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I don't understand why, and/or where, many people get the idea that all eliquids automatically require some form of aging/steeping as soon as they're made. I'd be willing to bet that if more taste testing and sample vaping were done, that less steeping or aging would be going on before people enjoyed their DIY eliquids.

We all reply from our individual experiences. Tobacco and cream dessert style DIYers rely on steeping while fruit and candy people are used to shake and vape recipes.

I usually give any recipe 2 or 3 days and then test it. If it's fruit and candy I test right away, as you suggested. You point is well taken.
 
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I hear you.

I Burned out on vaping Heavily Flavored/Sweetened e-Liquids. Now I just Prime a new wick with a Flavored e-Liquid and then fill my Tank or Squonk Bottle with Unflavored.

It's Amazing how much Flavor there is from just a Flavored Wick. And also how much Longer my Coils last.

I change flavors often. I'm usually tired of same old-same old quickly. I try to switch to something that doesn't clash with whatever's still in the wick, but I agree that a wet wick takes a long time to change over completely to a new flavor.

Unflavored nic mix is a good way to transition.
 

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Labeling can be anything from a piece of masking tape written on with a fine point marker to a printed label. These two labels show the label from my handheld Brother printer on the left (2 labels, one above the other) and my Brother QL-700 USB printer on the right. Both are fine, but I'm partial to the Brother QL-700.

Both are water resistant and stand up to a warm water wash after application without smearing. The QL-700 spits out a label in a couple of seconds and included software is a graphics program similar to a Windows Paint or Photoshop type format that lets you use a wide range of fonts and inserted graphics.

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I'm really liking the QL-700, but wanted to add something you, and perhaps others reading may find helpful.

I included the born on, PG/VG ratio, nic %, etc on the label with the main information. Found that doing that would require full removal of the entire label every time mixed. Label attaches good enough it takes a bit of effort (for me, anyway) to remove and clean. So I created a main label with my mixer's name, juice name, and my emblem. At the same time I created a second small label with the information that will change with each mixing session in fairly small print. For my repeatable mixes, it makes it easier to just remove the small label and should in time, save tape.

Just FWIW. Now back to the original subject of the thread.
 

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IMO, before doing any aging or steeping (or whatever else one wants to call it)...test vaping at least several drops of your newly made DIY is important, for several reasons.
If you don't do that...

(1) How would you know if it's perhaps already a really good shake and vape recipe? (I've often wondered, when people say a recipe is good after 2-3 days of aging or steeping...if it might have been that good when newly made, but they didn't know it!)

(2) How can a baseline of taste be established to compare how it changes, or even if it actually does change...by letting it age or steep for 2-3 days, or for maybe a week, or even a month, etc.?

I don't understand why, and/or where, many people get the idea that all eliquids automatically require some form of aging/steeping as soon as they're made. I'd be willing to bet that if more taste testing and sample vaping were done, that less steeping or aging would be going on before people enjoyed their DIY eliquids.
That is great info. I'm basing the steeping off the notes on the recipe itself which did say 2 to 3 days of steeping and it was good. So since I'm so new at this, figured I'd follow directions and see where it takes me. Either way juice will steep more as I won't vape 30ml in one sitting.

But that's a great point.

I'm waiting on an RDA which I ordered for this very reason, a lot easier with one to drip and test than a tank setup, though I could do the same with a tank as well now that I think about it.

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Reading all the good advice in this thread I starting thinking about the way I mix juice myself. Here’s how I do it.

I wrote a spreadsheet, 5 recipes per page. I enter total amount and flavoring %’s, the spreadsheet converts that into mls.

Always start with 10mg nic base, so the final nic % and VG/PG ratio vary depending on how much flavoring I add. I make 10mls for a new recipe or one I’m playing with.

Then while I’m mixing I sometimes change the %’s on the fly, change an ingredient, or add a bit of something else, which I sometimes remember to record in the spreadsheet. When I make a new bottle of a recipe I grab the copy of the spreadsheet where I last made that recipe, so I don't have a record of previous versions.

I rarely make more than one version of a recipe at the same time, so I can’t compare them except by memory.

Never bother trying a juice right away to see if it needs steeping, unless it's something I'm excited about trying. Just leave it on the shelf until I have an empty tank to put it in. Don't keep a record of when I mixed it.

When I accidentally produce something I like I put the recipe in a file, maybe including whatever undocumented changes I made while I was mixing it, if I can remember.

So my method is basically a list of everything you can do to make the process of developing recipes as hit and miss as possible. It takes me a really long time to get one I like. I know what I could do to be an efficient recipe developer, but my method works for me. I don’t treat it like a scientific experiment. It’s how I cook too. There are plenty of other things in my life that I have to be precise and efficient about.

Just saying, everyone is different and there’s no right way to make juice. Be a scientist, or play around with it. Whatever you find you enjoy doing.
 

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Just wanted to say that I am pleaseantly surprised at the great customer service I got from Nicotine River - I ordered my DIY kit and flavors from them. IT was shipped really fast. but when I got it, the VG bottle which was nicely wrapped in a plastic bag and sealed, had been put in with the cap not all the way tight, so the bag had a small amount of VG sprayed around it.

I contacted them just to let them know about it. I told them that I was so happy to get the kit and it was great, and let them know the VG had a small amount that leaked, not much, just a small amount. They sent me another 500m bottle of VG without me even asking them to do anything. Can't say enough about how great that is for customer service. I was not expecting anything as it was no big deal that a small amount had leaked....
 
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Soooooo I decided to make another recipe mix which used a few flavors and seems somewhat complex but I followed the recipe and I just mixed it up. will see. I will vape some tomorrow night probably and see what it is like.

