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I'm actually going to try vaping 6mg regular nicotine tomorrow in my eGo tank setup, I mixed up a small amount of juice and shook it well, took a puff, and it didn't seem too strong, so I will try that and see how it goes.

I actually think chain vaping might not be such a bad thing for me at first, perhaps I'll up the nicotine later if I get tired of doing it so much.
 

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I wonder if WTA isn't perhaps too strong. I notice similar feelings to smoking a cigarette, but I notice that the cigarettes I have been smoking are not nearly as strong in the calming effect that Aroma's WTA produces. In addition, the effect seems to last for hours. I could see the WTA going a long ways, perhaps it wouldn't be necessary to vape it all the time?

I've read about NET's but I've also heard they don't contain alkaloids on their own and that they can use up atomizers faster.

I do cut up my melatonin, but sometimes it still gives me hangover, especially if I use it for early morning waking (3 am).

I can see WTA e-liquids easing my way into vaping. My mistake was using a Blu to start out- the flavors are mediocre (the tobacco doesn't taste like tobacco, it reminds me more of cappuccino coffee mixed with ash tray, only the menthol is tolerable), the strength you get in the cartridges is too high. Vapor production is OK but they aren't really a good deal. Currently I use my Blu occasionally and I refill the cartridges with better juice, but I wish I had started out on something else . Blu literally drove me back to smoking cigarettes, the experience was that bad. I know Lorillard has muscled Blu into convenience stores everywhere but the selection of cartridges they offer is poor, especially compared to Mistic (I tried their 12mg and it was much more tolerable).

I can't vape WTA eliquids all the time. I have a tank that's filled with my WTAs and I just take a few puffs now and then when I feel that I need them. The rest of the time I just vape regular non-WTA juices.

NETs don't really have any significant amounts of WTAs.

And yes, there are better eliquids than what Blu offers--even though theirs are made by Johnson's Creek and they are 100% VG--I can't tolerate 100% VG at all. You may be one of those people who prefer a PG/VG blend.
 
I've been in and out of cardiologists and emergency rooms... my heart is fine. It's anxiety/panic. Honestly, my health was worse before I went back to smoking. I'm not looking to "quit", live a tobacco free life. Just maybe a healthier alternative long term.

FWIW, my gear is:

unregulated eGo battery (its currently got around ~3.9 volts) and joye 510-T tanks/atomizers
CE4 clearomizers, standard resistance
2 ohm CE8 clearomizer
blu ecigs
mistic ecig I picked up at gas station
njoy king gold (I like this one, not too strong still has a kick... but not as satisfying as real tobacco)
one kr808 battery and a few cartomizers for it
some 280mah 510 turbos for discrete, stealth vaping

I've ordered an inexpensive eGo twist to try as it would give me more flexibility, but after sampling my partners variable voltage eGo, I actually think beter vapes happen at lower voltages). I do like the warmer clearomizers and cartomizers, though.

I want to suggest something else that might help. In addition to the higher level nicotine juices that others are recommending, try getting a rebuildable atomizer. Why? Rebuildables tend to deliver the nicotine better than any type or tank/clearo/carto. Nearly every single vaper I know that prefers 12mg or 18 mg simply cannot vape those high levels anymore because they use rbas now(rebuildable atomizers). I myself used 12mg in tanks for over a year and I, like others that drip, can't go any higher than 6mg because the nic hit is too harsh. Now apply that to your case where you would use a high-nic liquid like 24mg or that alkaloid liquid you're using, you will notice a difference in nicotine delivery compared to your tanks. Granted there is a whole new learning curve with rebuilding coils, but the flavor (especially flavor), the vapor production, and nicotine delivery is very hard to beat. I know I'm making a hard claim, but I wouldn't do so if I didn't believe in it. Learn about building coils and give it try. You may be surprised
 
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Maybe try easing off the cigs gradually before going cold turkey to vaping? Move down to ultra lights from full strength, smoking a couple only after eating?

I've been off cigs since new years and for me I had the same something is missing issue. Fortunately I didn't have the same physical effects, that would be intolerable. That said, no matter how much I vaped, I still went through a withdrawal period. And did I vape. I achieved buzz level i never achieved even chain smoking cigs in front of video poker machine. But vaping was not the same. The worst time for me was week 2, I was at my edgiest. I even hung with my smoking buds at work to catch some secondhand, crazy huh? But once that week passed it has been getting easier. Vaping is not a 100% replacement regardless of nicotine strength, those other chems in cigs are a big part of the addiction. Gotta hang in there. If you are serious about quitting, you may need to see a doctor to get something for the panic/anxiety at least temporarily.
 

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I've been in and out of cardiologists and emergency rooms... my heart is fine. It's anxiety/panic. Honestly, my health was worse before I went back to smoking. I'm not looking to "quit", live a tobacco free life. Just maybe a healthier alternative long term.

