A few questions about super minis

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Tim Robbins

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Hi, I am trying to pick up a few super minis and have a couple of questions that I hope you can help me with.

Are the DSE-102, DSE-201 and DSE-103 all super minis?
If so, what is the difference and are the parts compatible?
What parts are compatible across the DSE range of super minis and say the Rn4081 and M403?
Is the 103 a combined atomiser and battery?
Should I even be getting a super min? :)
 

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Should I even be getting a super min? :)

If you want a good vaping experience then the answer is NO!

Super mini = 2-3 hours of battery life, auto switches that break easily and $15 to replace the battery.

Manual battery devices such as the Screwdriver, Prodigy, GG, Janty Stick, LV/Zi Moshi give you 7-8 hours of battery life, no auto switch to get gummed up and break easily and batteries that cost $2. Plus you get consistent throat hit and performance.

I suggest continuing to do research:

Best liked PV poll:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-discussion/14342-whats-your-favorite-pv.html


Screwdriver: ecigscrewdriver.com
Prodigy: PureSmoker.com - Your #1 Source For PV's, Parts, & Accessories!

GG: THE GG
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Hi, I am trying to pick up a few super minis and have a couple of questions that I hope you can help me with.

Are the DSE-102, DSE-201 and DSE-103 all super minis?
If so, what is the difference and are the parts compatible?
What parts are compatible across the DSE range of super minis and say the Rn4081 and M403?
Is the 103 a combined atomiser and battery?
Should I even be getting a super min? :)

Tim, the DSE103 and the RN4081 parts are pretty interchangeable. I think the only difference in the 102 and 103 is length. All of the above are 3 parters, battery, atomizer, and cartridge. The M403 parts only work with another M series 401, 402, 403. All of these are the most like a real cigarette in looks and size and most of us seem to have started that way and moved on. I have gone on to the 901, 510, and vk. Do still use the others on occasion. The drawback to the superminis is shorter battery life and more refills.
Good luck with your vaping:thumb:
 

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Should I even be getting a super min? :)[/quote]

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Let me put a question to your question --

What kind of car do you drive? A sub-compact, a mid-size or a truck?

That's pretty much the analogy between minis and the big boys. Minis will get you where you need to go but require more pit stops (batts and carts). If I had to do it all over again I would have skipped the "look-like/feel-like" an analog phase and went straight for a bigger device.

Rule of thumb -- the more it resembles an analog, the worse the performance/endurance. I carry a mini as an emergency back-up, that's all.
 

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Should I even be getting a super min? :)

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Let me put a question to your question --

What kind of car do you drive? A sub-compact, a mid-size or a truck?

That's pretty much the analogy between minis and the big boys. Minis will get you where you need to go but require more pit stops (batts and carts). If I had to do it all over again I would have skipped the "look-like/feel-like" an analog phase and went straight for a bigger device.

Rule of thumb -- the more it resembles an analog, the worse the performance/endurance. I carry a mini as an emergency back-up, that's all.[/quote]

Good comparison and good advice.:thumb:
 
I think what alot of the "vets" are missing is the fact that the new people are looking for something as close to a real cigarette as possible. As good as those manual battery e cigs are, they are miles from feeling like a real cig. So again, they may be good for those of you who have been vaping for ages, but for us who are just starting out, they are crap. Cant be anymore straight forward than that. So to answer the OPs question.. Go for a super mini and transition into something else later.. I mean, the whole point of this is to get off analog smokes right?.. If its some funky box with a switch you have to hold down, well I really dont see too many new comers sticking with it. Then again, this is my opinion and as we all know, everyone is different.. One more thing.. For the new people, would it be better to dish out a ton of cash for something you may hate and never use again? Or would it be better to buy something cheap to try out and see if you even want to make the change?.. I leave that to you all to decide.

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One more thing. Again just my opinion, but this analogy of cars/trucks is ridiculous. Unless you live on a farm or are in construction, a truck is a complete waste. For us city dwellers a sub compact is the only way to go. I also dont know where you buy your vehicles, but Ive had way more expense with trucks than Ive had with smaller cars. Again, just me, but Im sure others would agree.
 
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+1 Halfzipp's comments.

I haven't invested in a Screwdriver yet, but I have used the RN4081, DSE901, M401 and built myself a box mod. All I can say is that out of all those, the RN4081 or M401 are the ones that I take to work and back everyday, just like my impractical, small, fun, economical Miata.
 

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Well, Halfzipped I will agree with one thing you said and that is if you are not sure you want to really vape then don't buy an expensive device. But that is part of the problem, also. Because one of worst PV's is the Smoke Everywhere and it costs $150! I would suggest getting a disposable for about $24 to see if there is anything about vaping you like.

But other than that, if appearance is more important to you that functionality, then by all means get the smallest PV you can find. Since you only joined this forum in May, you probably haven't been able to see the hundreds of post from frustrated newbies like the rest of us. They have something in common. Most of them have the super small PV's that look like the real thing and vape like crap. I wonder how many who tried vaping with those super small models never came on here and just gave up thinking that PV's are all crap?

So those of us who have been around would like to lessen newbie's frustration and steer them towards PV's that actually work. But again, if appearance is your number one objective, then you should get the smaller PV's.
 
