**A word about smoke juice discoloration from Johnson Creek**

[MacFan]

Hi guys! I wanted to take a moment and bring you up to speed on what's been going on with some of the bottles experiencing discoloration with the liquid. At first, we were really surprised to hear this and although we'll still test some other theories, one of our astute technicians has found out what's been going on here. When we switched from amber to clear bottles, we failed to warn customers not to expose their bottles to ANY sunlight. That was our fault - and I sincerely apologize. When our formula was sold in amber, the amber glass filtered out the UV rays (which is what damages the formula and causes the discoloration) and as such, this was not a factor and so we didn't think about it happening with clear bottles.
Indeed, we were truly baffled as to what may be going on here. We knew the formula had not changed at all, we also knew that our ultra-clean bottling conditions had not changed at all. The only thing that has changed was switching to the clear bottles - thus making the formula extremely vulnerable to even the slightest amount of sunlight (indeed probably magnifying it somewhat).
As a result, we will likely be returning to amber bottles but for now, just keep all bottles out of any sunlight. Again, this has only occurred to clear bottles who have has some exposure to light.
I want to assure everyone that as always our formula is the safest on the market and has not and will not change. However I should have thought about the clear glass making our formula vulnerable, and I didn't - again I apologize.
Obviously we will exchange any orders that experienced this. Just send the old one's back and we'll send you out a replacement order as well as refund you the shipping cost.
A very sincere thanks to those of you who helped out with figuring out this mystery!

Christian Berkey
Johnson Creek Original Smoke juice

 

[Kate]

Why isn't this an issue for other brands who use clear bottles?

Can you back up your claim that your product is the safest?

 

[parked]

Thanks Christian this happened on a couple of bottles in my starter pack that were clear they turned a green color. I'm glad to know what caused it thanks for the info!

 

[MacFan]

Why isn't this an issue for other brands who use clear bottles?

Can you back up your claim that your product is the safest?

I wasn't aware of any other manufacturers/retailers that sold e-liquid in clear glass bottles. Some use shaded plastic but I don't think anyone uses clear glass.

As for the safest, well I'll let you decide;

Here are the ingredients in Johnson Creek Smoke juice:

- PROPYLENE GLYCOL
- FOOD-GRADE VEGETABLE GLYCERIN (NON-PG FORMULAS)
- NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORINGS
- NATURAL FLAVOR EXTRACTS
- TOBACCO ESSENCE (VIRGINIA & BURLEY)
- NICOTINE
- CITRIC ACID (NATURAL PRESERVATIVE)
- DISTILLED WATER

Here are the ingredients in most, if not all other e-liquids:

- TRIMETHYLPYRAZINE
- DIMETHYLPYRAZINE
- ETHYLPYRAZINE
- ACETYLPYRAZINE
- TRIMETHYLCYCLOHEX
- BUTENE
- ORIENT TOBACCO ABSOLUTE (USUALLY VIRGINIA)
- LINAL0OL
- METHYL BUTYRIC ACID
- OCTALACTONE (GAMMA)
- UNDECALACTONE (GAMMA)
- GLYCEROL
- NICOTINE
- WATER

Which one would you rather ingest?

 

[dc2k08]

oops, I posted in the wrong thread........(deleted)

 

[sanneke]

I rather vape Janty juice, that's for sure......and that's what I do.
There have been so many problems in the past.
I was never contacted by you, I was never offered nothing.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

 

[Kate]

Janty eliquid comes in clear plastic bottles. I've never had discolouration or gloop with theirs and I have plenty of them stored for various lengths of time under different conditions.

Thanks for the info on content. You don't mention the chemical names of your ingredients, that's sure to make it sound better.

Making health claims might not be a wise long term strategy, at some point you will be expected to prove it.

I hope your problems get sorted soon, good luck with it.

 

[Grumpysanta]

Thanks for the info but I'll stick to Totally Wicked.

 

[jarvis]

So do you recommend customers not use the discolored liquid?

 

[Joshy_1289]

I ordered two bottles of liquids from pure smoker, both were clear... One True Menthol and one Vanilla... I've left them in my car once... Not green...

Ill be sticking with PureSmoker...

 

[Kate]

2-hydroxypropane-1,2,3- or citric acid ... which would I choose?

If I was selling I would call it citric acid too.

