A bigger concern

[Calaban]

I'm probably over-reacting, but my take is that as long as our e-cigs are not taken away from us, I don't care if Ruyan has a monopoly.

I'm sure I'm missing a large part of the issue, or many parts. But these things have, for the time being, given me at least a perceived 'new lease' on life. It may sound pathetic....maybe it IS pathetic, but even after just one week I can't imagine life without them.

So if they are not banned outright, and Ruyan (or possibly some US pharm company) gets a monopoly on them, so be it. As long as I can still vape *somehow* I think I'll be happy. Just please don't take them away from me (us).....

Jeez....I just realized....I'm obsessed with these things!

Do you folks agree, or am I missing something here?

-Cal

 

[Cymri]

the problem is that if they go into FDA testing it's going to be years before they hit the market again.

The other big problem is that these devices seem only to be made in China and therefore can be (and have been getting) stopped in customs by the FDA.

What I am about to do is buy one those ecigars that uses a normal rechargeable battery so that I don't have to depend on a steady supply of specially made batteries coming from China. I guess I will have to get several extra atomizers as well or figure out if I can make em with nichrome.

As for eliquid it seems quite a few folks here are delving into making it so I believe it will be easier to get a hold of than the specialty hardware coming from China.

I and many many others feel exactly the same Calaban!!

 

[D245064j]

check these out
pharmacylink.co.uk
chemist.net
chemistdirect.co.uk
pharmacy2u.co.uk

all stock nicocig

 

[D245064j]

also so do Unichem and lexon according to there website and in there blog is there report from new zeland

 

[surbitonPete]

Perhaps the economy is taking up too much of every bodies time.....because I am amazed about how quiet all the usual suspects are being about e-cigs over here in the uk.

 

[e-pipeman]

Perhaps the economy is taking up too much of every bodies time.....because I am amazed about how quiet all the usual suspects are being about e-cigs over here in the uk.

That can be a good thing, Pete. The longer we have to gain acceptance in the real world, the better!

 

[hedgehog]

Has anybody actually seen them in Boots? Don't seem to be stocked in my local Boots, that I have noticed at least.

 

[surbitonPete]

That can be a good thing, Pete. The longer we have to gain acceptance in the real world, the better!

Well I sure can't believe that all the 'ban it' brigade are quietly saying to themselves 'e-cigs must be a much safer alternative to smoking tobacco, so I won't bother to try and get that banned'....there just isn't that much common sense in this country........the silence is almost spooky.

 

[LuckySevens4U]

Do you know what a MESS it would be to have an e ciggy as a prescription regarding PARTS alone??????? LOL

 

[shakey ceasefire]

It seems like one could still get an i-inhale or similar product if the worst happens. That leaves the juice to be concerned about. From all I've read here, it seems like this could be made by extraction from tobacco or patches.

The fact that we may have to order stuff from dodgy foreign websites, when you think about it, actually doesn't change much about the current situation.

The above, and the fact that juice and parts all have a shelf life, are the reasons why I'm not stockpiling. That being said, I agree that it's highly likely that the gov't will try to make some aspect of this illegal. In which case, a black market will spring up before you can say "dr. sanjay gupta". When all this will go down ... who knows? Hopefully the feds are too busy with other stuff at the moment.

Maybe if I was smart I would learn how to make 36mg juice from scratch. I'm sure I'd have plenty of customers by the time it became illegal.

Just some thoughts...

 

[Kitabz]

It seems like one could still get an i-inhale or similar product if the worst happens. That leaves the juice to be concerned about. From all I've read here, it seems like this could be made by extraction from tobacco or patches.

Yup, although I'm thinking that the microtabs (2mg per tab) and/or nasal inhaler (10mg per ml) might be easier/safer to use albeit relatively expensive. Mind you, rather than faff around with all that lark, I'm just as likely to use VG for vaping (nil nicotine) alongside these NRTs. I'm now at the point where I don't think I'll go back to analogs if/when e-cigs and/or e-juice become illegal.

The above, and the fact that juice and parts all have a shelf life, are the reasons why I'm not stockpiling.

It's so tempting to order 1 litre of 36mg and 100 atomisers but it's impossible to predict what might happen. e-liquid is good for about 2 years but I have no idea if it loses its potency and/or interacts with PG/VG over time. Atomisers obviously don't degrade with time but what if some new better/safer atomising technology comes along in the meantime. But what happens when said stockpile does eventually run out, as it eventually must...

I'm edging towards enjoying it whilst it lasts and having a reasonable stockpile (3-6 months) so that there isn't a cut-off shock.

 

[shakey ceasefire]

It's so tempting to order 1 litre of 36mg and 100 atomisers but it's impossible to predict what might happen. e-liquid is good for about 2 years but I have no idea if it loses its potency and/or interacts with PG/VG over time. Atomisers obviously don't degrade with time but what if some new better/safer atomising technology comes along in the meantime. But what happens when said stockpile does eventually run out, as it eventually must...

This is a good point. How dumb would I feel if I blew 500 bucks on atomizers, and then they came out with a superior, reliable design? I'd then have a $500 pile of obsolete junk.

Also, I smoked for 20 years. I've vaped for 5 weeks. I don't smoke anymore. Quitting vaping would not be nearly as huge a change, I've already quit the extra stuff they put in analogs to make them more addictive. Nicotine isn't as addictive by itself, from what I understand. Anyway: quit EVERYTHING? Maybe. Not ruling it out as a sane alternative.

In any case, all this stockpiling frenzy is an unnecessary pain in the ..., because now everyone in the US is all sold out of everything.

My 2¢.

 

[CONCRETE RIVER]

It would be very nice to just walk into a store & just purchase my ecig. So I guess I'm a little jealous.

i did....in mississippi.

 

[Kitabz]

Also, I smoked for 20 years. I've vaped for 5 weeks. I don't smoke anymore. Quitting vaping would not be nearly as huge a change, I've already quit the extra stuff they put in analogs to make them more addictive. Nicotine isn't as addictive by itself, from what I understand. Anyway: quit EVERYTHING? Maybe. Not ruling it out as a sane alternative.

Yes, I'm thinking along the same lines.

I'm not convinced that I'll ever get off nicotine but I'm fairly sure that I'm off the cigarettes. (You can tell by my lack of certainty that I'm not prepared to commit to anything - this is a consequence of having failed to stop so many times before!)

I, like many people on here I suspect, see these devices as miracles after so many failed attempts to stop and it's easy to get caught up in all the FDA/media/whatever hysteria that they might be banned overnight. I'm trying to resist that. Whatever happens, I know that I can live without analogs one way or the other. Nicotine on the other hand...

I just wish that just one of the official NRTs was moderately appealing - they're all awful (IMHO) for one reason or another. Shame really. I used to think to myself "how difficult can it be to make an NRT that is tolerable - preferably enjoyable", e.g., boiled sweets or something (I don't like gum BTW).