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PeppermintPatty

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Can I pose a question to y'all, based on a story I saw on the ten o'clock news last night? We all know that e cigs are huge in the news. Some rep here in CA is trying to make it illegal to purchase e cigs or related equipment online (sigh). The biggest "issue" of the entire story though? That e cigs are a "gateway to regular cigs" for kids, yes we have all heard the stories. Curiously enough, nobody mentioned the idea that kids might try vaping and just stick with it. Is that so far fetched? Is that bad? Especially compared to some alternatives, namely the use of analogs?

Ok.....so I may have a unique view on this as a non-smoker but recreational vaper, so I will throw my opinion out and I am curious about the thoughts of rest of you. I personally disagree that e cigs are a reliable gateway to analogs. I think e cigs may simply be a gateway to more e cigs. I simply don't see them as a gateway to smoking for the majority of the young population. My reasoning? Speaking as someone with virgin lungs so-to-speak, vaping is much more pleasurable than smoking. It is tastier, easier on the throat and lungs, and yes, there is still the nicotine addiction pleasure factor (I personally vape 0mg, but lets be realistic). Why would someone pick up vaping, enjoy the flavors and probably the nicotine, and then switch to the analogs, which offer no yummy flavors, more expensive, more uncomfortable, more of a hassle overall with the smell, staining, etc. I just don't see it happening consistently. The vaping crowd is appearing more and more "cool" from what I can see, online and even in public. In fact, the story referred to a vaping cafe type place that some guy was wanting to open. In fact that is what everyone is freaking about. They do not want vaping to be "cool".

Personally, I see the possibility of a whole new generation of vapers, who never smoked analogs. Now.....if vaping were not an option, a great deal of those kids might have started smoking analogs instead, and we are fairly certian that vaping is gonna be less harmful to the body overall, so is that so horrid? Yep, an addiction to nicotine in all likelyhood, big whoop IMO, compared with a whole new generation of analog smokers. Vaping, if allowed to become mainstream, could literally change the direction of new "smokers" and have a very different outcome for the health of a whole generation of this nation. I am shocked and frankly ...... at the short sightedness of the ideas presented in the story I saw last night. We all know there is much more to this topic..... taxation, regulation, financial competition, but the "won't somebody pleeease think of the children?" battle cry is a smokescreen (pun intended). Frankly, I think if we were thinking of the children, we would encourage those adults who wish to do so, to vape on.
 

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They used to say "Mary Jane" (didn't know the real word was censored here?) was a gateway drug for children. I tried it it in high school, and never tried anything else. Hell, I never cared for it period as it just made my mouth dry, sleepy AF, and would make me wanna tear up every Costco free sample counter in sight.

Those same state representatives seem soooo worried about the children... think of the children! Just seems like our society is moving toward a "ban now, get scientific data later" attitude. We've all seen this before in history; it was call prohibition. How'd that work out, eh?
 

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If I saw a kid vapeing, I would question a few things.
1. the gear is expensive, where did he/she get the $$$ to buy it?
2. The gear is expensive, where are the parents and why are they not monetering their childrens purchases.
3. Nicotine products as far as I know are not for sale to those under 18, Who is suplying it to the kids?
4. With so many laws on the books in regards to analogs, how about we start enforcing those, rather than "shoot from the hip feel good" legislation for a product not proven harmfull yet helpfull to so many trying to kick the habit.

I am no conspiracy theory tinfoil hat wearing nut, but I do see our once great country falling into decline as an oppressed nanny state, with countless well bodied folks expecting handouts and crying foul when things dont go their way. I see our country bowing down to screaming nitwits and everybody worried that their opinion will hurt someone elses feelings. The government likes that as it makes us easier to control and manipulte. I am already a second class citizen living on Guam where we have no vote for president, and a congresswoman who has no vote in congress either.
 