 

[Prodigal1]

thanks for the info MacFan. that would explain why my brown bottles didnt turn and others here did. although I would love to see the full scientific ingredient list I will still say this. I can only use vg due to allergy and I am glad to have a place to order from in the us that is using a lab. we need to remember we are all testors no matter who's stuff we are vaping.

 

[Singalo]

I wasn't aware of any other manufacturers/retailers that sold e-liquid in clear glass bottles. Some use shaded plastic but I don't think anyone uses clear glass.

As for the safest, well I'll let you decide;

Here are the ingredients in Johnson Creek Smoke Juice:

- PROPYLENE GLYCOL
- FOOD-GRADE VEGETABLE GLYCERIN (NON-PG FORMULAS)
- NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORINGS
- NATURAL FLAVOR EXTRACTS
- TOBACCO ESSENCE (VIRGINIA & BURLEY)
- NICOTINE
- CITRIC ACID (NATURAL PRESERVATIVE)
- DISTILLED WATER

Here are the ingredients in most, if not all other e-liquids:

- TRIMETHYLPYRAZINE
- DIMETHYLPYRAZINE
- ETHYLPYRAZINE
- ACETYLPYRAZINE
- TRIMETHYLCYCLOHEX
- BUTENE
- ORIENT TOBACCO ABSOLUTE (USUALLY VIRGINIA)
- LINAL0OL
- METHYL BUTYRIC ACID
- OCTALACTONE (GAMMA)
- UNDECALACTONE (GAMMA)
- GLYCEROL
- NICOTINE
- WATER

Which one would you rather ingest?

What are the pharmaceutical/chemical mames of the natural/artificial flavorings and extract? why not label the bottle?
Thanks.

 

[TropicalBob]

Dr. Laugesen's first report relates how Ruyan liquid came back from the lab in December 2007 with stuff found that wasn't supposed to be there. An all out hunt went on to determine the source. Turned out, it was a flavoring.

From January of 2008, problematic flavorings are no longer used in the Ruyan liquid/carts.

Whatever the problem is with JC, bet that it originates in one of those flavorings or tobacco absolute.

 

[Dukeboy08]

I wasn't aware of any other manufacturers/retailers that sold e-liquid in clear glass bottles. Some use shaded plastic but I don't think anyone uses clear glass.

As for the safest, well I'll let you decide;

Here are the ingredients in Johnson Creek Smoke Juice:

- PROPYLENE GLYCOL
- FOOD-GRADE VEGETABLE GLYCERIN (NON-PG FORMULAS)
- NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORINGS
- NATURAL FLAVOR EXTRACTS
- TOBACCO ESSENCE (VIRGINIA & BURLEY)
- NICOTINE
- CITRIC ACID (NATURAL PRESERVATIVE)
- DISTILLED WATER

Here are the ingredients in most, if not all other e-liquids:

- TRIMETHYLPYRAZINE
- DIMETHYLPYRAZINE
- ETHYLPYRAZINE
- ACETYLPYRAZINE
- TRIMETHYLCYCLOHEX
- BUTENE
- ORIENT TOBACCO ABSOLUTE (USUALLY VIRGINIA)
- LINAL0OL
- METHYL BUTYRIC ACID
- OCTALACTONE (GAMMA)
- UNDECALACTONE (GAMMA)
- GLYCEROL
- NICOTINE
- WATER

Which one would you rather ingest?

ok so did some research before I would put my 2 cents in:
To the ingredients you just listed (Macfan)are natual and artificial flavors except, you didn't put their chemical names next to them.

TRIMETHYLPYRAZINE
DIMETHYLPYRAZINE
ETHYLPYRAZINE
ACETYLPYRAZINE
TRIMETHYLCYCLOHEX
BUTENE
ORIENT TOBACCO ABSOLUTE (USUALLY VIRGINIA)
LINAL0OL
METHYL BUTYRIC ACID
OCTALACTONE (GAMMA)
UNDECALACTONE (GAMMA)
GLYCEROL
NICOTINE
WATER

TRIMETHYLPYRAZINE:
FEMA GRAS; found in barley, almond, asparagus, beef, wheat bread, chicken, cocoa, coffee; used in baked goods, candy, dairy products, cereals.

DIMETHYLPYRAZINE
FEMA GRAS; found in asparagus, peanut, coffee, potato; used in gravies, beverages, candy, baked goods.

ETHYLPYRAZINE
FEMA GRAS; found in beef, coffee, bread; used in baked goods, cereals, candy, dairy products.

