A few noob questions

[milo]

I smoke about a pack a day and my wife smokes multiple packs per day (atleast lets several packs burn up a day). We saw a local news clip on e cigarettes and became interested, especially when we found that they were sold locally in the mall where we could get a hands on try before we buy.

After listening to the operator tell us all the features, we bought 2 starter kits from the smokeeverywhere kiosk for $135 each and went home. My wife being a chain smoker, tried to get off the cigarettes right away and just use the e cig. She began having problems with it and called the kiosk and spoke to another sales person. She was advised that it had not been explained to her properly when it was bought and that she could not just start using this and stop smoking the real cigs. She was also told that 4 puffs was the equivalent to a normal cig and that was all she was suppose to take from their e cig and it had a chip built in that would stop it if she tried to smoke it too much.

It was our impression that they could be puffed on like a normal cigarette, which would be the psychological effect that we wanted. After she explained to me that we weren't suppose to take more than 4 puffs and put it down, and then go back to the real cigs. I really don't like the thing any more. It doesn't hold the flavor very well and is so hard to puff on.

Is this how your e cigs are used or can you puff on them more like a regular cigarette? These also seem hard to puff on with little vapor in comparison of a normal cig.

Unfortunately, they do have the no refund sign up so I know we are stuck with them and after just spending over $300 bucks in equipment and supplies we can't just run out and buy something else right away. I found this forum and decided to see how you guys use yours and get some opinions on what to replace them with if they are going to work the way that we wanted

 

[jamie]

Sorry you were taken by the mall folks. Their comments are excuses for their high-priced low-quality product. A good ecig isn't hard to puff on. The 4 puff thing is wack ALTHOUGH it's true most of us carry more than one ecig at a time because when an atomizer warms up it's good to let it cool off, it lasts longer that way.

Many new folks ask for recommendations, you will find many many threads with those answers here in the New Members forum. Please read the stickies, watch some review videos, etc.

 

[LuckySevens4U]

Dude, you got ripped off by the mall folks. I did my research and bought a DSE 901 and I LOVE the dang thing. I'm going on my 5th day tomorrow without a real ciggy in 20 years. I smoked a pack a day. These things are amazing! I paid $50. You got ripped off with junk, sorry. You came to the right place to learn and for support though and I encourage you not to give up!

 

[chokmah]

Well I am sorry you were taken by the mall folks.. Now with that being said, e-cig smoking is far different that smaking a reg. cigarette. E-cig smoking is kinda like drinking a milkshake through a straw drag as it needs to be slow and longer than a cigarette.. (We call them analogs btw).. There are plenty of suppliers here and most offer great service. I would not give up but be aware these are not quiting cessations although many have had wonderful results. There are many who still smoke but have just cut down while using the e-cig and whatever is good for you is fine. Surf the threads here, watch videos and dont be shy about asking questions many will jump to answer them best they can...

Hope we can help you and your wife out some..

 

[asidrave]

milo...dont sweat it.....lesson learned....you found us now

work with what you have...do a search here about the smokeeverywhere ecig....and read what members here are doing to work with what they have with that cig

watch as many video reviews of different e-cigs as you can

when you are ready to move on to a better e-cig...check out the suppliers section of the forums...you will find a supplier you will be happy with im sure

 

[MAD 69]

It amazes me how many people are still getting ripped of by the smokingnowhere people. The first thing you do these days is go on the web and research a product your interested in. This has been going on for almost a year....

 

[asidrave]

i bet if i were to see a smoking everywhere kiosk.....before i found out about these forums...i would think i saw the holy grail (insert church pipe organ ).

yet...with everything i do...i always research before i buy.....

from what ive read about smoking everywhere in these forums they straight up lie to you...to sell you a mediocre product that will probably make many not believe that a product such as an e-cig actually can help

 

[Fedor]

I found this forum and decided to see how you guys use yours and get some opinions on what to replace them with if they are going to work the way that we wanted

Try the M401. It does have a cut off but only when you inhale 7 seconds. It packs a punch and would probably be the best bet to satisfy you. If the carts don't offer you much, get some liquid from a supplier nearest to you.