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So vaping is cool,hmmm....I guess I can see how it would be. I'm an ex-smoker and I picked it up to kick a horrible habit so my views are/were set on that. It's only recently occurred to me that it's a trend for the younger generation to pick up on. It's technology. I know everyone told me I'd love Hookah's but I never even tried them since I wanted off tobacco period. I know alot of people like vaping because it mimics the flavor part of the flavored tobacco's found in smoking Hookah's. My thoughts are that if it weren't vaping then it'd be something else to worry about. Unfortunately it is vaping that is in the line of fire of government and we need to stand up for our right to vape.
 

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From the government's perspective, the "gateway for kids" argument is one that has worked for other things. If a car salesman has successfully sold used Ford Pintos to numerous people by telling them that they easily catch fire and when they do, they will have more friends because everyone will want to come to his BBQ, he is going to keep doing it. We do have a local B&M and I see a lot of 18-21 year olds there so it is popular.

If I had never smoked a cigarette and vaped and smelled someone smoking, I can assure you that I wouldn't want to try one but that is the beauty, it doesn't have to be logical to be effective. Plus, how can vapers effectively argue with it? It sucks
 

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how do online sales affect kids? If they want it they will get it. So are they going to ban kids from purchasing batteries, wire, cotton? Not that i would encourage anyone to start vaping that wasnt a smoker but if they are going to pick one i would rather have them vaping. I got addicted to cigerattes at around 11 or 12 and spent 35 years fighting those demons.
 

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Personally, I see the possibility of a whole new generation of vapers, who never smoked analogs. Now.....if vaping were not an option, a great deal of those kids might have started smoking analogs instead, and we are fairly certian that vaping is gonna be less harmful to the body overall, so is that so horrid? Yep, an addiction to nicotine in all likelyhood, big whoop IMO, compared with a whole new generation of analog smokers.

Yeah, that.

We have to make a best effort to keep nicotine out of the hands of minors but there is no way to be 100%. Period. I slipped through at 16. It was illegal as all get out to sell me cigarettes but somebody did. And restricting things too tightly often backfires. Teens are, well, rebellious. Tell 'em "no" loudly and repeatedly, they often get more determined. I'd rather the ones that slip through land on vaping instead of smoking. A nicotine addiction isn't nearly the threat to health all the other 4,000 and counting chemicals in tobacco smoke are. Nicotine may well not be any worse than caffeine in many ways. And caffeine addiction is real. But I don't see Starbucks being regulated out of business.

Prohibition has been a catastrophic failure both times. It failed with alcohol so we did it again. Strangely, it failed again. Weird huh?

And I resent, "won't somebody thing of the children" to no end. I want to retort, "how about you think of your children for once and stop making it my responsibility?"

It's just a tactic to smack down opponents in a debate with an emotional appeal. It's disingenuous in the extreme. And it always hides an agenda that benefits anybody but the kids.

(Okay, average folk who say it may mean it. Politicians and business types, I don't believe it. Not ever. They're always hiding an agenda that benefits them in some way or other.)

I can't help but think if vaping had been around and had replaced smoking when I was young, my life would have been drastically different. I might have a nic addiction but I ended up with that anyway. I just did it in a way that was damaging to my health in I don't even know how many ways (and will never be able to go back and time, relive it all and see what the difference is).

Kids are going to make bad decisions. That has been going on since the dawn of the human species. We can never make the world perfectly safe. It's not possible. We have to make it safer. And vaping is, I have no doubt, safer. Not "safe" in some absolute sense. Safer. And may be our best chance to give people who did screw up as kids a chance to escape a lingering, horrific death (lung cancer still flat terrifies me, folks who smoked about as long as I did and quit at middle age, quite often next seen wasting away and not making it through their sixties... which for me is less than a decade away now... <shudder>).

I'm no conspiracy freak but there are hidden agendas all through this one. And none of them benefit any children...
 
I sincerely believe that gateway use of anything is an objective fallacy. You can't just slap a label on something and apply it to a population to bolster your own personal views. Every human being is different and will have different thresholds of addictive behavior and drug use. If there is any true gateway, it is born of prohibition and black market availability.
 
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