[mikea]

>i believe the cut off serves a few purposes, 1st is to tell you that you are
>hitting it to much and your nicoteen is heading to overdose levels

I can't imagine that batteries have any idea how much nicotine you're getting, let alone what an overdose level is. For all the battery "knows," you're vaping e-liquid containing no nicotine at all.

What I've been talking about is a cutoff + 6 LED flashes occurring after only a one-second draw. It's hardly enough time either to overheat an atomizer or deliver a killer dose of nicotine.

>is the cut off for atty melt down (which may be the same as my #1) it goes
>on to battery low indication and the bad/good atty cleaning cycle...

Unless I see this documented I find it hard to believe that manual batteries have auto cleaning cycles. I have never once seen this with a 510 battery. If someone has information from the manufacturer of Eastmall's manual 801 batteries, saying these 801 batteries periodically kick into an automatically launched cleaning cycle following a manual button press, I hope they will present it.

How could a period of time during which the LED flashes six times -- and the atomizer does not activate -- possibly be a cleaning cycle?

>malfunction in any case is 1 second draw and flashes, of course right off
>the charger doing that, should be a ( if new ) warrentee issue

As noted in a previous message, this does not happen following a full charge.

What I'm hoping Di can confirm is whether this particular 801 manual battery was designed to do the quick cutoff and 6 LED flashes to warn the user when they are almost discharged. If they did not design the battery that way, then what could it be other than a defect?