Its only a fraction of your smokingeverywhere investment if you buy them at www.absolutelyecigs.com

For a little less than $160(including shipping), you can probably get:

2 Starter Kits

4 Atomisers

2 batteries

10 Carts

With this, you can assemble 6 complete ecigs for you and your wife. Compare that with only 2 ecigs and 2 spare batteries with your smoking everywhere purchase. You only pay half of what you paid but you get 3 times more. Makes sense?

The downside is you got to wait for a week for it to arrive from China. Pay a little more for local suppliers if you want them fast.

 

[lordmage]

the M401 is a good choice. also i would suggest the DSE-901 or RN4075 which is an overclock 901. if you like and yes have more then one if they get hot and stay hot they burn out faster also review good clean and care practices as well as safe juice handle steps. find out your actual nic requirement go for around that or start high and step your way down. also get jucie as strong as you can and cut the strgth with VG or PG read more on the forum about that.

 

[ejfan1977]

milo...dont sweat it.....lesson learned....you found us now

work with what you have...do a search here about the smokeeverywhere ecig....and read what members here are doing to work with what they have with that cig

watch as many video reviews of different e-cigs as you can

when you are ready to move on to a better e-cig...check out the suppliers section of the forums...you will find a supplier you will be happy with im sure

Milo, that is truly unfortunate. But don't give up, just read up here on the forum and try again.

 

[calligal]

I don't have enough posts to post a link but after researching the internet websites and other forums other than this one (which I think is the best) I found vaporcig(dot)com. Atomizer has lifetime and battery 6 month guarantees. Customer service via email has been excellant. Some initial problems with batteries but after promptly answering my ?'s via email my order was placed and arrived on schedule. Product had obviously been tested and though not always the same as a reg cig without really trying my 1st day cut my analog intake by half and my second day as cut that in half.
Orig- 14-20 per analog. 1st day 7 analog- 2nd day 4 analog (a lot of vaping but also have cut ejuice down).
There is work to this. By learning how to drip/top off/clean/change/replace batteries/using passthrough/ to making your own e-juice will make her changeover successful.

 

[Fedor]

Atomisers are consumables. Batteries lasts somewhat longer, no matter what model of ecigs. Some lasts longer and some are just terrible. I view warranties very very lightly.

The important thing is for parts to be cheap. If i can buy a new atomiser at $8 a piece, why would i want to go through the trouble of sending it back for warranty and then patiently waiting for it to be returned? Not to mention having the whole hassle of communicating with the supplier, packing the atomiser and sending via the post office. You end up spending more or less the same amount of money, plus all the time spent.

Some suppliers know this. They know that not all customers will make them honor the warranties due to the hassle involved. The minority is worthwhile to serve, while they make crazy profit out of the cigs sold. When warranties become too much of a liability, you will see them show their true colors. Examples are everywhere. We have tons of cases on the forum of Njoy customers not getting their warranties honored, no replies to emails, false promises etc. Smokingeverywhere has begun to display non refundable signs at kiosks. We have had mixed responses Janty's customers (some get it, some don't). These ppl all started out with big promises but it all boils down to the dollars and cents at the end of the day.

I don't see any point of buying an ecig with $100-$150....when they cost most suppliers no more than $25. Anything above $50 would be a ripoff.

Warranties are almost always marked up in the price. Guarantees against DOAs are good enough for me. I prefer suppliers to keep the prices low. Besides, lifetime warranty are not realistic, especially if you are not the manufacturer. How do you know if a certain model will not be discontinued?

Just my thoughts...

 

[Stike]

I have a SE 3.0 gold its not that bad.It took me a week to figure out how to get good vapor.First the carts only last about 30 puffs tops.I smoked mine dry and killed atomizer,but they do replace them 1yr.Second I found you need liquid to top the carts off ever 25 to 30 puffs,also the key is to keep the atomizer wet.Keeping the atomizer wet take trial and error you don,t want it too wet,or too dry.I found that with this method it smokes just as good as my 901 from T Wicked.Play around with it they really are not that bad.GOOD LUCK

ps been 21 days of NEWPORTS

 

[yvilla]

Fedor, you are absolutely correct! Every time I see people go on about a supposedly lifetime warranty on an atomizer, after paying $100 or $150 for an ecig, I cringe!