FWIW, my gear is:

unregulated eGo battery (its currently got around ~3.9 volts) and joye 510-T tanks/atomizers
CE4 clearomizers, standard resistance
2 ohm CE8 clearomizer
blu ecigs
mistic ecig I picked up at gas station
njoy king gold (I like this one, not too strong still has a kick... but not as satisfying as real tobacco)
one kr808 battery and a few cartomizers for it
some 280mah 510 turbos for discrete, stealth vaping

I've ordered an inexpensive eGo twist to try as it would give me more flexibility, but after sampling my partners variable voltage eGo, I actually think beter vapes happen at lower voltages). I do like the warmer clearomizers and cartomizers, though.

You might also be sensitive to PG. You should try a VG juice once to see if it suits you better. Or a 50% / 50% mix... Never know, might help.
 

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I'm fairly certain now the issue is that some of the liquids and cartridges I was vaping were too strong. Taking a big hit of nicotine was making me freak out as it doesn't replicate how I smoke. I know the conventional wisdom is to up the nicotine, but I don't believe that works in my case as it just causes a lot of anxiety and OD symptoms (yesterday I got obvious nausea and restless sleep vaping a single drag). I'm still trying to make regular e-liquid work, and use the whole tobacco alkaloids when cravings get bad. But I may end up needing 100 percent WTA liquids.

The nicotine from e-cigs seems to reach my brain fairly fast. Not as fast as smoking, but about as fast as nasal snuff.

Yeah, I have had PG sensitivity, but I thought I got over it. First 2 weeks of vaping I got dehydration (really bad, the skin on my fingers started cracking), a little cough, very dry mouth, worsening fibromyalgia.. it went away eventually. Very freaky though, and Fin disposables, while I loved the flavor and the sensation (they actually tasted and felt a bit like smoke), were the worst at dehydration. VG has its own issues for me, 100 percent VG produces thin phlegm everywhere inside. Rigth now I'm liking 70/30 or 50/50 the best.
 
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I'm fairly certain now the issue is that some of the liquids and cartridges I was vaping were too strong. Taking a big hit of nicotine was making me freak out as it doesn't replicate how I smoke. I know the conventional wisdom is to up the nicotine, but I don't believe that works in my case as it just causes a lot of anxiety and OD symptoms (yesterday I got obvious nausea and restless sleep vaping a single drag). I'm still trying to make regular e-liquid work, and use the whole tobacco alkaloids when cravings get bad. But I may end up needing 100 percent WTA liquids.

The nicotine from e-cigs seems to reach my brain fairly fast. Not as fast as smoking, but about as fast as nasal snuff.

Yeah, I have had PG sensitivity, but I thought I got over it. First 2 weeks of vaping I got dehydration (really bad, the skin on my fingers started cracking), a little cough, very dry mouth, worsening fibromyalgia.. it went away eventually. Very freaky though, and Fin disposables, while I loved the flavor and the sensation (they actually tasted and felt a bit like smoke), were the worst at dehydration. VG has its own issues for me, 100 percent VG produces thin phlegm everywhere inside. Rigth now I'm liking 70/30 or 50/50 the best.

There's no right way to say this but, it's actually nice to see someone else here who has Fibro! I also have heart 'issues', panic attacks is the general term I guess, but they really can't tell me what's wrong, been told it COULD be SVT (Supraventricular tachycardia) but there's no real test from what I understand.

I had a lot of issues making the switch myself, I've been vaping for about 2 months and completely analog free for about 3 weeks. I learned very quickly that I do better around 50/50 on my juices and to stay hydrated. I had some bad dehydration at first too, I was sick to my stomach a lot and constant headaches. I feel like a million bucks now, I've even noticed a decrease in my Fibro pain and I have so much more energy. I started out at 18mg on the Nicotine and recently reduced it to 12mg. I use carto tanks because for me they have more of a 'natural' cig feel (the pull is similar).

Anyway, I do hope things are getting better, or do get better, for you. Making the switch has been the best thing I've done for myself and my family.
 

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Yeah, i'm the rare type... I'm a male with fibromyalgia. Actually, I have delt with many medical and psychiatric issues that are more common in women. My brain is wired differently, too, and I often don't feel I fit in with other men, and that's a whole 'nother topic in itself.

When I initially started vaping PG heavy liquids, I really notice problems with my fibro flaring up. Since I've been vaping less the pass few weeks, I may have those issues again, as I am trying to get back to vaping more

I threw out some of my junkier rolling supplies (worthless Gambler light tubes- all I did was puff more when I smoked them), I figured that would help me make the switch easier. When cravings have gotten really bad today, I get a pinch of Skoal and that seems to be working, I'm starting to realize just how unsatisfying it is to really go out, smoke a cigarette, come back into the apartment, repeat and repeat. I really only enjoy the first and last cigarette of the day. Needless to say, my interest in quitting is more oriented to the hassle of smoking, than health concerns (which I often rationalize by the reality that I could be hit by a car easily around here, since I'm a pedestrian all the time).

