A question about temp. control.

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Daniel Vapor

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Hello everyone,

I recently bought a joyetech Cuboid 150w with 2x Samsung 30Q batteries (rated 15AMP)
The thing is; I am not sure about the safety of using a dual ni200 build because the resistance is so low. I know it goes up while it gets hotter, but still.

My question is: is it safe to have a dual ni200 coil build on my device? ( 13 wraps/ 3mm/ 28 gauge).

Please help me, otherwise I am not touching temp control ):

Kind regards,

Daniël
 

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Hello everyone,

I recently bought a Joyetech Cuboid 150w with 2x Samsung 30Q batteries (rated 15AMP)
The thing is; I am not sure about the safety of using a dual ni200 build because the resistance is so low. I know it goes up while it gets hotter, but still.

My question is: is it safe to have a dual ni200 coil build on my device? ( 13 wraps/ 3mm/ 28 gauge).

Please help me, otherwise I am not touching temp control ):

Kind regards,

Daniël

Dual Coil is fine if set into TC mode properly, so I'll address some things to keep in mind.
1) The Samsung 30Q yes is safely rated at 15amp Continuous Discharge (CDR) but can be wiggled up to 20amp CDR (this will however decrease their life as it puts undo stress on them), with a Pulse Discharge of about 30amps (but again this puts even more stress on the batteries and decreases their life span even further).
2) If you are asking about the relation of Ohm's Law with the Cuboid and whether the resistance plays a relation, yes in a sense it does, Ohm's Law is more for those on mechanicals Voltage/Resistance=Amps, resistance plays only a factor on a regulated mod to tell the mod if it can fire a coil or not, regulated mods use Watts Law (Watts/Lowest Battery Charge=Amps). Using that formula, we can reverse it, remembering that the Cuboid is a series battery configuration, mod regulated mods shut down at about 3.2 to 3.6v per cell (low battery warning), we'll use 3.2v, in a series that voltage is doubled, so max watts the 30Q in a series can handle using this formula 6.4vX15amps=96Watts.
3) Temp Control mode you could possibly get away with 100watts as power cap, then adjust your temperature to taste, once the TC cap is reached, the mod pulses the voltage signal to maintain temp, so only time you are full power setting is initial heat up, after that the mod will pulse for example between 20 up to 100watts with a median discharge of power in the 50 to 60watts range which won't overstress the batteries.

Nice mod, nice batteries, sounds like a good setup. If you are worried about the battery safety, the 30Q is safe in the ranges I've posted, Link in my Signature Line goes to a blog I've done that breaks down where batteries are safest at what wattage ranges, and links to authentic battery vendors. Other battery models you might look at, to keep the 3000mah the 30Q has, the LG HG2 (chocolate brown) is similar but has a 20amp CDR, another 5amps the 30Q does not, the Samsung 25R is a workhorse, only 2500mah and 20amp rated though it is more forgiving up to 25amps, the Sony VTC4 is only 2100mah 20amp CDR rated though it can handle 30amp CDR with only a decrease of battery life but do it safely, the LG HE2/HE4 are similar to the 25R in ratings. So you have other options out there, but the 30Q yes is safe in TC mode with 28awg Nickel in a dual coil configuration if you are not going crazy with it.
 
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Daniel Vapor

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Dual Coil is fine if set into TC mode properly, so I'll address some things to keep in mind.
1) The Samsung 30Q yes is safely rated at 15amp Continuous Discharge (CDR) but can be wiggled up to 20amp CDR (this will however decrease their life as it puts undo stress on them), with a Pulse Discharge of about 30amps (but again this puts even more stress on the batteries and decreases their life span even further).
2) If you are asking about the relation of Ohm's Law with the Cuboid and whether the resistance plays a relation, yes in a sense it does, Ohm's Law is more for those on mechanicals Voltage/Resistance=Amps, resistance plays only a factor on a regulated mod to tell the mod if it can fire a coil or not, regulated mods use Watts Law (Watts/Lowest Battery Charge=Amps). Using that formula, we can reverse it, remembering that the Cuboid is a series battery configuration, mod regulated mods shut down at about 3.2 to 3.6v per cell (low battery warning), we'll use 3.2v, in a series that voltage is doubled, so max watts the 30Q in a series can handle using this formula 6.4vX15amps=96Watts.
3) Temp Control mode you could possibly get away with 100watts as power cap, then adjust your temperature to taste, once the TC cap is reached, the mod pulses the voltage signal to maintain temp, so only time you are full power setting is initial heat up, after that the mod will pulse for example between 20 up to 100watts with a median discharge of power in the 50 to 60watts range which won't overstress the batteries.

Nice mod, nice batteries, sounds like a good setup. If you are worried about the battery safety, the 30Q is safe in the ranges I've posted, Link in my Signature Line goes to a blog I've done that breaks down where batteries are safest at what wattage ranges, and links to authentic battery vendors. Other battery models you might look at, to keep the 3000mah the 30Q has, the LG HG2 (chocolate brown) is similar but has a 20amp CDR, another 5amps the 30Q does not, the Samsung 25R is a workhorse, only 2500mah and 20amp rated though it is more forgiving up to 25amps, the Sony VTC4 is only 2100mah 20amp CDR rated though it can handle 30amp CDR with only a decrease of battery life but do it safely, the LG HE2/HE4 are similar to the 25R in ratings. So you have other options out there, but the 30Q yes is safe in TC mode with 28awg Nickel in a dual coil configuration if you are not going crazy with it.

Thank you very much for the fast response!
This helps me a lot.

Greetings,
Daniël
 

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What do you mean by 'protection' error? If you are vaping in TC mode and you hit your preset temperature, it will flash "Protection" on the screen and the mod will lower the wattage. That is what a TC mod does. If you are getting an atomizer error message, that could mean that your coils are right at the lowest ohm limit of the mod and it might be measuring below the lower limit so it won't fire.

If the mod is firing and the vapor production is low, it could be that your temp is set too low. FWIW, when I vape using nickel coils, I typically vape at around 34-45 watts and set my temp to between 480-500 degrees. The wattage will vary depending on the gauge wire you are using, the resistance, and the type of topper.
 

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I am not entierly sure what you mean with ´the 7 amp headspace´, thanks for the response anyways :)
Battery rated at 15 amps, staying under 15 like 7 or 8 gives you a safety margin of 7 or 8, often referred to as headspace in the trades. It's a given that your battery is stressed & there is no reason for you to test my assumption. Be safe & see you again..
 

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The only thing is that the first split second my amp meter says it's at 21.1 amps. My batteries are the Samsung 30q (rated 15 amps). Is this a problem?

The 21.1 amps is the amps through the coil.
What you need to look at is the wattage.
All that matters is whether your batteries are good for the wattage you mod requires.
 
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