So... I've been smoking between 4 cigs to a pack a day (very rare though recently). I used to smoke high nicotine content cigarettes: MB Blacks, Reds, 27's, MB Menthol, NWP Kings, and my favorite, Parliament Full Flavors. I'm also quite certain that the way I inhaled, combined with the speed I smoked them in, resulted in more nicotine than normally obtained from an analog. The reason why I bring this up is that no matter how much 12mg juice I vape, I still have the feeling of nicotine withdrawal. I read in a guide that 12mg was about half a pack a day smokers (my average). Should I have tried a higher content? I do know for a fact that I am quite resistant to high dosages of nicotine, but I'm unsure as the whether I want to quite smoking altogether or continue vaping. This is the reason I didn't get a higher mg content.
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Welcome to the forum Shocking and +10 forum points for a particularly creative thread title!
It's quite possible you need to up your nic content, and don't be afraid (or disappointed) to do so. It's really hard to even give a general statement as to how strong a juice we will need depending on how many we smoked. All you need to focus on is getting enough nicotine to reduce the cravings.
One thing you may try before upping the strength is taking longer slower pulls from your ecig. Hold them in your mouth a little longer before taking them into the lungs. It seems that with vaping more nicotine is absorbed into the body in the mouth and nose than in the lungs.
I started by getting 24 and 18mg strength juices and I found the 24 way, way too high, but the 18 perfect for my needs. I even vape 12 now in the evenings or when I am enjoying a particular flavor and don't want too much nic.
If you wanted to, you could even order the same flavors you have at 24 and then mix them with the ones you have now at a 50/50 ratio to get 18 - that way you'll have 24, 18, 12 and everything in-between.
Congratulations on making the switch, in my experience it's a journey not a destination. Vape it!
It's quite possible you need to up your nic content, and don't be afraid (or disappointed) to do so. It's really hard to even give a general statement as to how strong a juice we will need depending on how many we smoked. All you need to focus on is getting enough nicotine to reduce the cravings.
One thing you may try before upping the strength is taking longer slower pulls from your ecig. Hold them in your mouth a little longer before taking them into the lungs. It seems that with vaping more nicotine is absorbed into the body in the mouth and nose than in the lungs.
I started by getting 24 and 18mg strength juices and I found the 24 way, way too high, but the 18 perfect for my needs. I even vape 12 now in the evenings or when I am enjoying a particular flavor and don't want too much nic.
If you wanted to, you could even order the same flavors you have at 24 and then mix them with the ones you have now at a 50/50 ratio to get 18 - that way you'll have 24, 18, 12 and everything in-between.
Congratulations on making the switch, in my experience it's a journey not a destination. Vape it!
Welcome to the asylum Shocker...
Aglet's suggestion re: taking longer, slower hits is a good one, and with some juices, it actually tastes better to do it that way. I've actually pinched off a nostril and took a hit through my nose... talk about a fast nicotine absorption!
Camel straight smoker for 40+ years... but only a "lightweight" 2.5 packs a day. ;-) When I started, I bought 24 and was on the lookout for higher. Found 36, which had a great killer throat hit. Wanting a bit smoother TH, I dropped down to 24 again, and now I go back and forth between 24 and 18.
If you make your own juice, which is something I'm seriously looking at, you can adjust the nic to what ever level makes you happy. Even at 36... you're still not smoking cigs.
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Aglet's suggestion re: taking longer, slower hits is a good one, and with some juices, it actually tastes better to do it that way. I've actually pinched off a nostril and took a hit through my nose... talk about a fast nicotine absorption!
Camel straight smoker for 40+ years... but only a "lightweight" 2.5 packs a day. ;-) When I started, I bought 24 and was on the lookout for higher. Found 36, which had a great killer throat hit. Wanting a bit smoother TH, I dropped down to 24 again, and now I go back and forth between 24 and 18.
If you make your own juice, which is something I'm seriously looking at, you can adjust the nic to what ever level makes you happy. Even at 36... you're still not smoking cigs.