Ive actually read quite a few posts regarding the issues with super minis and watched videos regarding them as well (although they dont really seem significant to me).. Ive also read the posts regarding the extremely quick, easy and inexpensive mods you can do to fix these issues, like poor vapor production. For example, putting a piece of tape over one of the holes, or putting a couple drops of glycerin in your carts.

In all fairness though, I know I shouldnt assume people do research and should rather assume that everyone just wants something to work perfect out of the box, without having to think at all.. unfortunately, Im one of those people that cant deal with anything "stock", so am always tinkering with whatever 'device' I have.

You did make a good point though, I am definitely a noob to this stuff and so I suppose what I say Should be taken with a grain of salt, if you will. )
 

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Halfzipped, there is nothing wrong with being new and your opinion is valid. And I will be the first one to buy and rave about a super mini when some one makes one that has a battery that last 7-8 hours, has consistent throat hit every time, that you never have to worry about liquid gumming up the battery/switch and batteries that you can buy anywhere for $2. If you know of one that does all of that I would love to get one.
 

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I think what alot of the "vets" are missing is the fact that the new people are looking for something as close to a real cigarette as possible.

I agree. Even after 3 months of no analogs and using an RN4081 exclusively, I'm still not quite ready to take the plunge into a Janty Stick (or Screwdriver, etc.). Yesterday I was this close to ordering a Janty Stick, but ended up ordering more RN4081 batteries, atties, and passthroughs instead.

I think at some point I probably will be ready to take that plunge, but for now I'm very happy with what I have--and I like the shape/size/feel of the RN4081. Plenty of vapor, great taste, and I haven't lost a part yet.

Whatever works, right? And the reviews of the RN4081s (like Spikey's) are good. Convinced me, anyway.

:)
 
Halfzipped, there is nothing wrong with being new and your opinion is valid. And I will be the first one to buy and rave about a super mini when some one makes one that has a battery that last 7-8 hours, has consistent throat hit every time, that you never have to worry about liquid gumming up the battery/switch and batteries that you can buy anywhere for $2. If you know of one that does all of that I would love to get one.


Lol, that would definitely be sweet if there was any device like that. Hopefully one day there will be. =)

Btw, its Halfzipp, no 'ed' on the end.. I guess Zipp/Halfzipp isnt really a widely used term in the states but here in Canada we use it quite a bit. Usually when referring to quantities of certain substances.. Ive had the name since I was a kid and a bit (huge rather) of a pot head (way done with that stuff now btw and in no way condone smoking it, rather discourage it) but anyways, I was givin the name by some budies.. You may ask, "Why only Halfzipp?".. the answer was always, "Becuase I smoked the other half..." =P yea, teens do some stupid ****e sometimes, heh.

Anywho, VapeOn =)
 

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I think what alot of the "vets" are missing is the fact that the new people are looking for something as close to a real cigarette as possible. As good as those manual battery e cigs are, they are miles from feeling like a real cig. So again, they may be good for those of you who have been vaping for ages, but for us who are just starting out, they are crap. Cant be anymore straight forward than that. So to answer the OPs question.. Go for a super mini and transition into something else later.. I mean, the whole point of this is to get off analog smokes right?.. If its some funky box with a switch you have to hold down, well I really dont see too many new comers sticking with it. Then again, this is my opinion and as we all know, everyone is different.. One more thing.. For the new people, would it be better to dish out a ton of cash for something you may hate and never use again? Or would it be better to buy something cheap to try out and see if you even want to make the change?.. I leave that to you all to decide.

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One more thing. Again just my opinion, but this analogy of cars/trucks is ridiculous. Unless you live on a farm or are in construction, a truck is a complete waste. For us city dwellers a sub compact is the only way to go. I also dont know where you buy your vehicles, but Ive had way more expense with trucks than Ive had with smaller cars. Again, just me, but Im sure others would agree.

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You missed the point, halfzipp on a few fronts. <g>

First off, or maybe last, the analogy between *car to truck* and *super mini to the big boys* -- The implication is one of capacities and not of the mechanical nature or expense to repair a truck. WV2WIN clearly understood the analogy and looking back on what I wrote the context seems undeniably clear to me. Sorry if it wasn't clear to you.

Within the thread, there are a few who suggested the manual devices, this is true. That wouldn't be my suggestion to the OP. In fact, I didn't offer a model at all. If I did, however, I would have nudged the OP toward a penstyle in lieu of a mini. There are a few reasons for this --

-- there's no learning curve to speak of between smoking an analog and vaping on a penstyle other than size. And, everyone I know over the age of 18 is familiar with a bic pen. It's not exactly a foreign device. <g>

-- there is a frustration level with super minis. The batteries last just a couple of hours and the carts don't hold enough liquid. Dripping might overcome the cart issue but now we're moving even further away from the familiar method of smoking. It's extremely important that the new e-cig user doesn't get frustrated, IMHO. It's far too easy to lay a super mini down and light up an analog.

-- Buying a penstyle from jump street is not throwing money away. The 801, the 901 and even the 510 can be adapted to work with the JS, the SD and the Prodigy if and when the new e-cig user decides to move on -- which most of us do. It's never a bad thing to have extra attys.

-- although the size of a mini feels *right*, IMHO, the draw sure isn't. There are posters here who pop the outer cap off the mouthpiece to improve the draw. One poster even inhaled the damn thing and nearly choked.

-- I don't understand the added expense thing either. I bought a kit from ecigarettecigar that included 2 generic 801s for $55. And I bet there are even better prices out there.
 
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