Unfortunately, they will learn eventually.

I'm buying atomizers in bulk for approximately $5 a piece, and have great peace of mind.

 

[Fedor]

Fedor, you are absolutely correct! Every time I see people go on about a supposedly lifetime warranty on an atomizer, after paying $100 or $150 for an ecig, I cringe!

Unfortunately, they will learn eventually.

I'm buying atomizers in bulk for approximately $5 a piece, and have great peace of mind.

Glad to know i'm not the only one.

 

[calligal]

Hi Fedor,


What you posted earlier about paying only $160 for 6 complete e-cigs sounds like a better deal than what I got. Though for a newbie the time it would take to get here would have been that much longer I was on analogs and spending my money on them. Did you get the passthrough? I want one of those.

I agree lifetime warranties are not often feasible. Shops close and returning products can be a hassle yet I still found it to be a selling point to me as the vendor is working directly with the factory to create a superior atomizer that will last and not be a consumable.

Considering the investment I was putting into the product I did want the option to return if there were any problems within the first few months. (An actual LIFETIME is not my expectation) I tracked the review forum where the vendor was very active in addressing all issues and questions. However, if I do have to send one back then we are both in California so expense and turn around time is not much.

An email, dropping off a padded envelope at the post office cannot be that much more of a hassle than ordering, unpacking, storing and disposing of bulk amounts of atomizers. Also, since you buy in bulk could you give me an idea of what you spend on atomizers a month and how long each on lasts? As my product is so new I suppose only time will tell me the actual cost.

My best hope is that my $100 investment buys me 2 atomizers and 2 batteries which all last me at least six months (even if I have to do one or 2 returns using my Lifetime warranty)

However since my e-cig is newly developed yvilla may well have the right to cringe and my investment will turn out not to be the bargain I had hoped for. Which is why I have absolutelyecig bookmarked.

 

[yvilla]

Calligal, please don't think that I was ridiculing you - I cringe only for new ecig buyers who may have unecessarily spent overmuch on a device that I'm pretty sure is really of no better quality than the ones that can be bought many places at retail for ~$50.00, and at bulk from China for ~$20.00.

I cringe even more for poor unsuspecting buyers of crap like Smoking Everywhere sold at the malls; they pay as much as $150.00 for devices that are much worse than a generic $50.00 kit.

As far as how long my bulk bought atomizers last, well it's a crap shoot. Some have lasted at full quality for a month or two, others get hard to draw through and diminish in vapor production within days. Some can be brought back to better vapor production through cleaning, etc, some cannot. But, they are in fact the exact same classic penstyle atomizers that everyone else buys at retail for $10.00 or even much more.

 

[nicosnack]

Don't feel badly. My first purchase was an impulsive mistake because I too thought I found the holy grail! But now, going on four months, I'm happy. I have a couple models and backup parts and lots of juice. Vape On!

 

[Fedor]

What you posted earlier about paying only $160 for 6 complete e-cigs sounds like a better deal than what I got. Though for a newbie the time it would take to get here would have been that much longer I was on analogs and spending my money on them. Did you get the passthrough? I want one of those.
They don't carry the passthroughs. To wait a week to get a super sweet deal is worthwhile for me. However, i did recommend to go for a local supplier if you want it fast. Pay a little more with someone like Puresmoker. Just not someone who sells their ecigs at $100! With the Mseries, i have found that the battery life is ggood enough for me to not need a passthrough. I prefer wireless most of the time. 2 batteries can last through a day.

I still found it to be a selling point to me as the vendor is working directly with the factory to create a superior atomizer that will last and not be a consumable.
Prove it. If the manufacturer is able to come out with a superior atomiser that is NOT a consumable, why only use it for this particular brand? Why not use it throughout its products? They can obviously lower costs by producing in bulk. Don't be taken in by the words of the supplier. They are resellers, thats all.