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I believe Pbusardo's website has links to some scientific studies regarding vaping vs smoking and nicotine blood saturation levels.
From what I understand vaping provides a much lower nicotine level, but more consistent. Smoking will spike the nicotine. This is part of the reason new vapors tend to "miss" a smoke. They don't always feel they are getting their buzz. I notice that I tend to chain vape when I am off and I use 24mg. I will start to reduce to 18mg mainly because I am starting to find the 24mg a bit harsh. I stopped analogs almost 4 weeks ago. This difference in nicotine levels also explains why I sometimes feel the need to chain vape.
Go with the 24mg in small amounts to start and see how that feels. The higher nicotine will have more throat hit and will satisfy more of the craving.
From what I understand vaping provides a much lower nicotine level, but more consistent. Smoking will spike the nicotine. This is part of the reason new vapors tend to "miss" a smoke. They don't always feel they are getting their buzz. I notice that I tend to chain vape when I am off and I use 24mg. I will start to reduce to 18mg mainly because I am starting to find the 24mg a bit harsh. I stopped analogs almost 4 weeks ago. This difference in nicotine levels also explains why I sometimes feel the need to chain vape.
Go with the 24mg in small amounts to start and see how that feels. The higher nicotine will have more throat hit and will satisfy more of the craving.
Don't be afriad to go with higher nicotine to start. 24, or even 36 is closer to the real cigs you smoked. I think going high nic now will help you get off analogs entirely, then, over time you can, and probably will want to lower the nic gradually.
I used to smoke 2.5 to 3 packs a day of those little cigars (the cigarette looking ones with filters) I started vaping at 24, it worked but barely so, I went to 36. Now I still like a few flavors in 24 for the TH, most in 18 and, some even in 0 nic. It wasn't a choice to reduce the nic, just a choice to have the flavors taste and feel best to me whatever the nic needed to be to get what I wanted.
I used to smoke 2.5 to 3 packs a day of those little cigars (the cigarette looking ones with filters) I started vaping at 24, it worked but barely so, I went to 36. Now I still like a few flavors in 24 for the TH, most in 18 and, some even in 0 nic. It wasn't a choice to reduce the nic, just a choice to have the flavors taste and feel best to me whatever the nic needed to be to get what I wanted.
This - explains my situation to a T. I only use 24mg when I'm drinking now. Congrats, and welcome!
I'm new to e-cigs (day 4) and not 100% off analogs. I had smoked 2-3 PAD and am down to 1/2. I'm struggling with adjusting and here's a few points...
1. Make sure you are using it properly. I wasn't at first and it made a huge difference once I discovered how to.
2. There are other things in analogs other than nicotine. I'm 100% certain that there's something else in cigarettes that are at the root of withdrawal for me. I've quit many times before and even with NRT - no matter how much nicotine I was getting in, it never cut the withdrawal symptoms.
3. I started to drink more non-caffeinated liquid yesterday and that seems to be helping a LOT with how I'm feeling. With vaping, you need more liquid. I'm on 100% VG and PG is more of an issue for dehydration but I think both are.
Good luck!
1. Make sure you are using it properly. I wasn't at first and it made a huge difference once I discovered how to.
2. There are other things in analogs other than nicotine. I'm 100% certain that there's something else in cigarettes that are at the root of withdrawal for me. I've quit many times before and even with NRT - no matter how much nicotine I was getting in, it never cut the withdrawal symptoms.
3. I started to drink more non-caffeinated liquid yesterday and that seems to be helping a LOT with how I'm feeling. With vaping, you need more liquid. I'm on 100% VG and PG is more of an issue for dehydration but I think both are.
Good luck!
I used to smoke light cigarettes. Ive been vaping 36 mg for four years and think that helped me to quit.
However, I only vape 2 to 3 ml per day. So my total nicotine intake is less than someone who vapes 5ml of 24 mg, for example.
However, I only vape 2 to 3 ml per day. So my total nicotine intake is less than someone who vapes 5ml of 24 mg, for example.