I'm also looking to meet other RL vapers in the Orlando area, so I joined a meetup group. The B&M's around here haven't been so helpful (plus I don't drive and around here there's mostly headshops selling vaping stuff, and not really oriented to anything but the hookah crowd), so I'm hoping I have better luck meeting other vapers.

Plume, your mailbox is full so I can't send you a reply to a question you asked me. You must be very popular!
 
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Yeah, i'm the rare type... I'm a male with fibromyalgia. Actually, I have delt with many medical and psychiatric issues that are more common in women. My brain is wired differently, too, and I often don't feel I fit in with other men, and that's a whole 'nother topic in itself.

Yea, it's not AS common. I use Fibromyalgia Support Group - DailyStrength it's a great 'support group' for people with Fibro. There are a few guys on there as well. Off the 'vaping' topic I know, sorry lol. Good luck with everything and if you need anything or just want to talk/vent, feel free to shoot me a msg anytime!
 

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Maybe it's not the nicotine that's giving you heart palpitations but the PG? Since analogs don't cause the same reaction in you, it must be something else other than just nicotine that's making you sick. You could try a VG based juice, many companies offer that option. I've heard some people have PG allergies.

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I tried vaping some 6mg regular nicotine (mixture of 0mg Liqua Turkish and 12mg Desert Ship) in an eGo tank... while it didn't make me sick, I think it's too weak to keep me off cigs. Maybe 9mg would work better. I loved the flavor though, it reminded me of some of the pipe tobaccos I smoked years ago.

I'm getting really inconsistent vaping with the eGo tanks (I'm using generic 510-style atomizers, 3 ohms). Feels like I'm drinking a malt too, very restricted draw.
 

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I spent 5 hours out with my parents (both non-smokers), just vaping. I vaped in a café with some coffee, which is awesome to be able to do in this day and age (and everybody ignored me). I got some killer cravings and I just vaped, and vaped... after about 5-6 good drags they went away. Maybe it is a reaction to stuff in the juice. I was using 12mg "Minty Marlboro" (got it at a local fleamarket) in a Mistic I refilled using the condom method, whereas I've been vaping some strange stuff (Chinese juice I got off Ebay) recently.

Cigalikes feel more satisfying to me than my eGo. The eGo will require more getting used to. Even though there's no physical rush with ordinary nic juice, the familiarity of the feel of a cig-a-like really helps.

I think I'm becoming more OK with vaping... a few bad experiences can drive a person back to analogs, though.
 
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I went to a vape shop and tried an e-liquid called "Havana Tobacco". The flavor is really nice, it reminds me of a Swisher Sweet. I smoked a few cigarettes today but mostly I vaped or I've been using some Ariva lozenges I got on the net. I hope the trend continues. I can see myself quitting analogs soon as I am starting to actually like the taste of vaping more, and I'm getting used to how to vape at 12mg with my current equipment.
 

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That's wonderful, FireDragon. I hope you can keep vaping and eventually not even think about analogs any more.

This thread brings something to mind that I hadn't even considered before. I simply thought, "Why can't everyone who smokes just switch to vaping? It's easy!" Well, it's clearly not easy for everyone. People are different. Their tastes and tolerances are different. Their needs and dependencies are different. Some people will find it easy to start vaping in an instant and never again touch a cigarette. But others will find it much more difficult. Some may even find it impossible. And, contrary to what many may think, it's NOT just a matter of strength of will. There are many factors to consider, and some of them may never even be known or understood.

I know now to accept each person's vaping experience individually, and not think of everyone who is trying to quit smoking with vaping in the same way.
 

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I'd look for some 36mg/ml nicotine. give that a try for a while. A lot of it boils down to wanting it. In your case I understand the difference, my wife is on a myriad of RX for the anxiety,agoraphobia, and general panic disorder. It's not easy. The one thing I realized is that as soon as i realized that it wasn't going to make me quit or make it absolutly painless to quit. I just let it happen. it took just over 2 months. So don't force it. like I've heard

KEEP CALM AND VAPE ON
 

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This explains the head rush you miss. We all miss it, but your body will thank you later. Stick with it.

You get the head rush because cigarette smoke displaces the amount of oxygen into your lungs, and therefore your blood. The term for what you are experiencing is hypoxia- albeit a mild form. Hypoxia is a shortage of oxygen to the brain, which causes the head rush and occasionally dizziness.
 

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I've tried a lot of stuff and nothing is really satisfying. At most I'm finding e-cigs are a way to "smoke" indoors, staving off cravings for a few hours. But, I just got done practically chain smoking real cigs, after a day of forcing myself to use e-cigs.