ACETYLPYRAZINE
FEMA GRAS; found in beef, coffee, popcorn, sesame seed, almond, wheat bread, cocoa, peanut, pork, potato chips; used in frozen dairy products.

TRIMETHYLCYCLOHEX
FEMA GRAS; found in rose, rum, brandy, tea; used in baked goods, candy, chewing gum.

BUTENE
Never seen this used in eliquid. If you are referring to BUTYRIC ACID which is found in several eliquids, here’s the info.
FDA GRAS; FEMA GRAS; found in apple, beef, beer, black currants, blueberries, wheat bread, butter, blue cheese; used in snack foods, candy, margarine.

ORIENT TOBACCO ABSOLUTE (USUALLY VIRGINIA)
Pretty self explanatory there …Liquid extracted from Tobacco Leaves
Natural to tobacco; used as flavorants at minimal levels

LINALOOL
FDA GRAS; FEMA GRAS; found in banana, beer, blackberry, beans, blueberry, apple, apricot, arctice bramble, artichoke, grape brandy, plum brandy; used in meat products.
In the Instance you are referring to Linalool Oxide –
LINALOOL OXIDE
FDA approved food additive; FEMA GRAS; found in oranges, apricot, coffee; used in ice cream, baked goods, candy.

METHYLBUTYRIC ACID
FDA approved food additive; FEMA GRAS; found in apple, apricot, avocado, beef, beer, blackberry, brandy, butter, cantaloupes, carrots; used in cheese, ice cream, candy.

OCTALACTONE
FEMA GRAS; found in apricot, beef, blackberry, butter, cheese (blue, cheddar, parmesan), cranberry, cream, coconut; used in candy, margarine, baked goods.

UNDECALACTONE
FEMA GRAS; found in beef, butter, coconut, milk; used in baked goods, candy, dairy products, cereals.

GLYCEROL
FDA GRAS; FEMA GRAS; found in beer, cherry, wine; used in milk products, baked goods, meat products.

NICOTINE
POISON

WATER
The bread of life

sorry forgot to add:FDA GRAS = Generally Recognized as Safe

But I guess I would rather vape chemical ingredients that are used as additives/flavorings/etc... than a broad term like "Natural and Artifical Flavorings"
This is just my 2 cents..

 

[bluewolf]

Sorry your company is taking a black eye over this but the flaw in the clear bottle theory is, some of my "green" liquid also came from the brown bottles????
I will be returning both my orders for exchange this week and keep everything in the dark of my desk drawer.

 

[spyderuk]

but the flaw in the clear bottle theory is, some of my "green" liquid also came from the brown bottles????

I was thinking the same after reading the thread that some juice in brown bottles was affected. Although I have not tried any JC juice as yet I was considering a sample pack recently.

Algae? Surely it wouldn't survive though.

 

[Kate]

As far as I can remember only the small sample bottles are affected. Pg and non pg, clear and coloured bottles, stored in a cool dark place or not and various flavours.

 

[Prodigal1]

looks like the clear bottle theory is snagging a bit. mine were all brown and are fine. once again it seems to look like oxidation as stated in the other JC thread.. it will be interesting to see how this ends.

 

[Trumpybloke]

While I will probably never even get to try JC liquids, I will at least give them credit for attempting to sort this problem out in the public arena, more than many other companies would do I suspect...JC you don't win any points tho for assuming people on this forum would be taken in by your comparisons of e-liquids... it may serve to remind you that people in these forums are fairly well educated in both the urban mythology and facts ( as little as there are) on these devices and what goes into them ... don't play the " people are dumb " line , and you will do your company a major service...
JC customers, dont be too harsh either , from what I see they are trying to deal with the prob, they are investigating,they are offering replacements , and hopefully they will also offer a no-nonsense explanation to what caused the problem in the first place .... I think this is admirable, and the only thing that come out of it is hopefully a transparancy and a better product, this is your chance JC to show the public that you can produce a quality product TRANSPARENTLY both in the real world and the web.
P.S. as an industrial chemist in a former life, UV degradation of a compound should only occur in the presence of the radiation, it is not a process that should continue after exposure unchecked, unless the by-product of the initial degradation creates another compound that affects other soluble compounds??? if this is the case I suggest you investigate the bottles returned spectrographically to find out if any of your components have become unstable by U/V exposure and reformed, and become a catalyst or similar for other reaction..........