Considering the investment I was putting into the product I did want the option to return if there were any problems within the first few months. (An actual LIFETIME is not my expectation) I tracked the review forum where the vendor was very active in addressing all issues and questions. However, if I do have to send one back then we are both in California so expense and turn around time is not much.

An email, dropping off a padded envelope at the post office cannot be that much more of a hassle than ordering, unpacking, storing and disposing of bulk amounts of atomizers. Also, since you buy in bulk could you give me an idea of what you spend on atomizers a month and how long each on lasts? As my product is so new I suppose only time will tell me the actual cost.
Lets see. You buy a starter kit at $100 and i buy mine at $40. With the additional $60 bucks i save, i can get another 7-8 atomisers. Mind you that i am comparing the Mseries with the $100 ecigs, where an M401 will easily crush/ outperform these overpriced ecigs. A DSE901 atomiser can cost less.

My atomiser has not given me any problems in more than 3 months. Lets assume for argument sake that i am lucky. Lets just give the atomisers a 2 months lifespan. 9 atomisers will still easily last me for 18 months. Even if the one with warranty is superior (which i highly doubt it) and lasts 3 months, you will still have to return it 6 times during the course of 18 months! I don't know what your postage costs is but you will most likely have to send by something that is trackable, since your supplier will not be responsible for anything lost in mail. A mere $5 will add up to $30 when you return it 6 times in 18 months, assuming you have that patience to do it 6 times.

There is no hassle. I just throw an old one away and pop in a new one. No need to contact any suppliers and be at their mercy. No need to pack anything and pay for any postage. No need to risk anything getting lost in post. No need to wait for the supplier to process it and return to me (if they will). You get the point.

My best hope is that my $100 investment buys me 2 atomizers and 2 batteries which all last me at least six months (even if I have to do one or 2 returns using my Lifetime warranty)
6 months? Don't bet on it.

However since my e-cig is newly developed yvilla may well have the right to cringe and my investment will turn out not to be the bargain I had hoped for. Which is why I have absolutelyecig bookmarked. --> Good Choice!

 

[calligal]

I just have to love you Fedor. You addressed everything in my post most excellently.
You know darn well I can't prove anything as I stated in my post that I was taking a risk on this new vendor and that time would tell. That doesn't mean the product won't turn out to be all the vendor claims it will be. Perhaps my vendor entered into an inclusive contract or the atomizer will become mass produced once proven to be successful. I don't have all the answers nor do I pretend to.
1 kit from your vendor at $40.00 included 1 atomizer, 2 batteries, 1 charger and 5 carts, add an atomizer at $8.00 plus $15.00 shipping comes to $ 63.00. (This is where you gave excellent advice on ordering more than just one kit as the shipping charge doesn't change) I received 2 atomizers, 2 batteries, 5 carts and 30ml of e-liquid which I received in 2 days for $107.00 including tax and shipping.
Now factor in additional costs. 1 week of analog smoking costs me approx $40 which means I saved at least $20 dollars from the get go as well as another in ordering e-liquid which including shipping is at least $15. Deduct that $35 from my costs and add it to your costs and you will find that I did not do so badly. I ended up paying $72 while if only ordering 1 kit and an extra atomizer from your supplier would have cost me $98.
And while the company offers 8 month warranty on all products I believe it would be easier,cheaper and faster for me to return my product to someone who does business in my own state.
In all I made a sound investment for my 1st e-cig purchase but I am thankful for your insight as if your doomsday prediction comes true I will have to redo the math and decide if giving up on my vendor and going with yours is a more viable option.
yvilla, I admit that I did take a mild offense as I felt my intelligence was being questioned. You did not mention your supplier which I take into consideration as one of my concerns was the cost factor after reading a post about how much people had spent searching for the perfect e-cig. Funny you would think a local kiosk would make it easy but from the posts I have read they are a nightmare to deal with.
The the point of this forum for all of us to express our feelings and experiences.
Both you and Fedor have more experience than myself and I appreciate your comments and insight.