What device are you using? Just curious if its a cigalike or better since 12mg in a cigalike is weak but in an ego/clearomizer setup its good. Also are you drawing into your mouth or straight into your lungs? Nicotine in vapor is absorbed thru your mouth or nasal passages mainly.
Just tossing out ideas since I'm not sure how much info you have received on vaping
Just tossing out ideas since I'm not sure how much info you have received on vaping
Something that hasn't been mentioned is that e-liquid doesn't contain the tobacco alkaloids and other chemicals (such as ammonia) that react with nicotine to enhance its effects. While a higher percentage of nicotine will certainly help with cravings you may still experience some withdrawal symptoms.
As for the best method for inhaling...it's device dependent (I'm not going to throw a bunch of acronyms at you just yet) so it may take some experimentation to find out what works for you. For what it's worth I take the vapor directly into my lungs and get plenty of nicotine. A nice slow draw into the mouth does enhance flavor though.
As for the best method for inhaling...it's device dependent (I'm not going to throw a bunch of acronyms at you just yet) so it may take some experimentation to find out what works for you. For what it's worth I take the vapor directly into my lungs and get plenty of nicotine. A nice slow draw into the mouth does enhance flavor though.
I smoked a lot and full flavor as well. I just started a week ago. I have had small cravings and I use 24-36mg nicotine. You get less nicotine from vapor then from smoking. I use the 36mg after meals and when I get a bad craving. I would recommend higher nicotine if you are having cravings.
I used to believe that too but I'm not so sure anymore. It may be true with cig-a-likes and standard cartomizers but If I take a full lung hit first thing in the morning using a rebuildable atomizer I have to sit down for a few minutes. Even my 6mg is too much at times.
It may be due to the higher concentration of vapor or possibly the vapor particles are smaller using an RBA but that is pure conjecture. I do know I'm getting nicotine though.
It will still penetrate, just much slower and not as much. For a full nicotine hit you need to leave the vapor in you mouth a few seconds, inhale and exhale through your nose.
Bioavailability is different between vape and analogs. Vape has almost half as much. Your best bet might be trying anything up to 24mg to help hit the spot. Cigs are faster absorbing and we absorb more nic from them than a PV, so in theory nicotine requirements will vary when switching over. I was a pack a day reds smoker and 24mg does well.
From the ECF Library.
Here's a link to the full article. Interesting read.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ette-vs-e-cigarette-nicotine-equivalency.html
Here's a link to the full article. Interesting read.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ette-vs-e-cigarette-nicotine-equivalency.html
My oh my! The curiosity (bait) title worked!
You guys answered every single question that I had despite not directly posing any. I believe we are off to a healthy and long-lasting relationship ECF!
You can throw any e-cig term you want at me lol. I understand them all. I am very thorough in my research before making a purchase and even went as far as to question why models looked the same and found out what suppliers truly manufactured each e-cig model and brand despite selling them as rebrands
And as far as Pbusardo goes, I've read his entire site xD... this is only a TINY bit of the research I've done... I may be an addict ... 5 days ago, I had no knowledge of anything e-cig.
Thank you all for your replies.
P.S. I am currently using an iTaste vv/vw v 3.0 with a Kanger T3S clearomizer (which I found out may actually be the same glass as in the protank -- BONUS)
You guys answered every single question that I had despite not directly posing any. I believe we are off to a healthy and long-lasting relationship ECF!
You can throw any e-cig term you want at me lol. I understand them all. I am very thorough in my research before making a purchase and even went as far as to question why models looked the same and found out what suppliers truly manufactured each e-cig model and brand despite selling them as rebrands
And as far as Pbusardo goes, I've read his entire site xD... this is only a TINY bit of the research I've done... I may be an addict ... 5 days ago, I had no knowledge of anything e-cig.Thank you all for your replies.
P.S. I am currently using an iTaste vv/vw v 3.0 with a Kanger T3S clearomizer (which I found out may actually be the same glass as in the protank -- BONUS)
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