Then I decided to try to create something. an experiment for fun. I decided to try making a berry medley sour sweet gummy ice cream - yeah thats kind of a mouthful and maybe a bit weird well maybe a lot weird, but hey This is fun and I'm shooting from the hip on it for the hell of it... so I picked the flavors, set some percentages for each and got to mixing - probably around 10% total in flavor - I should probably try the flavors first as some could be way strong and need lower percentages but....I figured why not just have fun with it. but the kicker is a longer story, but the short of it is the scale may or should I say probably messed me up, but I will see what happens. If it works, cool, if not. well I'm not sure it may still be vapeable. I'll probably try some of it tomorrow night. I'll either love it, hate it, or find its ok. or I'll need to throw some more flavor in there and see what happens or put it in a bigger bottle and dilute it with some more pg and vg... lol. I have no idea what I am doing, well I have some idea, but I'm still a noob. I'm nervous about what it will be like and yet I'm excited. Worst case is it'll remind of those beanboozled jelly beans. and I will have to name it as such...

Now I think I will def need to get a scale that doesn't shut off on me in the middle of adding drops lol. the little jewelry one I got runs on AAA batteries and works for the most part but doesn't work. May have to bite the bullet and get a real decent scale. probably should have in the first place.

And I'll need to buy some small 15ml bottles to use for experimenting. make up some single flavors of each at 10ml and then I can try them and get a feel for how they taste. That is probably what I should do. before I go experimenting again.
 

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Now I think I will def need to get a scale that doesn't shut off on me in the middle of adding drops lol. the little jewelry one I got runs on AAA batteries and works for the most part but doesn't work. May have to bite the bullet and get a real decent scale. probably should have in the first place.

Yep, that can be super-annoying. The scale I have can run on batteries or AC, and has an automatic shutoff when running on batteries. I always run it on AC ;). A lot of people are partial to the LB-501 (what I use,) which Amazon sells for a little over $20.00. There are some other scales out there that look perfectly adequate that are half that though.

And I'll need to buy some small 15ml bottles to use for experimenting. make up some single flavors of each at 10ml and then I can try them and get a feel for how they taste. That is probably what I should do. before I go experimenting again.

Yeah, I actually have a bunch of little 5ml bottles that I use for making _very_ small testers. I like to make single-flavor tests, but there are some flavors you really don't want to vape as single-flavors beyond what's necessary to test them at different concentrations, etc. So the smaller the batch, the better, with those.
 
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Taste it and then please tell me about its taste :p
Ok. So tasting it.

I'll tell you this.

1. Sweet tasting
2. Definitely a gummy flavor
3. Hints of vanilla bean ice cream giving it a bit of a creamy feel and smoothing it out
4. Fruity. It's got blackberry, raspberry and strawberry. They all kind of blend into some nice berry flavor.
5. Slight sourness.

Overall not bad really will vape this more and I think the vanilla bean ice cream will come out more with a few days or more of steeping.

I may pop the cap and let it breath for several hours.

But it's not bad at least. Definitely tastes a lot like it smells.

If I could say what it overall kinda tastes like, a bit of the sour patch kind of tropical ones but not harsh. Trying different wattage to see what it does for the flavors.

Vaping on a .4 ohm dual coil stainless 26 gauge right now.



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If you do something like this, Document It.

Because if it does have a Positive Effect, you are going to want to be able to Replicate It next time.
Yes i took some notes. If it has a positive effect I will for sure document it and if it has a negative effect. I will as well.

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Yes i took some notes. If it has a positive effect I will for sure document it and if it has a negative effect. I will as well.

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BTW - If you do this Recipe again, do it in Two 30ml Bottles.

Then do the Cap Off thing on one of them. And on the Other, leave it on for the full "Steeping" time.

If they Don't taste Any Different, which they Might Not, then you will Not have to do the Extra Step of Taking the Cap Off.
 
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You are doing well for just starting. The only thing I would suggest is to check off the steps as you do them, I once skipped a step and had my nic wrong. And organize each mix with one side being "to add" and one side "added already".


Good to know. Definitely getting more of the sour vibe after going through about 2 to 3ml of it.

I kinda like it. Cant wait to see how it progresses. if it goes well, I'll try the recipe again. wanting to see if the vanilla bean ice cream I added comes through more as it steeps.
 
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So some thoughts on my concoction.

Definitely getting the sour as I vape it. Liking that. enjoy sour things
The fruits, blackberry, raspberry, and strawberry are adding some fruityness to it, not over the top and a bit more subtle. The gummy candy seems to be fairly stronger and with the sour it definitely adds an interesting layer to it. The vanilla bean ice cream is subtle, and I'm sure will come through more with steeping.

If I make another batch. I have a feeling I should up the strawberry a bit, lower the gummy candy and slightly lower the sour. and maybe up the vanilla bean ice cream...

will let it steep for a few days and give it another try next week.

Thanks for the great info in here I'll give some updates as I progress.

Would I say this is a good vape that I made. no. is it bad. no. Its interesting, and its definitely vapeable, but not ADV quality. But its fun, and I am enjoying it.
 

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So valued it all day yesterday. It's really only ok. Vape able and had moments where flavor is decent. Other times is weird.

Definitely sour which I like. But sometimes flavor gets lost so to speak.

Fun experiment and I will finish the bottle but may try to enhance it. I'll document any changes.

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So valued it all day yesterday. It's really only ok. Vape able and had moments where flavor is decent. Other times is weird.

Definitely sour which I like. But sometimes flavor gets lost so to speak.

Fun experiment and I will finish the bottle but may try to enhance it. I'll document any changes.

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Sounds like you are off to a Good Start.

IMO, the chances of Hitting one out of the Part on your First Mix decrease the more Flavors that are used. So getting a OK Vape is a Win.
 
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