A Flawed E-Cigarette Regulation

[Stosh]

The FDA's proposed regulation should not go forward in its current form, or it will undermine efforts to persuade smokers to switch to e-cigarettes and will endanger public health.

A Flawed E-Cigarette Regulation — The American Magazine

A nice article to boost morale after the FDA comments closed, enjoy....

 

[dragonpuff]

A Flawed E-Cigarette Regulation — The American Magazine

A nice article to boost morale after the FDA comments closed, enjoy....

Superb! A wonderful article indeed!

 

[Just Me]

We need more like that!

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

Usually I'm in a drunken stupor after being in the media forum by now. More stuff like this and I'll stay sober until at least 9 PM.

 

[Katya]

Very nice. Thanks Stosh for sharing!

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

Sally Satel!

This is the good Doctor's 3rd major piece on vaping, and continues to demonstrate her brilliance, adherence to facts, articulate nature, and clear thinking (and she's awfully cute to boot! )

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...why-e-cigarettes-good-thing.html#post12948586

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...bce704-8d18-11e3-98ab-fe5228217bd1_story.html

Great catch there Stosh!

 

[Kent C]

Good but.... I wish these 'pro-ecig' people would stop with this crap that ANTZ parrot all the time:

"This does not mean that e-cigarettes are completely safe. The risk, if any, of long-term inhalation of propylene glycol, the common substrate used for the nicotine solution in e-cigarettes, is not yet known because the devices have simply not been around long enough."

There are industry studies of PG/VG factory workers who inhale the stuff all workday long and no effects have been shown to exist. Just because 'the devices' haven't been around, doesn't mean the substances used in the devices, haven't!

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

Good but.... I wish thrse 'pro-ecig' people would stop with this crap that ANTZ parrot all the time:

"This does not mean that e-cigarettes are completely safe. The risk, if any, of long-term inhalation of propylene glycol, the common substrate used for the nicotine solution in e-cigarettes, is not yet known because the devices have simply not been around long enough."

There are industry studies of PG/VG factory workers who inhale the stuff all workday long and no effects have been shown to exist. Just because 'the devices' haven't been around, doesn't mean the substances used in the devices, haven't!

Excellent point!

Pointing to some of the background on the research that been done on PG could be sent along via the editor (I don't see a comments function on the article)

 

[Kent C]

Excellent point!

Pointing to some of the background on the research that been done on PG could be sent along via the editor (I don't see a comments function on the article)

I used to have the links (no longer - scrubbed??) to a 1947 study done on factory workers and there have been about 3 or 4 follow up or similar studies. I would have to think that Dow Chem would have to have them.

 

[Uma]

Love the article, thanks for sharing!

 

[choochoogranny]

Now I'm totally confused about addiction to nicotine after reading Sally Satel's article which says it's addictive. Then I read the following published article on a study using nicotine patches without addiction to help those with Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and maybe for "chemo brain."

tampabay....com/news/health/study-finds-nicotine-safe-helps-in-alzheimers-parkinsons/2175396

 

[dragonpuff]

Now I'm totally confused about addiction to nicotine after reading Sally Satel's article which says it's addictive. Then I read the following published article on a study using nicotine patches without addiction to help those with Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and maybe for "chemo brain."

tampabay....com/news/health/study-finds-nicotine-safe-helps-in-alzheimers-parkinsons/2175396

"Addiction" is very ill-defined, even now. In psychology they distinguish between "addiction" and "dependence," yet some claim that dependence is just another form of addiction, while others claim that all forms of addiction are just fulfilling a need of some kind and not addiction in the classic sense. I've gotten away from trying to figure out how to define addiction a long time ago.

I firmly believe that addiction by itself is not harmful, regardless of how you define it - what I think really matters is whether the benefits of using a substance outweigh the risks. If nicotine is improving your life, then does it really matter if you're addicted to it? Addiction only becomes a problem when it leads to more harm than good, as in the case of severe alcohol dependence. Nicotine addiction is only harmful when it drives someone to smoke all the time. When smoking is not required, the benefits of nicotine tend to outweigh the risks.

 

[DetraMental]

It's nice to finally read something positive concerning the ecig community and the FDA Deeming Regulations. Hopefully more like this will come out.

 

[sonicdsl]

I find these articles interesting on the topic of nicotine addiction/dependence:

Is Nicotine Addictive ?

Responding to, “but they are still *addicted*!!!” | Anti-THR Lies and related topics

The more complete response to

Does ANYONE have a valid definition of “addiction”? | Anti-THR Lies and related topics

 

[Stosh]

I've accepted that I'm addicted to nicotine along with caffeine. sirchia and capsicum in general, salty snacks, no-limit texas hold'em, scotch, bourbon, highly hopped IPA, dry stouts, red meat, fried foods, and a few others I can't think of off the top of my head.

Not figuring on giving up any of them anytime soon....

 

[dragonpuff]

I've accepted that I'm addicted to nicotine along with caffeine. sirchia and capsicum in general, salty snacks, no-limit texas hold'em, scotch, bourbon, highly hopped IPA, dry stouts, red meat, fried foods, and a few others I can't think of off the top of my head.

Not figuring on giving up any of them anytime soon....

Here here! In addition to nicotine I am also addicted to caffeine, sugar, anything that contains potatoes, the company of dogs, ECF, and currently the Game of Thrones marathon I'm in the middle of (hence my frequent absence as of late)

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

I've accepted that I'm addicted to nicotine along with caffeine. sirchia and capsicum in general, salty snacks, no-limit texas hold'em, scotch, bourbon, highly hopped IPA, dry stouts, red meat, fried foods, and a few others I can't think of off the top of my head.

Not figuring on giving up any of them anytime soon....

But otherwise you're nearly vegan I bet!

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

Now I'm totally confused about addiction to nicotine after reading Sally Satel's article which says it's addictive. Then I read the following published article on a study using nicotine patches without addiction to help those with Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and maybe for "chemo brain."

tampabay....com/news/health/study-finds-nicotine-safe-helps-in-alzheimers-parkinsons/2175396

As we've seen in recent conversations about the various FDA comments, there's rarely a time we'll see 100% agreement.

In this case, the message to the general public is acceptable, and for the majority, pretty solid.

As Kent noted, Sally's message could be improved with a better understanding of the history of testing with PG (back to the 40's I think?), and as you note, regarding the nicotine and the use of the word addiction.

Sidebar: nicotine has been a rather popular topic this weekend, and I've shared my personal opinion on the use of the term addict and Rolygate has weighed in with his wealth of information and analysis(!)

On the whole, the message, the presentation, and the likely audience, this is a positive one for us good guys!