Tobacco smoking was OK, but I find vaping to be superior. There's alot more stuff to do. I do find vaping relaxing though. Also tried a hookah, which was very nice as well. As others have said keep at it. The "unsatified vaper" eventually often becomes satisfied. Vaping is the solution for many but not for everyone. Was speaking to an 83 year old man today. Ex-Smoker, who stopped via cold turkey after several tries. Hang in there.
 
Are you taking medication for your fibrymialgia? We are very similar. Although I am not diagnosed Asperger's, I have struggled with oversensitivity my entire life. It began in 4th/5th grade and ever since, its only gotten worse. I cannot look many people in the eyes. I cannot enjoy a dinner with my family. I cannot stop thinking about how I feel, every little movement of my body gets scrutinized, from a leg twitch to a one sided crack of a smile. I'm over-sensitive to social cues & it causes extreme social anxiety. Nicotine vapor can/does give me anxiety, but I know when to quit vaping before that happens, usually.

As far as nicotine juice goes, I notice the effects of vaping in conjunction with my medication almost immediately. If you are on pain medication for your fibro, I believe that cigarette smoke potentiates the euphoric side of pain medications, where-as, our e-cigarettes actually cause dysphoria. Vapor does little to nothing in the way of potentiation, because it lacks MAOI activity. Our nicotine also makes friends/family of mine living on pain medications often feel very ill, nauseous, and foggy-headed if they've skipped a regular dose, or if they've taken a dose too soon after the last. The pure nicotine acts as a dopaminergic receptor & dopamine catalyst. Which can cause symptoms of over-sensitization, classic "withdrawal" syndrome, classic nicotine overdose symptom, and dopamine overstimulation. So our e-cigarettes can be tricky to get the hang of for those on these types of medications.

I think you would truly benefit from purchasing a small 15ml bottle of whole tobacco alkaloid juice. It does contain MAO Inhibitors, which means the WTA juices DO allow for more relaxing feelings, more-similar to cigarettes, in comparison to the solely nicotine molecular makeup in regular e-juice. & nicotine pretty much only acts as a stimulant, never a high dose stimulant. (unless it is potentiated by MAOIs) The difference between low & high doses of nicotine is night and day. In low doses, it is strictly a stimulant. In higher doses, it's a stimulant based sedative. Which means you're body will feel fresh, renewed, but you won't get undesirable effects, such as overactive mind or physical hyperactivity or over-firing neurons. Rather, with WTA juice, it gives the effects of focus, calm- stillness of mind, and all of the effects we were used to with cigarettes, such as potentiation of other substances, and "relaxation" of the body.

What you SHOULDN'T do, is you should NOT listen to people telling you it is nicotine withdrawal. Nicotine withdrawal and nicotine overstimulation feel almost EXACTLY the same. So it's very easy for one to steer another wrong, if they do not know the other's whole-story. If you were a regular smoker of 1 or more packs per day, I recommend going with 12 to 18mg juice, no higher. You may be able to get away with 10-11mg but no higher than 18 and no lower than 10 without experiencing uncomfortable symptoms.
In my opinion, 24mg juice is SOLELY for reducing the amount of "puffs" one has to take to get a sufficient amount of nicotine per vape. 24mg in my opinion, should never be vaped like we used to smoke, if you were a heavy smoker. (people like to think [naturally] that it would make sense for a heavy smoker to use a HIGHER mg amount. On the contrary, I believe that a heavy smoker should use a LOWER nicotine amount, because a heavy smoker will be a heavy vaper) Using 24+mg nicotine liquid will potentially only cause immediate problems of over-stimulation, and eventually, a leveling out, a new baseline, and ultimately a higher physical/emotional dependance than the dependance one had before switching from cigarettes to 24+mg juice. Could a 5 a day smoker utilize 24mg juice? I think so. They could drastically reduce the amount of puffs they need to take for those 5 vapes each day. One to four puffs from 24mg juice should sufficiently satisfy a 5-10 a day smoker. But if your going to chain vape like you chain smoked, then 12-18mg will replicate the experience of smoking much more efficiently, in my humble O.

Thats all I've got. If this post gets scrolled over like I suspect the others have, then your all on your own.

New to this forum and I've read your posts in this thread. All informed me a great deal! So, thanks for posting!

I'm a small cigar, cigarillos, smoker. I smoke about 6-8 a day plus one or two big cigars. They have no filter, just pure machine or hand rolled tobacco leaves. I want to quit these for vaping. Need to learn everything about it, which is why I signed up here.

I enjoy the 'relaxing high' I get from smoking, not just the nicotine. So, it sounds like WTA at 18 mg. is what I should start off with!

Any suggestions about what's the best WTA to try for a new guy to vaping would be greatly appreciated!
 
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